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« Reply #150 on: January 11, 2012, 03:42:57 PM »
 stick to the science here and leave the jesus stuff out...
You ignorant moron obviously never opened history books. Real scientists are faithful individuals. Our modern societies are collapsing and a bad use of science is made because God has been abandonned you clown. God reveals good things to some chosen humans because they are faithful, but the bad use made of what these people discover is not their fault, it's because of evil men.
Science never went so far in the benefit of all mankind but when discoverers were still believers. The best , most contributing scientists in the history of mankind are faithful. Educate yourself and stop making a fool of yourself.
Science cannot be separated from faith.

Everything that pretends to be science but is not deeply motivated by faith is not science.

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« Reply #151 on: January 11, 2012, 03:45:07 PM »
people suffer of traumas caused by caregivers who betrayed their trust when they were very fragile, young. They dont understand most of the time why people who were suposed to love them after giving birth to them, betrayed em, harmed them psychologycally, physically, sexually. They spend the rest of their life wondering why they ve been hurt when they were innocent, and had no power to stop their aggressors. Most of the time they reproduce what happend to them subconsciously which worsens even more their suffering. Nobody cares, nobody is going to take the time to try to understand what s going on, especially nowadays in our societies where families are blown up from the inside because God, Fathers, have been abandonned, ans as a result the family and society itself is collapsing. When you cant even trust your own parents, grandparents, bortherhood, when you ve been hurt by them, you cant trust others outside of the family later. It's a vicious circle, and this is the origin of "mental illnesses". A lack of love, a lack of understanding, being powerless, not listened to by anyone, because we abandonned God and significant relationships with first our family members, and then with others in general. All these consequences are cumulative.

People who are on drugs need drugs because they cant find someone to listen to them, because they re hopeless, broken inside, and they re constantly meeting people who are broken inside and who keep hurting each others again and again. This is our societies nowadays.

This is the result of abandonning God. It is still possible to find God, when all other worthless humans only care about themselves and when your own caregivers attempted to destroy you reproducing most of the time what their own parents did to them. It's a chain reaction just like everything else. But you have to understand the real roots, origins of the problems, and not focus on their consequences, or you ll never stop the problem at its origin. It's the origin that has to be fought, and the origin of all human sufferings is the abandonning of God.


On a side note, science without faith is not science. It is power driven destruction as it has been proven several times in human history. Real science, real revelations from God to some chosen humans is suposed to be used positively for the benefit of all of God's creatures.

u raise a good point but i think if you take your comments to their logical conclusion it isn't the father or the lack of social support but gods fault. I mean he knew what he was doing when he created us, he created disease or the potential for it via logical extension if he created everything. Thus, the goal in medicine is always to find the causative agent or etiology, in all cases it appears its gods fault, so we should find a way to stop this fucker from making more sick fucks for me to treat. That bitch has given me more referrals then all the doctors i know combined, people say big pharma is evil, shit look at jesus dude must giggle when someone says congenital, they should call it jesus induced sickness.


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« Reply #152 on: January 11, 2012, 03:45:51 PM »
You ignorant moron obviously never opened history books. Real scientists are faithful individuals. Our modern societies are collapsing and a bad use of science is made because God has been abandonned you clown. God reveals good things to some chosen humans because they are faithful, but the bad use made of what these people discover is not their fault, it's because of evil men.
Science never went so far in the benefit of all mankind but when discoverers were still believers. The best , most contributing scientists in the history of mankind are faithful. Educate yourself and stop making a fool of yourself.
Science cannot be separated from faith.

Everything that pretends to be science but is not deeply motivated by faith is not science.


you write to much to troll well.

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« Reply #153 on: January 11, 2012, 03:46:00 PM »
ya ive heard of everything you are saying they are common arguments brought against a great scope of medicine. What is unscientific about reverse engineering again? it was the catalyst for discovering what the different monoamines do. Hey this drug helps anxiety, how does it do that, well according to this in vitro study they bind (benzos) to the bzd receptors on the Gaba complex increasing cl- influx hyperpolarizing the cells making the threshold for action potentials difficult to elicit. Bam reverse engineering gives us insight into what may be going on, more objective measures have taken its place but pretty much all medicine was done like this. Something works, why does it work, how does it work and so forth, thats science at its core, observation/testing repeat, thats it.

lolol

If you can't perceive how reverse engineering is unscientific then you really need to crack the books and start reading about how the scientific method works dude...

A theory is supposed to be formulated and its results are supposed to be reproduced by ANYONE, ANYWHERE in the world, under the exact same conditions.

Not the same as Prozac might work in some patients, but not in others, well then let's add Zoloft to the second group, see what happens.


well i was referring to chronic illness and i mentioned the difference between extrinsic versus organic issues so im justified logically in my example.

Panic attacks are physiological, how couldnt they be ALL THAT EXISTS IS PHYSIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS. the mind is a process not a thing, it is like migration in geese, geese are said to migrate yet migration isn't tangible, has no value and is a product of physical things (ie birds flying in a direction) the mind is the same thing. It is simply the processes of neuronal firing in particular areas nothing more.

polypharmacy is a product of poor drug usage and effect size, it exists in all branches of medicine. Lets stay with asthma or atopy. These people take corticosteriods (inhaled usually) and use beta agonists (long or short) to prevent attacks or to halt an attack. Thats two drugs already, however this sometimes does not control the inflammation and a leukotriene inhibitor like monteleukast is added. Then these people often suffer from allergies  and dermatological things like allergic dermatitis, this can lead to h1 antagonists, topical steriods etc..

You're going in circles bro...

Of course the mind arises from natural processes, my point was (have you been reading what I wrote, at all?) that the current models for those processes are flawed and thusly they produce flawed treatments.

this happens because our drugs aren't good enough yet, doctors are incompetant and patients wont do anything to help themselves. Its a perfect analogy to mental health, you say drugs dont cure anything in psychiatry without the person going to therapy, exercising etc the same is true for asthma and allergy sufferers. Medications dont cure anything then are palliative by nature.

That was closer to my points, however you're ignoring the role pharmaceutical industries play in all this, and especially their relationship with academic psychiatry... in any case, you're starting to generalise again... very worrying.

by the way the study was of unpublished studies mixed with published, look at the methodology and the fact that some trials were fucked up its no wonder they show little effect. Im not a fan of them either but they are usually safe (serotonin syndrome is the only really serious side, well suicide too lol) and have ample evidence to show they work.

The conclusions from the FDA study are valid. The trial studies which showed that Seroxat works were also flawed and those which showed that the drug SIGNIFICANTLY raised suicide risks in teenagers were NOT released.

However, the drug was approved for use in treatment.

When kids started killing themselves and people started having severe problems from quitting the drug, evidence started coming to light.

The drug was still not withdrawn... Painkillers that were shown to cause heart attacks were withdrawn... but why those SSRI's weren't? (some homework for you, mate)

SSRIS work... lolol another generalisation... there also exists ample evidence that shows they fuck people up

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« Reply #154 on: January 11, 2012, 03:48:03 PM »
It did help by the way,your post that is. I realize im wasting my time arguing with you as your not interested in reaching a conclusion just reiterating your point.

You're not wasting your time (don't pussy out  :P)

If I wasn't interesting in hearing you out bro, I would have started trolling you, instead. Notice that I haven't attacked you personally... only your points. That should tell you something.

I'm happy we had this discussion, alas I have to go, early start tomorrow.

Hit a PR on the deadlift today, need to sleep and grow, I'm sure you understand

Always glad to find an intelligent GetBigger ;)

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« Reply #155 on: January 11, 2012, 03:52:50 PM »
Drug addicts, of all sorts, are the result of a weak mind imo.
a weak mind results of abuses, loss of faith, confidence, because they were badly raised, educated, and loved.

You can cure all illnesses with love. But to be able to understand love, you have to have Faith in God, who is life itself.

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« Reply #156 on: January 11, 2012, 03:53:50 PM »
people suffer of traumas caused by caregivers who betrayed their trust when they were very fragile, young. They dont understand most of the time why people who were suposed to love them after giving birth to them, betrayed em, harmed them psychologycally, physically, sexually. They spend the rest of their life wondering why they ve been hurt when they were innocent, and had no power to stop their aggressors. Most of the time they reproduce what happend to them subconsciously which worsens even more their suffering. Nobody cares, nobody is going to take the time to try to understand what s going on, especially nowadays in our societies where families are blown up from the inside because God, Fathers, have been abandonned, ans as a result the family and society itself is collapsing. When you cant even trust your own parents, grandparents, bortherhood, when you ve been hurt by them, you cant trust others outside of the family later. It's a vicious circle, and this is the origin of "mental illnesses". A lack of love, a lack of understanding, being powerless, not listened to by anyone, because we abandonned God and significant relationships with first our family members, and then with others in general. All these consequences are cumulative.

People who are on drugs need drugs because they cant find someone to listen to them, because they re hopeless, broken inside, and they re constantly meeting people who are broken inside and who keep hurting each others again and again. This is our societies nowadays.

This is the result of abandonning God. It is still possible to find God, when all other worthless humans only care about themselves and when your own caregivers attempted to destroy you reproducing most of the time what their own parents did to them. It's a chain reaction just like everything else. But you have to understand the real roots, origins of the problems, and not focus on their consequences, or you ll never stop the problem at its origin. It's the origin that has to be fought, and the origin of all human sufferings is the abandonning of God.

People attempt to find a meaning to their existences in sex, money, material goods, bad addictions -do not confuse good addictions with bad addictions as everything is addiction in itself- because they abandonned God and msotly reproducing what their own parents were doing. Parents who believe in God teach their sons and aughter sto believe in God. Atheists think they are God themselves, or that their addictions are their gods. They need more and more bad addictions, more and more drugs, because they abandonned God, and it doesnt even work, they re even more desperate. Because they re not looking where they should be looking.

On a side note, science without faith is not science. It is power driven destruction as it has been proven several times in human history. Real science, real revelations from God to some chosen humans is suposed to be used positively for the benefit of all of God's creatures.

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« Reply #157 on: January 11, 2012, 03:54:34 PM »
Thank God uberkunt came in to save the thread with his logic!!

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« Reply #158 on: January 11, 2012, 04:36:37 PM »
So what the hell happened op??

you still alive  :-\
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« Reply #159 on: January 11, 2012, 04:38:33 PM »
u raise a good point but i think if you take your comments to their logical conclusion it isn't the father or the lack of social support but gods fault. I mean he knew what he was doing when he created us, he created disease or the potential for it via logical extension if he created everything. Thus, the goal in medicine is always to find the causative agent or etiology, in all cases it appears its gods fault, so we should find a way to stop this fucker from making more sick fucks for me to treat. That bitch has given me more referrals then all the doctors i know combined, people say big pharma is evil, shit look at jesus dude must giggle when someone says congenital, they should call it jesus induced sickness.


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« Reply #160 on: January 11, 2012, 04:54:13 PM »
a weak mind results of abuses, loss of faith, confidence, because they were badly raised, educated, and loved.

You can cure all illnesses with love. But to be able to understand love, you have to have Faith in God, who is life itself.

I believe that.

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« Reply #161 on: January 11, 2012, 05:29:36 PM »
Remind me never to try to debate with Necrosis

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« Reply #162 on: January 11, 2012, 05:31:37 PM »
Uberman, pray we never meet cause if we do, I have every intention on fucking your world up in the name of Jesus.

I rebuke you in the name of Jesus, white devil.
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« Reply #163 on: January 11, 2012, 05:33:37 PM »
Uberman, pray we never meet cause if we do, I have every intention on fucking your world up in the name of Jesus.

I rebuke you in the name of Jesus, white devil.
im all for you here, id pay money to see you bash this motherfuckers head in.

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« Reply #164 on: January 11, 2012, 05:36:01 PM »
im all for you here, id pay money to see you bash this motherfuckers head in.
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« Reply #165 on: January 11, 2012, 05:38:34 PM »
I'll ensure he won't be able to type again without the use prosthetic limbs.
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« Reply #166 on: January 11, 2012, 05:39:07 PM »
I'll ensure he won't be able to type again with prosthetic limbs.
LOL  ;D

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« Reply #167 on: January 11, 2012, 05:40:04 PM »
 :'(


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« Reply #168 on: January 11, 2012, 05:40:19 PM »
It is true that meds have been a godsend for many people, keeping them from being institutionalized as they might have been in times past. However, for loads of people these same drugs are merely a crutch they use instead of learning to cope with life. Almost everyone experiences anxiety at some point in their lives. Some people just deal with it. There probably isn't a person on this earth who hasn't been depressed at some point in time. Occasional depression is normal, especially when there is reason for it. Not everyone who is depressed needs meds to counter these feelings.

It seems more common today for folks to look for quick fixes by using drugs....legal or otherwise. When one is ill, it takes time to heal. Not everyone needs these drugs to get better. 

I am not going into all the bullshit I have gone through in my life and the horribe things I have witnessed. there is a reason I get prescribed xanax if it makes the quality of your life better I dont see a reason not to take it. there are alot of people who have not had a third of the stress I have gone through and they get xanax. anyway I wouldn't get them prescribed unless I needed them! dr.s around here hate prescribing xanax! they know its extremely addictive and once you start you are pretty much going to be on them for life. their is no tapering down from 8mg a day and feeling ok. not going to happen. and as far as the pain meds go they judge that on a MRI(magnetic resonance imaging) and mine showed 6 herniated discs! plus a frac ture/crack in my T12. No way I could live without pain killers. I am on a contract with those they make me take UA's and can call me in for pill counts. I have been off pills after the wreck and it was awful i couldn't workout! on the pills I can live a normal life and workout do all the same shit I did before I got hit by the drunk. are these drugs going to take a few years off my life. probably a few but that dosn't bother me.

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« Reply #169 on: January 11, 2012, 05:41:02 PM »
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« Reply #170 on: January 11, 2012, 05:42:29 PM »
:'(


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« Reply #171 on: January 11, 2012, 05:44:28 PM »
The guy from Sherlock Holmes? Dredger?
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« Reply #172 on: January 11, 2012, 05:47:42 PM »
yes im unaware of any anti-psychotic being used for depression as a first line treatment if so the doctor should be fired as permenant movement disorders can occur like tardive dyskinesia

when you add apiprazole (abilify) to an sri it changes the pharmacology greatly, i assume you are on a low dose also, which actually shows some properties of a stimulant.
In my case, an ANTI-PHYSCOTIC wasnt the FIRST LINE OF TREATMENT.........Ive been on medications for almost 7 years. I just recently started taking an anti-physcotic two months ago for the very first time ever, because i have PHYSCOSIS. Like i said, I also have MAJOR DEPRESSION, which is EXTREME DEPRESSION, and ive noticed that My anti-physcotic ALSO works very well for my major depressive moods.

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« Reply #173 on: January 11, 2012, 05:50:57 PM »
In my case, an ANTI-PHYSCOTIC wasnt the FIRST LINE OF TREATMENT.........Ive been on medications for almost 7 years. I just recently started taking an anti-physcotic two months ago for the very first time ever, because i have PHYSCOSIS. Like i said, I also have MAJOR DEPRESSION, which is EXTREME DEPRESSION, and ive noticed that My anti-physcotic ALSO works very well for my major depressive moods.
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« Reply #174 on: January 11, 2012, 05:54:01 PM »
people suffer of traumas caused by caregivers who betrayed their trust when they were very fragile, young. They dont understand most of the time why people who were suposed to love them after giving birth to them, betrayed em, harmed them psychologycally, physically, sexually. They spend the rest of their life wondering why they ve been hurt when they were innocent, and had no power to stop their aggressors. Most of the time they reproduce what happend to them subconsciously which worsens even more their suffering. Nobody cares, nobody is going to take the time to try to understand what s going on, especially nowadays in our societies where families are blown up from the inside because God, Fathers, have been abandonned, ans as a result the family and society itself is collapsing. When you cant even trust your own parents, grandparents, bortherhood, when you ve been hurt by them, you cant trust others outside of the family later. It's a vicious circle, and this is the origin of "mental illnesses". A lack of love, a lack of understanding, being powerless, not listened to by anyone, because we abandonned God and significant relationships with first our family members, and then with others in general. All these consequences are cumulative.

People who are on drugs need drugs because they cant find someone to listen to them, because they re hopeless, broken inside, and they re constantly meeting people who are broken inside and who keep hurting each others again and again. This is our societies nowadays.

This is the result of abandonning God. It is still possible to find God, when all other worthless humans only care about themselves and when your own caregivers attempted to destroy you reproducing most of the time what their own parents did to them. It's a chain reaction just like everything else. But you have to understand the real roots, origins of the problems, and not focus on their consequences, or you ll never stop the problem at its origin. It's the origin that has to be fought, and the origin of all human sufferings is the abandonning of God.

People attempt to find a meaning to their existences in sex, money, material goods, bad addictions -do not confuse good addictions with bad addictions as everything is addiction in itself- because they abandonned God and msotly reproducing what their own parents were doing. Parents who believe in God teach their sons and aughter sto believe in God. Atheists think they are God themselves, or that their addictions are their gods. They need more and more bad addictions, more and more drugs, because they abandonned God, and it doesnt even work, they re even more desperate. Because they re not looking where they should be looking.

On a side note, science without faith is not science. It is power driven destruction as it has been proven several times in human history. Real science, real revelations from God to some chosen humans is suposed to be used positively for the benefit of all of God's creatures.
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