Chris Cormier Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser

[Mussolini]

I bought weed and X from him, does that count?

sure you did.

[bigbobs]

My simple argument which you can't seem to comprehend is , Nasser would lose to guys like Chris & Mike not because they have better backs , because................. ........................ .. they would simply win more mandatory poses and it's not just the back , it's from the back. Nasser was two different bodybuilders from the front & back

I've explained this to you numerous times , you keep missing the point , it's poses that win contests and Mike and Chris would beat Nasser because they would win more poses , Nasser is competitive from the front , no so much from the sides and he offers nothing from the back. Nasser would win a couple lose most , that's how it works.

Wrong YOU think Nasser would lose more mandatories.  That's why I challenged you to pick a year where Levrone lost to Nasser (for example Mr. Olympia 96, 97, or 98) and do the same breakdown of mandatories, using your flawed logic you woudl get the same result that nasser loses more mandatories therefore he must lose - but in actuality he placed higher in those shows, despite YOUR breakdown of mandatories.

[kyomu]

Tamali looks quite good there.

[Sherief Shalaby]

My simple argument which you can't seem to comprehend is , Nasser would lose to guys like Chris & Mike not because they have better backs , because................. ........................ .. they would simply win more mandatory poses and it's not just the back , it's from the back. Nasser was two different bodybuilders from the front & back

I've explained this to you numerous times , you keep missing the point , it's poses that win contests and Mike and Chris would beat Nasser because they would win more poses , Nasser is competitive from the front , no so much from the sides and he offers nothing from the back. Nasser would win a couple lose most , that's how it works.

 

[Sherief Shalaby]

nasser was very good from the side and those who say he was not are just trying to increase his weak points by any mean!!.. because nasser at his best had less weak points that most of the other top pros..

it's illogical to think/believe for example that his chest looks thick, hard, and, full from the front but the same chest looks flat and small from the side!!!.. same can be said about all parts.. if you look at him from the side his quads were always better than all his competitors including dorian.. same with his huge shoulders..

the only weak point about nasser from the side imo is his execution of the side chest pose.. not saying he was hitting it wrong all the time but i believe he could hit it better..

[bigbobs]

Thanks for providing VISUAL PROOF as always Sheiref!  I never understood the "Nasser is weak from the side" argument either, seems to have just been fabricated by Dorian fans who try to look for reasons to argue that Dorian's wins were all fair.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Wrong YOU think Nasser would lose more mandatories.  That's why I challenged you to pick a year where Levrone lost to Nasser (for example Mr. Olympia 96, 97, or 98) and do the same breakdown of mandatories, using your flawed logic you woudl get the same result that nasser loses more mandatories therefore he must lose - but in actuality he placed higher in those shows, despite YOUR breakdown of mandatories.

Again entertaining your nonsense why could Nasser never beat Dorian? ( spare me the politics excuses ) be beat guys with better backs and according to you he has every other muscle bigger and better than Dorian , why did he never once beat him?

Why did Nasser beat Kevin in those years? he was on and Kevin was off. when Kevin was on and Nasser was on Kevin would beat him like at the 1995 Mr Olympia

[NarcissisticDeity]

backfire  

Like I said he can beat guys from the front in some poses , from the side he's not the same force and from the back he sucks

Nasser does NOT know how to pose , his side chest could be better because of the way he does it where he keeps his arm low and doesn't expand his rib-cage and pull back the pecs , his side triceps is the same , he's stands up to straight and doesn't bend his leg enough he looks odd in the shot

Thanks for showing Chris smokes him  

Now check out his side chest ( don't concentrate on the year just the way he does the shot ) Vince is smoking him with a textbook side chest shot , I think if Nasser did the pose correctly he would look much better

Same with the side triceps shot look at how he does it , it's as if he's just standing straight , Dorian is killing him in this shot because he's better and he knows how to pose.

[BILL ANVIL]

man, Vince is taking Nasser to school with that side chest shot 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Thanks for providing VISUAL PROOF as always Sheiref!  I never understood the "Nasser is weak from the side" argument either, seems to have just been fabricated by Dorian fans who try to look for reasons to argue that Dorian's wins were all fair.

See above 

Nasser can stand with almost any pro in the front double biceps , most muscular and ab-thigh , he looks good in the standing relaxed from the front , from the sides he is NOT the same force ,he can't pose correctly and he's not as imposing from the sides , in front poses he looks huge from the side he doesn't from the back 

And there you go again , with the excuses why Nasser couldn't win  if Dorian's wins weren't fair then neither were Nasser's , you can't have it both ways. You make an excuses for everything and if entertaining what you say is true Nasser would have been a clear winner and he really wasn't despite your claims to the contrary

[bigbobs]

Again entertaining your nonsense why could Nasser never beat Dorian? ( spare me the politics excuses ) be beat guys with better backs and according to you he has every other muscle bigger and better than Dorian , why did he never once beat him?

Yes I do believe politics played a huge part there but will put that aside since that's a different topic altogether, however I will point out that it's strange that you're now comparing Dorian to Cormier and Francois?  

Why did Nasser beat Kevin in those years? he was on and Kevin was off. when Kevin was on and Nasser was on Kevin would beat him like at the 1995 Mr Olympia

As I guessed you would, you avoided doing your breakdown of mandatory poses of Nasser vs. Levrone in the years Levrone lost because you know that will prove my point

[bigbobs]

backfire  

Like I said he can beat guys from the front in some poses , from the side he's not the same force and from the back he sucks

Nasser does NOT know how to pose , his side chest could be better because of the way he does it where he keeps his arm low and doesn't expand his rib-cage and pull back the pecs , his side triceps is the same , he's stands up to straight and doesn't bend his leg enough he looks odd in the shot

Thanks for showing Chris smokes him  

Now check out his side chest ( don't concentrate on the year just the way he does the shot ) Vince is smoking him with a textbook side chest shot , I think if Nasser did the pose correctly he would look much better

Same with the side triceps shot look at how he does it , it's as if he's just standing straight , Dorian is killing him in this shot because he's better and he knows how to pose.

bahahaha so you're using a 94 Nasser vs. Dillet (when Nasser was much smaller) to suggest that Nasser is weaker than Cormier from the side?? again shows you're ridiculous biases

And not sure what your second pic from 96 Nasser vs. Ray and Dorian is supposed to prove.  He looks totally fine up there.  Ray is not even flexible enough to do the pose right.

[bigbobs]

See above 

Nasser can stand with almost any pro in the front double biceps , most muscular and ab-thigh , he looks good in the standing relaxed from the front , from the sides he is NOT the same force ,he can't pose correctly and he's not as imposing from the sides , in front poses he looks huge from the side he doesn't from the back 

And there you go again , with the excuses why Nasser couldn't win  if Dorian's wins weren't fair then neither were Nasser's , you can't have it both ways. You make an excuses for everything and if entertaining what you say is true Nasser would have been a clear winner and he really wasn't despite your claims to the contrary

I can entertain that his side poses were not quite as strong as his front but by no means are they weak and by no means does he lose on the side shots to someone like Cormier or Francois - which was the original topic of discusion (well Cormier was at least the topic of discussion).

[bigbobs]

Nasser can stand with almost any pro in the front double biceps , most muscular and ab-thigh , he looks good in the standing relaxed from the front

Correction actually he could practically beat anyone in the front double biceps, most muscular and ab thigh pose (not just "he can stand with almost any pro"...)

[BILL ANVIL]

Correction actually he could practically beat anyone in the front double biceps, most muscular and ab thigh pose (not just "he can stand with almost any pro"...)

Actually, not only does he beat most other pros in the FDB, he destroys them. Same with the ab thigh..

[bigbobs]

Actually, not only does he beat most other pros in the FDB, he destroys them. Same with the ab thigh..

True, and ND knows this, he's just a bit biased.  Actually I think he naturally does not have much of a bias but when debating myself, Sherief, etc. he exaggerates the opposite opinion more so than he truely believes.

[NarcissisticDeity]

nasser was very good from the side and those who say he was not are just trying to increase his weak points by any mean!!.. because nasser at his best had less weak points that most of the other top pros..

it's illogical to think/believe for example that his chest looks thick, hard, and, full from the front but the same chest looks flat and small from the side!!!.. same can be said about all parts.. if you look at him from the side his quads were always better than all his competitors including dorian.. same with his huge shoulders..

the only weak point about nasser from the side imo is his execution of the side chest pose.. not saying he was hitting it wrong all the time but i believe he could hit it better..

More to consider than what you like on Nasser , again recall all rounds are physique rounds and all poses are judged the same way , so while you can look at a pose and say this and this is better on Nasser , you can not forget the rest of the criteria ( which you often overlook once you see what you like better )

Recall posing AND presentation is also being judged ( along with everything else ) as you can plainly see Nasser doesn't correctly do the side chest , or the side triceps in which he stands up to vertically and doesn't bend his leg forward enough ( see above pics ) his front latspread he concentrates on flexing his abs , he wasn't a great poser never was

 Shawn like Arnold went to ballet classes to learn how to move he was a very good poser and posed to his physique style , Nasser was like Dorian and had a big physique so obviously he's not pose like Shawn or Flex but he never really learned to pose as effectively as he could , Dorian knew how to pose effectively

[BILL ANVIL]

True, and ND knows this, he's just a bit biased.  Actually I think he naturally does not have much of a bias but when debating myself, Sherief, etc. he exaggerates the opposite opinion more so than he truely believes.

Hes not biased against Nasser, he's biased against you!

[bigbobs]

Hes not biased against Nasser, he's biased against you!

lol but he takes it out by posting obviously-biased posts against Nasser.  Sometimes when i call him out on it he admits he does it to rile us up which again proves my point.

[NarcissisticDeity]

True, and ND knows this, he's just a bit biased.  Actually I think he naturally does not have much of a bias but when debating myself, Sherief, etc. he exaggerates the opposite opinion more so than he truely believes.

Oh please I give Nasser credit where it's due , you people think way to highly of him and don't like hearing anything to the contrary

His front double biceps is a very good shot for him , as is the standing relaxed and most muscular and ab-thigh , all the other poses he's is NOT the same force it's just a fact , the guy is Mr Olympia from the front and a nationals level competitor from the back and a good pro from the sides

[Immortal_Technique]

I like Cormier, but Nasser at his best would probably beat Cormier at his best, simply because he was 10 times harder from the front and a bunch bigger. Cormier never came in dry and ripped, although everyone can see he's got the structure to kill Nasser. From the back Cormier wins, but tons of guys beat Nasser from the back and still lost on stage.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hes not biased against Nasser, he's biased against you!

Just biased at him thinking Nasser was something more than what he was 

The Shawn Ray fanboys don't like when I tell them the facts either 

[bigbobs]

More to consider than what you like on Nasser , again recall all rounds are physique rounds and all poses are judged the same way , so while you can look at a pose and say this and this is better on Nasser , you can not forget the rest of the criteria ( which you often overlook once you see what you like better )

Recall posing AND presentation is also being judged ( along with everything else ) as you can plainly see Nasser doesn't correctly do the side chest , or the side triceps in which he stands up to vertically and doesn't bend his leg forward enough ( see above pics ) his front latspread he concentrates on flexing his abs , he wasn't a great poser never was

 Shawn like Arnold went to ballet classes to learn how to move he was a very good poser and posed to his physique style , Nasser was like Dorian and had a big physique so obviously he's not pose like Shawn or Flex but he never really learned to pose as effectively as he could , Dorian knew how to pose effectively

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe there's any black and white "correct" way to do certain poses?  For example nowdays practically no one does the side-chest in the form they used to do in the 70's, even in the 90's few did.  

Also I don't believe there even is a posing round anymore which effects the overall score in pro shows? (a move which makes sensesince why should ones posing preferences dictate a decision of whose physique is better)

[bigbobs]

I like Cormier, but Nasser at his best would probably beat Cormier at his best, simply because he was 10 times harder from the front and a bunch bigger. Cormier never came in dry and ripped, although everyone can see he's got the structure to kill Nasser. From the back Cormier wins, but tons of guys beat Nasser from the back and still lost on stage.

Exactly!  This is why I keep saying that it's a weak argument to say that 99 Cormier woudl beat any version of Nasser simply because he'd win the back-mandatory poses.  Same for 95 AC Francois.  Yet ND and some others keep using that flawed argument.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol but he takes it out by posting obviously-biased posts against Nasser.  Sometimes when i call him out on it he admits he does it to rile us up which again proves my point.

I've been pretty consistent about Nasser and his strengths and weaknesses , he gets credit where it's due and criticism where it's due .

The thing with you guys is you think he's much more than what he was and he's really not , facts & history confirm this and when you guys don't like them you toss them out.