dumbell pullovers effective mass builder?

[NoCalBbEr]

I throught that the dip was the upper body squat. i most be mistaken. 

[JPM]

I believe Art Jones started calling the pullover the upper body squat, probably in the early 70's. One of the reasons he designed his pullover machine was to increase the potentional of that exercise. With the point of resistence on the  the elbows, it was taking advantage of better leverage. With Jones's designed cam on his machines, the strength curve was brought into better action throughout the exercise. After you finished a set of pullovers you did a set of close grip lat pulldowns. The lat bar was positioned above and in front of you on that machine. You could get very strong on any of Jones's machines but it did not transfer over when going back to regular BB/DB training. But you could get more muscular gains. In my view the BB/DB is the most effective tool (so far) for gaining functional strength and muscle size for the average person.

When adding the BP with a set of pullovers (pullover & press) you have a winning combination for upper body mass, in my view. Dip's (weighted) are also a outstanding upper body mass builder. Though  using 400+ in the BP since I was 19 I have always gotten better results (development/functional strength) with weighted dips as have a lot of my Bud's. Good Luck.

[Overload]

I throught that the dip was the upper body squat. i most be mistaken. 

Art Jones called pullovers the upper body squat.

Mike Mentzer called dips the upper body squat.


guess what, they are both right in my opinion.

 

[Luv2Hurt]

Luv em feel a great pump in the lats, light weight (55lb) just get a good stretch and feel your lats.  They hit the Serratus well.

[pumpster]

Under-rated; actually one of the best lat & serratus developers. Usually promoted as primarily for the rib-cage but there's more to it.

There are several "upper-body squats":
pushups, chins, pullovers, dips.

[Smokey MacPot]

dumbell pullovers are an effective mass builder if you do them heavy. If you don't then your mainly trying to bring in detail in the serratus muscles. You need heavy weight to put pressure on the rib cage when your lowering the weight. That will expand the rib cage

[pumpster]

Gravity means that only half reps should be done. As alternatives, try some of the following:

-Decline dumbbell pullovers-almost full ROM.
-Pullovers using a low or mid-height pulley and a rope attachment or similar.
-Bent-over standing pullovers using a high pulley.

[mem]

Well boys based on this thread...I did
(modest weight) DB pullovers today.
(they bother my left elbow at times)

They felt GREAT - fabulous s t r e t c h.
I will make note of how I feel in a couple days.

I think that dips ARE the *upperbody squats*