Evolution is a big lie

[Necrosis]

Of course there is. Ever heard of a thing called infinite series? From high school you know that:

0.333... = 3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + ... = 3/10 * (1 + 1/10 + 1/100 + ...) = 3/10 * ( 1/(1-1/10)) = 3/10 * 10/9 =  3/9 = 1/3.

Infinite series exist and can be defined from group theory axioms just like real numbers. In fact one of possible constructions of real numbers from rational numbers is that real number is in fact Cauchy sequence and we call two numbers "equal" if there exist e greater than 0 so that there exist some point of the sequences after which difference of every corresponding elements of both sequences is less than e.

So saying "0.9999... is never 1, it doesn't get there" is ignorance towards:

 - what real numbers really is (you don't grasp it obviously becouse you don't know formal shit behind it)
 - what infinite series are
 - what math is really about.

Food for thought:

Every computer program is a finite sequence of finite set of characters. So without any problem we can number every sequence of characters, right? So it means there is as much computer programs as natural numbers coz there is bijections between these two. Correct?

There are way more real numbers than natural numbers. So there are numbers for which we cannot construct computer program that writes them in decimal form. If we cannot do that, it means there are numbers which we simply cannot write in decimal form. Nice shit, innit? So tbombz, can we say that those numbers exist or not? Moreover, if we take natural numbers from real numbers there are still fuckloads of real numbers left, so in fact MOST of numbers cannot be written. Makes you rethink your intuition about them really pal.

if you actually know math could you elaborate in laymens terms godels incompleteness theorem and and conjecture upon reality it might have based on your opinion? would be appreciated.

[deceiver]

if you actually know math could you elaborate in laymens terms godels incompleteness theorem and and conjecture upon reality it might have based on your opinion? would be appreciated.

I don't like mixing philosophy with math. Goedels theorem had major influence on math and computer science and is on the contrary to common intuition. One of most "real-world" implications is that there are statements which may be true for us but can't be derived from axioms, so they can't be verified. It means that building ideal artificial intelligence may be complicated and is currently impossible. It also raises questions of philosophical nature about how our brain works, at least for me.

I'm studying theoretical computer science, currently pursuing Bsc degree.

[tbombz]

Of course there is. Ever heard of a thing called infinite series? From high school you know that:

0.333... = 3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + ... = 3/10 * (1 + 1/10 + 1/100 + ...) = 3/10 * ( 1/(1-1/10)) = 3/10 * 10/9 =  3/9 = 1/3.

Infinite series exist and can be defined from group theory axioms just like real numbers. In fact one of possible constructions of real numbers from rational numbers is that real number is in fact Cauchy sequence and we call two numbers "equal" if there exist e greater than 0 so that there exist some point of the sequences after which difference of every corresponding elements of both sequences is less than e.

So saying "0.9999... is never 1, it doesn't get there" is ignorance towards:

 - what real numbers really is (you don't grasp it obviously becouse you don't know formal shit behind it)
 - what infinite series are
 - what math is really about.

Food for thought:

Every computer program is a finite sequence of finite set of characters. So without any problem we can number every sequence of characters, right? So it means there is as much computer programs as natural numbers coz there is bijections between these two. Correct?

There are way more real numbers than natural numbers. So there are numbers for which we cannot construct computer program that writes them in decimal form. If we cannot do that, it means there are numbers which we simply cannot write in decimal form. Nice shit, innit? So tbombz, can we say that those numbers exist or not? Moreover, if we take natural numbers from real numbers there are still fuckloads of real numbers left, so in fact MOST of numbers cannot be written. Makes you rethink your intuition about them really pal.

lmao


dude


your just like physicists who say "time began at the big bang so asking what happened before it is meaningless"


remove your head from the pile of sand please


infinite means NEVER ENDING, which means .3 repeating NEVER ENDS which means THERE IS NO FINITE VALUE


infinites dont exist


and if you wish to prove it, please, show me an example of an infinite.        



even if infinite series do exist, which they dont, .3333 repeating would be equal to .9999 repeating, and thats not equal to 1; hence 1 can not be divided by 3.

[tbombz]

God is realy sorry about the mix up, she will get back to you with an answer some millinium  now
mean while she is wondering why America was so attracted to the Darwinian model in money matters but not in the way she might have set up the world

the world is set up in a dog eat dog manner, you dont work you die. god would have set up something different than capitolism? seems god set up the most extreme for of libertarian-anarchism you cold possibly imagine.

[AbrahamG]

When I go to the gym and I train my muscles, they get bigger to adapt to the weight, the human body is very good at adapting to his environment to survive we call this adaptation, not evolution, if evolution was real how come over the past 1,000 year we have not seen the monkeys evolving into humans like we did whats holding them back. evolution is a scam and only suckers believe it.

At best, your intellectually dishonest.  In reality though, your fucking retarded.

[deceiver]

lmao


dude


your just like physicists who say "time began at the big bang so asking what happened before it is meaningless"


remove your head from the pile of sand please


infinite means NEVER ENDING, which means .3 repeating NEVER ENDS which means THERE IS NO FINITE VALUE


infinites dont exist


and if you wish to prove it, please, show me an example of an infinite.        



even if infinite series do exist, which they dont, .3333 repeating would be equal to .9999 repeating, and thats not equal to 1; hence 1 can not be divided by 3.

As I said read about group theory and come back. I really want you guys to learn something here, I'm not bashing anyone. It's pointless, it's like laughing at my nerd friends that I outsquat them. Difference is, my geek friends don't try to teach my how to lift and they ackowledge my superiority in that materia.

[B_B_C]

remove your head from the pile of sand please

and if you wish to prove it, please, show me an example of an infinite.        

the amount of times posters  claim to have been with other posters mammies?
the amount of effort some posters to convinvce others that they are indeed straight
the amount of interest everybody else has in both the above efforts ...
...
but there would be no end to other examples

[sync pulse]

the one thing i know nothing about is math ( i think i have a good general knowledge, probably not though) but i envy you, i just can't study math like physics or medicine for fun or to gain knowledge its to boring and difficult to be honest to do on your own.

is it a hobby or did you go to school?

check out a video series called "The Mechanical Universe"...

[tbombz]

As I said read about group theory and come back. I really want you guys to learn something here, I'm not bashing anyone. It's pointless, it's like laughing at my nerd friends that I outsquat them. Difference is, my geek friends don't try to teach my how to lift and they ackowledge my superiority in that materia.

.33333333... doesnt exist.

 even if it didnt, .33333333... X 3 would equal .99999999...

.9999999... is not 1. it never will be.

this is all fact. sorry you cant understand.

check out a video series called "The Mechanical Universe"...

[A Professional]

.33333333... doesnt exist.

 even if it didnt, .33333333... X 3 would equal .99999999...

.9999999... is not 1. it never will be.

this is all fact. sorry you cant understand.

 

Lol Credit where credit is due!

[Necrosis]

.33333333... doesnt exist.

 even if it didnt, .33333333... X 3 would equal .99999999...

.9999999... is not 1. it never will be.

this is all fact. sorry you cant understand.

 

infinites exist in math but are assumed not to exist in reality, its a concept. Claiming facts dont exist is odd, its a literal stance that if taken seriously (you dont) one could never truly understand something, because there are no facts.

for example you accept the fact that you exist, the axiom. Without it then you can say nothing about this world, but you do, you insist facts dont exist, thats a positive statment, one that requires you to accept axioms, or accepted truths, or facts.

its all philosophical mumbo jumbo, what a brain can understand versus scientific techonology and math is terrible. Trying to understand reality with only the tools you were born with is like deaf people trying to hear without hearing aids. Your perceptual tools are useless, your reasoning even more so. The universe appears to behave in a rational way but at its core it appears it does not.

[tbombz]

infinites exist in math but are assumed not to exist in reality, its a concept. Claiming facts dont exist is odd, its a literal stance that if taken seriously (you dont) one could never truly understand something, because there are no facts.

for example you accept the fact that you exist, the axiom. Without it then you can say nothing about this world, but you do, you insist facts dont exist, thats a positive statment, one that requires you to accept axioms, or accepted truths, or facts.

its all philosophical mumbo jumbo, what a brain can understand versus scientific techonology and math is terrible. Trying to understand reality with only the tools you were born with is like deaf people trying to hear without hearing aids. Your perceptual tools are useless, your reasoning even more so. The universe appears to behave in a rational way but at its core it appears it does not.

when i said facts dont exist i was talking about our ability to derive absolute truth -  that induction and thus deduction can not provide as with such


.33333333...----->>

it never ends

and therefor it is an impossibility

because no matter how many 3's you put on the end of it, you still have to add an infinite amount more.


dont accept something as truth simply because experts tell you its so.



even if .333--->> was possible

and you multiplied it by 3

it would equal .9999----->>>  

and thats not 1


    

[Necrosis]

when i said facts dont exist i was talking about our ability to derive absolute truth -  that induction and thus deduction can not provide as with such


.33333333...----->>

it never ends

and therefor it is an impossibility

because no matter how many 3's you put on the end of it, you still have to add an infinite amount more.


dont accept something as truth simply because experts tell you its so.



even if .333--->> was possible

and you multiplied it by 3

it would equal .9999----->>>  

and thats not 1


    

its an abstract concept

[tbombz]

fair enough.

like a four sided triangle.


      

[Primemuscle]

fair enough.

like a four sided triangle.


      

Life is abstract. This is what makes it so interesting and why we can't sometimes figure it out.

[deceiver]

fair enough.

like a four sided triangle.


     

no, abstract doesn't mean inconsistent with axioms/definitions. learn about axioms please.

what schools did you finish? you seem highly uneducated.

[tbombz]

no, abstract doesn't mean inconsistent with axioms/definitions. learn about axioms please.

what schools did you finish? you seem highly uneducated.

i was making a point, not defining the term abstact.  infinite is impossible, an theoretically speaking .3 to infinite multplied by 3 would be .9 to infinite, not 1.

my earlier point, the fact, remains = 1 can not be divided by 3.

[IrishMuscle84]

Evolution is a big lie..........replace the word EVOLUTION with RELIGION.

[Growth NOOB]

Evolution is a big lie..........replace the word EVOLUTION with RELIGION.

That's actually a valid point.



If you are a shit eating red neck moron.

[Bad Boy Dazza]

Evolution is a scientific theory.  Religion is a spiritual belief.  Love it or hate it, that's that.

[IrishMuscle84]

Religion is man-made brainwashing garbage. Catholicism, christianity........" Worldly Religions ". You might say that " Christianity " is not a religion but a one on one relationship with GOD, Ok........nothing wrong with that. I myself believe in GOD, but why are there Christian " Churches ". All that money going to Build all these " Million dollar " churches can go too people who truly need financial " blessings ". TRUE FAITH/BELIEF come from within the mind/heart-Where GOD is.... NOT from sitting in a million dollar building.

[Growth NOOB]

Religion is man-made brainwashing garbage. Catholicism, christianity........" Worldly Religions ". You might say that " Christianity " is not a religion but a one on one relationship with GOD, Ok........nothing wrong with that. I myself believe in GOD, but why are there Christian " Churches ". All that money going to Build all these " Million dollar " churches can go too people who truly need financial " blessings ". TRUE FAITH/BELIEF come from within the mind/heart-Where GOD is.... NOT from sitting in a million dollar building.

What does that have to do with evolution?

[IrishMuscle84]

What does that have to do with evolution?

I was simply responding too Badboydazza comment " Religion is a spiritual belief ".

[deceiver]

i was making a point, not defining the term abstact.  infinite is impossible, an theoretically speaking .3 to infinite multplied by 3 would be .9 to infinite, not 1.

my earlier point, the fact, remains = 1 can not be divided by 3.

in decimal form 1/3 = 0.(3). for example in system where we put 3 as a base 1/3 would equal to 0.1

decimal system is just one way of writing same number mate. if you were right then no fraction would exist becouse for every fraction there is a system (maybe different from decimal) where it would be an infinite sum

for example in binary system every fraction which cannot be written as 1/2^k is an infinite sum. in ternary system mentioned before it's similar, but now it's 1/3^k. so every fraction is an infinite sum in one of those systems.

[tbombz]

of course 1/3 exists.... yes in real life you can cut an object into 3 equal pieces.... just as easily as you can cut it into 2 or 4 or 8 or however many pieces. 

i thought it was rather obvious we were discussing the possibility of deriving an accurate representation of the fraction 1/3 in decimals.