Corroborating evidence
let's see what other competitors who faced off against Dorian and Ronnie had to say
Shawn Ray – Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
Francis Benfatto – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
Corroborating evidence
Wrong popular opinion
and lets put it into context to boot.
Shawn Ray – Flex, Janurary 2003
"Most formidable competitor: Ronnie Coleman is in a class by himself. I honestly believe that Ronnie Coleman is unbeatable unless he beats himself. "
This has what to do with Dorian?
this was Shawn commenting on Ronnie in 2003 and to add insult to injury he's flat out wrong , because Ronnie was beaten multiple times during his reign and Dorian never was
And Shawn said Ronnie didn't deserve to win 1998 , that he was most improved and they should have an award for that but the Olympia title wasn't it , I'm sure you agree with Shawn here too?
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
He technically is the ' biggest , hardest , most shredded Mr Olympia in history ' this has nothing to do with Dorian. Flex has an opinion and again trying to use him as a reference is funny because he's also the same guy who said Ronnie didn't win the 99 Olympia and he did
Oh wait he also had Ronnie in first place after the prejudging in 2007 , Flex opinion is what it is
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Once again this is in reference to his dominate win at the 2003 Mr Olympia , it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates. No one since has lived up to the dominating standard that Dorian set in the 1990s , recall Ronnie was beat multiple times during his reign , Dorian never was.
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Now at least this is on the subject. His opinion and nothing wrong it , doesn't mean it's true. Just like it doesn't mean it's true when Lee Priest said Dorian would beat Ronnie , or Ernie Taylor , or Yates' training partner Leroy.
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage
See above , in top shape Ronnie is one of the best that ever stepped on stage
Nasser El Sonbaty – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"Without any doubt I feel the best Mr. Olympia winner ever is Ronnie Coleman. If you take a look at Coleman in his prime, compared to any one of the other Mr. Olympia winners in theirs, you could say that Ronnie had more size and hardness and greater longevity.
Also, the very strong and great Ronnie made the most improvements of all bodybuilders while in the amateur ranks and he established, with his very impressive physique, his absolute hegemony and domination in bodybuilding.
Ronnie did not act arrogant or confrontational with anyone and he was patient as a man and as an athlete. Ronnie was the right man at the right time, but also he was, independent of this, in his prime, simply the best bodybuilder ever. I do not see anyone like Ronnie Coleman showing up on a bodybuilding stage, not even for several decades."
See above , his opinion and he's entitled to it. but I can say two things , he was still bitter at Dorian for beating him and this is the same guy who claims he never injected synthol
Francis Benfatto – http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/greatest-olympia-winner-of-all-time.htm
"In my opinion the best Mr. Olympia winner of all time was Ronnie Coleman, especially when Ronnie was in top condition shape, dry and shredded. At that time, Ronnie even managed to combine aesthetics and size; he then personified the best total package to win the Mr. Olympia.
The physique of Ronnie was a composite of full muscle bellies, distinctive separation, density and definition, all in perfect proportion and with symmetry - his small waist and narrow bones made him appear even bigger than he really was."
See above , his opinion and he's entitled to it.
So what you have here is a few quotes that address the subject of Dorian and Ronnie , some that don't. NOT converging evidence that's popular opinion. and to say Ronnie is better because it's more popular isn't proof of anything , other than it being a popular assertion.
But you have always been fond of fallacious arguments
Again we have people who absolutely do NOT feel Ronnie is the best of all-time ( again their opinion and entitled to it ) it may not be as popular but that doesn't change the fact. ( or make it right or wrong )
[ Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.
[ A ] I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are talking about right now are blindAgain just because you have more people saying Ronnie is the greatest of all time ,doesn't make it a fact ( see argument ad populum )
Another counter point.
Vic Richards on Romano & Palumbo radio show 2010.
" To say Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder is an insult , he doesn't even come in the top 12 "
Again doesn't make it right but to claim that because your opinion is more popular it is , is 5th grade argument material.
How about Arnold Schwarzenegger who said outright Flex Wheeler is the greatest physique he's ever seen?
How about all the Flex magazine polls that claim Arnold Schwarzenegger is the greatest of all-time? you wanna use popular opinion? or a bodybuilding.com poll to this day still has Arnold number one over Ronnie by a hefty margin , in fact almost twice the votes.
So to recap Neo , you do NOT have any ' converging evidence ' what you do have is a popular opinion and nothing else. congrats on not proving your point.
2/10 sorry Neo you'll need to do better next time.