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Re: Oh God and Jesus , YOU GUYS are just too funny!
« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2012, 03:19:28 AM »

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« Reply #101 on: January 20, 2012, 03:24:31 AM »
Gödel's theorem doesn't imply that all of arithmetics cannot be proven, just that some/ many problems cannot be proven.

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« Reply #102 on: January 20, 2012, 11:25:28 AM »
Well, not to nitpick, but you cannot obtain peace in your life as I described without a faith in God...if you don't believe in God then how can you? That's not to say you can't have some form of peace, but it's not the same and it's not something I know how to describe to someone who doesn't believe in God.

As for Christianity, as that's the only religious belief I can speak on with any merit as it's the one I follow, I agree, there's some messed up stuff. There are tons of people who give it a bad name; unfortunately, they're the ones most people remember. If you are a Christian, in reality, not merely in words, not the arrogance you're referring to, then you don't speak for God, that's already been stated. God's intent for the world is for man to live a fruitful and productive life, but most importantly to know him, specifically, to seek him out. That's the basic gist of the whole thing, and that's not man speaking for God, that's what God says according to the Christian faith which is according to his words. Of course, I understand if you don't believe in God then you don't believe those are God's words, they can't be if you don't believe in him. In that case, it creates an impossible argument between two people like you and I. I don't see a need to get all up in arms about it.

I receive no piece of mind by willingly believing delusions, how could i?

this peace you talk about is availible to everyone, i have it more then you id imagine because i believe im in control of my life, that my actions will dictate what happens to me and that i must make this life special because its the only one i get. I think knowing this is the only chance at existence makes life so much more wonderous then believing this place is shit compared to where ill end up.

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« Reply #103 on: January 20, 2012, 02:02:20 PM »
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« Reply #104 on: January 20, 2012, 02:21:20 PM »
quote author=lovemonkey link=topic=410599.msg5877830#msg5877830 date=1327056083]
This only further reveals your ignorance. Even the most basic arithmetic can not be 100% proven. Ever heard of Kurt Gödel? This has so far not had any practical implications but in theory we can't even prove the most basic mathematics.
[/quote] if there are four rocks there are four rocks. ive been talking about the impossibility of certain truth based on the inherent flaws in induction for the past two years on this site broham. the fact remains, IF THERE ARE 4 ROCKS THERE ARE 4 ROCKS.

I receive no piece of mind by willingly believing delusions, how could i?

this peace you talk about is availible to everyone, i have it more then you id imagine because i believe im in control of my life, that my actions will dictate what happens to me and that i must make this life special because its the only one i get. I think knowing this is the only chance at existence makes life so much more wonderous then believing this place is shit compared to where ill end up.
that is exactly what true faith is..  i think you just have a misconception of what faith can be based on what the most vocal of 'believers' express it as

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« Reply #105 on: January 20, 2012, 02:32:55 PM »
How can you Not believe this?  ;D

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« Reply #106 on: January 20, 2012, 02:38:39 PM »
How can you Not believe this?  ;D


Heh.

The very definition of Strawmandering, but not bad.


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« Reply #107 on: January 20, 2012, 02:55:31 PM »
hahahahahha.....oh fuck, one of the reason I love getbig is for threads like these.......you know how it starts, but you never know how it will ends...... ;D

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« Reply #108 on: January 20, 2012, 02:58:00 PM »
if there are four rocks there are four rocks. ive been talking about the impossibility of certain truth based on the inherent flaws in induction for the past two years on this site broham. the fact remains, IF THERE ARE 4 ROCKS THERE ARE 4 ROCKS.

and if particles have no mass, they can not exist!! it's simple physics, bro  ;)





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« Reply #109 on: January 20, 2012, 03:14:51 PM »
The classic solipsistic argument. You are right in that there is no "objective" truth, nor "objective" reality that is accessible to us.

However, the rocks are convergently available to us through vision, somatosensation, hearing (if clanked together), smell (yes!), and even taste. Other people will agree with you 100% about the existence of the rocks and most of the properties of the rocks.

Further, the rocks can be measured and examined by way of apparatus such as weights, imaging through magnetism and radiation, etc. Finally, the rocks can be manipulated in different ways and the way the rocks behave can be described formally through chemistry, physics, mechanics etc.

The point is, the rocks behave as predicted, formally described, and do so in ways that intersubjectively is consistent.

Most modern scientist describe themselves as "moderate realists". By this they agree with you that the world is not accessible by other means than our sensory and cognitive systems, but that we can describe the world in ways that reliably capture some of its properties, tranceding our subjective opinions.

This is quite different from religion. In religion the question is not whether there are 4 rocks. There are hundreds of religions. The don't agree whether there IS a god, what the properties of "god" is, how many gods there are, what gods rules are (if there are rules). Basically, religion is chaos, social manipulation of the stupid and needy, and opinion where there are no facts. Religion is fantasy.

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Interesting post.  Science and religion are not different in the way you describe, though.  Modern day religions are just outdated sciences, though ones concerned mostly with morals and not physics, biology and the like.  The fact that Christianity is most commonly attacked on these grounds (ie the natural sciences) is a joke... as if this were what is really important.  What's really important is the way Christianity has set the rules of right and wrong in our world for over a millennium.

In a thousand years, people will probably look back at some of our most fervently defended scientific theories and laugh.  During Aristotle's lifetime, I'm sure plenty of people laughed at the simple minded religious nuts while, in all seriousness, proclaiming the heart was "scientifically proven" to be the center of the "soul."  They saw that blood vessels flowed from the heart to every part of the body, and concluded that these vessels transmitted "animal spirits" which governed one's behavior.  Because the brain didn't react to touch, Aristotle concluded it was a lump of earth and water, used for cooling the body.  Neither he, nor anyone else at the time, could see nerves, so this is what they believed.  Who's to say our observations aren't similarly hampered and incomplete?

Then again, maybe the theories won't be much different even ten thousand years from now.  Even so, there's no guarantee the rules of the game won't change suddenly, without warning, for no apparent reason at any time and require a total re-evaluation of all our scientific knowledge.  Imagine if tomorrow we woke up and the sun didn't rise, people floated through the air, and we suddenly had a sixth sense unlike anything we'd previously known... sure it's not likely, but for all we know, it's not impossible (since our conception of what is possible is based on inductive reasoning), and an event like this would make even our most cherished scientific "truths" appear as no more than religious babble to a future audience entertaining anyone stupid enough to repeat them.

Also, religion isn't "social manipulation of the stupid and needy," it's social manipulation BY the stupid and needy.  This is a huge misconception.  Religions like Christianity are gangs of likeminded people who wage war against the rest of the world, a war of values, of right and wrong.  They aren't being manipulated like little sheep, they are manipulating THE REST OF US, by setting the rules of right and wrong, and enforcing them through sheer numbers.  Even people who claim they are atheists on account of history, biology, or physics quibbles still behave like Christians for the most part, because they have the same values.

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« Reply #110 on: January 20, 2012, 04:45:09 PM »
Hahaha great find Adonis!!

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« Reply #112 on: January 20, 2012, 05:03:19 PM »
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« Reply #113 on: January 20, 2012, 05:07:00 PM »
How can you Not believe this?  ;D

Good shit Adam!  LOL  ;D

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« Reply #114 on: January 20, 2012, 05:37:13 PM »
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« Reply #115 on: January 20, 2012, 05:41:42 PM »
and if particles have no mass, they can not exist!! it's simple physics, bro  ;)





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bro, photons do have mass, just not "rest mass".. because they dont rest  :)  sorry you have trouble thinking on your own

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« Reply #118 on: January 20, 2012, 07:47:01 PM »
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« Reply #119 on: January 20, 2012, 08:16:58 PM »
Wow that's hilarious  ::)
















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« Reply #120 on: January 20, 2012, 09:03:45 PM »
Drugs. Speed. Meth.

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« Reply #121 on: January 20, 2012, 09:24:34 PM »
if god does exist, if this earth really is a testing/development ground for new souls, then it would make sense that god would "kill" (bring into his kingdom) a person whenever they are fully mature and ready to be brought in. a young girl tweting such a thing may have been because she ad finally reached a crtain maturity, empathy, and honesty thatshe was rady for god to take her.

you really dont think things through much ta.


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« Reply #122 on: January 20, 2012, 09:27:33 PM »
There's a story in the bible (can't remember where it is off-hand) where some people die in a disaster, and a bunch of people come before Jesus and ask him why he's not really upset about it. They ask him if this isn't tragic or not, why horrible things like this happen, etc. His response (and I'm paraphrasing) was that the real tragedy is when anyone dies and they are separated from God for eternity...you know, as in they didn't make it to heaven, they went to the bad place, as in literal hell. Of course, when one dies and is not separated from God this is a cause for celebration. His overall point, this life is short and fleeting, what happens or doesn't happen is of very little consequence, how long or short the life may be does not outweigh the condition of ones soul when it comes to eternity.

Of course, if someone doesn't believe in God then the above is meaningless to them. I feel sorry for these people, not pity but sorry they're missing out on the true peace life can bring when you recognize how insignificant your life is in the eyes of eternity and how much more there is than your own miniscule existence and the cost of ignoring such things. In my opinion, there is nothing on this earth more arrogant than a denial in God's existence.



In my opinion you're fucking crazy and no about of baseball bats to your head would ever help. You might as well tattoo on your forehead that 'this mind is close for business'. But you know what, I do have faith in people. Perhaps one day something would tweak in your head in you'd come to realize that you had little choice in how things turned out for you. You're a christian PURELY because of location of birth and a sufficient amount of indoctrination and perhaps an IQ score in the slight sub 100 regions .. and an unwillingness to question anything about religion. People that just accept without question are little robots you can program to believe anything. If their god had a chariot made of condoms and bathed in spunk every night, they'd believe it as long as it was written in the bible. Christianity is a young religion with its roots solidly based in Paganism. Christianity is an update for the modern world and will be updated again for the future morons, far into the future.

I always laugh when I think about it. Two naked people around a magic tree with magic fruit and a talking snake. I wonder if Eve fucked Cain or Able?



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« Reply #123 on: January 20, 2012, 11:01:05 PM »
gayer than hanging a picture of a blonde haired, blue eyed jesus on the wall and believing thats what he looked like.

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« Reply #124 on: January 20, 2012, 11:05:26 PM »
its not tragic..she went to heaven
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