Why is slin even needed?

[Oly15]

Why is this even used today? Sure it gives bbers an extra boost and can make a difference, but why not just increase the GH even more to get to the size needed? Let's say a bber is at 260 offseason weight and wants to get to 280, why not just take more GH instead of insulin? Insulin is the culprit of all the ugly distended abdomens in todays competitors and I don't think its worth getting 10-20 extra pounds while sacrificing your small waist.

In the golden ages, none of those bbers had access to slin much less gh, and YET! Many of todays bodybuilders actually look smaller and shittier due to the decreased shoulder to waist ratio. The guys from the 70's and maybe 80's seemed to be able to achieve so much more with far less drugs to pick from.

Thoughts?

[Morsprincipium]

You'll be stuck at a certain size w/o slin...trust me.  In order to push past the barrier of "freaky" to super-freak you have to use it.  You can get huge off just HGH and AAS, but the bottom line is that you cannot push past a certain size without it.

[Oly15]

You'll be stuck at a certain size w/o slin...trust me.  In order to push past the barrier of "freaky" to super-freak you have to use it.  You can get huge off just HGH and AAS, but the bottom line is that you cannot push past a certain size without it.

Not even if you push the GH up to 40-45 iu ED?

[Morsprincipium]

Not even if you push the GH up to 40-45 iu ED?

I don't even know if Jay Cutler could afford 40IU's/day.

I live very very frugally...make decent money too.  Still kills me financially to run 20IU's of Omni's a day.

Even then...can't imagine trying to handle the sides at that high of doses, or if it would even produce good returns for what you're investing into it.  I have a feeling you'd have more growth in your hands and feet than actual muscle growth  


Ultimately, if you want to be a professional slin is needed for the jump.  If you want to be mr gym, GH and AAS is all you need

[Schmoe Buster]

I don't even know if Jay Cutler could afford 40IU's/day.

I live very very frugally...make decent money too.  Still kills me financially to run 20IU's of Omni's a day.

Even then...can't imagine trying to handle the sides at that high of doses, or if it would even produce good returns for what you're investing into it.  I have a feeling you'd have more growth in your hands and feet than actual muscle growth  


Ultimately, if you want to be a professional slin is needed for the jump.  If you want to be mr gym, GH and AAS is all you need

Can you recommend an insulin protocol and what type of insulin do you think is most effective?

[qbkilla]

would like to hear protocols too,,,,im thinking the pros do not take 5-10 iu before workout as that is what a gymrat takes and probably doesn't do jack shit in the big scheme of things.  im thinking the big guys abuse slin,,,prolly with every meal,,,,maybe a good 20 iu pre-workout at the lowest,,,,,,with a meal 1 hour before hand you might be able to get by on 80g carbs with tha 20iu,,,just training and no cardio,,,,maybe 40-50,,,if you hit he solid carbs right after training

[tbombz]

I don't even know if Jay Cutler could afford 40IU's/day.

I live very very frugally...make decent money too.  Still kills me financially to run 20IU's of Omni's a day.

Even then...can't imagine trying to handle the sides at that high of doses, or if it would even produce good returns for what you're investing into it.  I have a feeling you'd have more growth in your hands and feet than actual muscle growth  


Ultimately, if you want to be a professional slin is needed for the jump.  If you want to be mr gym, GH and AAS is all you need

there are plenty of people who can afford 40iu per day.. besides, a large amount of guys sell gear at double the cost to local gym rats so they get to use as much as they want for free

[Morsprincipium]

Can you recommend an insulin protocol and what type of insulin do you think is most effective?

IMO Humalog fits my purposes just fine...some guys like humalin b/c it fits their schedule better.  It really doesn't matter as long as you plan the half life accordingly. Lantus is nice as well, doesn't peak as hard so risk for going hypo is less.

I shoot 8IU's of log before each meal (6 meals daily), although I wouldn't recommend this for a beginner.


What type of compounds will you be taking with the insulin?

[Schmoe Buster]

IMO Humalog fits my purposes just fine...some guys like humalin b/c it fits their schedule better.  It really doesn't matter as long as you plan the half life accordingly. Lantus is nice as well, doesn't peak as hard so risk for going hypo is less.

I shoot 8IU's of log before each meal (6 meals daily), although I wouldn't recommend this for a beginner.


What type of compounds will you be taking with the insulin?

Well ive never done insulin but i was curious of how to use it

right now im taking Tren,EQ. Test Prop, Mast

would a shot of humalog post work out be good for a beginner?

[pillowtalk]

there are plenty of people who can afford 40iu GH per day (although I have not named a single one in this post  ).. besides, a large amount of guys like me sell gear at double the cost to local gym rats so they get to use as much as they want for free

FIXED for FACTS ^^^^

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[Overload]

would a shot of humalog post work out be good for a beginner?

5iu of Log post workout is a good place to start.

Then slowly ramp it up to 10iu.

Make sure you have a Glucometer and understand how many carbs you need and when.

A lot of guys these days are shooting Lin pre workout with great results.  That way you get the intra workout and post workout benefits.

[Schmoe Buster]

5iu of Log post workout is a good place to start.

Then slowly ramp it up to 10iu.

Make sure you have a Glucometer and understand how many carbs you need and when.

A lot of guys these days are shooting Lin pre workout with great results.  That way you get the intra workout and post workout benefits.

Thanks Overlord, would it be best to shoot 5iu GH with the 5iu Humalog post work out? or should they be taken separate?

[Overload]

Thanks Overlord, would it be best to shoot 5iu GH with the 5iu Humalog post work out? or should they be taken separate?

I have heard good things about both protocols.

From what i gather if you are looking for size gains off the GH, then shoot it all PWO with the Slin. I really don't think it matters if you mix them in the same pin or not. I was told by a MD a few years ago to never mix Slin with anything, but i cannot remember exactly why off the top of my head.

I only have one trial run with Slin under my belt and i made some very impressive gains on it.  I was shooting 2iu of GH in the morning and 2iu more PWO with a 10iu shot of Log.  I did this for about 2 months and gained about 12 pounds while getting leaner.

Most guys i know who are big into slin shoot around 30-40iu total every day and they say the magic happens when you use it pre workout.

Slin is a great drug as long as you respect it.

Good luck!

[Schmoe Buster]

I have heard good things about both protocols.

From what i gather if you are looking for size gains off the GH, then shoot it all PWO with the Slin. I really don't think it matters if you mix them in the same pin or not. I was told by a MD a few years ago to never mix Slin with anything, but i cannot remember exactly why off the top of my head.

I only have one trial run with Slin under my belt and i made some very impressive gains on it.  I was shooting 2iu of GH in the morning and 2iu more PWO with a 10iu shot of Log.  I did this for about 2 months and gained about 12 pounds while getting leaner.

Most guys i know who are big into slin shoot around 30-40iu total every day and they say the magic happens when you use it pre workout.

Slin is a great drug as long as you respect it.

Good luck!

Thanks, great info

One more question, should slin be cycled or can you run at as long as you want?

[matrixgh]

slin need to be shoot with a meal, so all the carbs you eat go to your muscle

[Oly15]

Why are all these guys producing huge distended guts from the slin if they are eating clean food? Wouldn't they have to be shoveling in fat with the slin? From my understanding, the guts are from visceral fat, not subcutaneous.

[vamped]

Why are all these guys producing huge distended guts from the slin if they are eating clean food? Wouldn't they have to be shoveling in fat with the slin? From my understanding, the guts are from visceral fat, not subcutaneous.

Try eating 6000 calories in a day and tell us if your gut got any bigger.

[Oly15]

The gut is not going to get fat and pregnant like these guys have now from eating 6000 calories a day. Their gut is big because it is fat. Not from stretching. So what I'm still wondering is why the insulin is causing them to become stomach whales.

[aesthetics]

I don't even know if Jay Cutler could afford 40IU's/day.

I live very very frugally...make decent money too.  Still kills me financially to run 20IU's of Omni's a day.

Even then...can't imagine trying to handle the sides at that high of doses, or if it would even produce good returns for what you're investing into it.  I have a feeling you'd have more growth in your hands and feet than actual muscle growth  


Ultimately, if you want to be a professional slin is needed for the jump.  If you want to be mr gym, GH and AAS is all you need

even 20iu a day is overkill and excessive. it will not do much in the way of building muscle but will still increase the size of someones hands and head by a good margin.

[aesthetics]

The gut is not going to get fat and pregnant like these guys have now from eating 6000 calories a day. Their gut is big because it is fat. Not from stretching. So what I'm still wondering is why the insulin is causing them to become stomach whales.

when someone uses 200iu of insulin a day, or more, they tend to overeat, by a lot. pros definitely eat more than 6000 calories a day but 6,000 is enough tol cause the gut if it's from high GI carbs, or if it's from food that causes a lot of intestinal bloating, either way it can happen depending on what someone eats.

[aesthetics]

5iu of Log post workout is a good place to start.

Then slowly ramp it up to 10iu.

Make sure you have a Glucometer and understand how many carbs you need and when.

A lot of guys these days are shooting Lin pre workout with great results.  That way you get the intra workout and post workout benefits.

i would start at 3iu pre workout. i really don't think it's possible to go hypo with the way most people eat when bulking. if they were lifting fasted, for some reason, it's possible but a large meal before lifting or a shake with carbs in it drank during the workout will prevent anyone from getting too light headed when using such a low amount of slin.

i don't think people need more than 5-10 iu at a time of slin, unless they are going for the pro type physique.

[Oly15]

even 20iu a day is overkill and excessive. it will not do much in the way of building muscle but will still increase the size of someones hands and head by a good margin.

Why do you think this? From what I've heard, that's not even that much on the pro level. And how do you know more GH won't build more muscle? 8 ius builds X amount. Bump it up to 16 and you get even more gains. So is there a point of diminishing returns after a certain amount do you think?

[aesthetics]

a lot of pros IV, which will make 10iu clear out of the system within a few hours. 20iu shot sub-q, like most people do, will last for well over a day in the body before it clears out. it will still cause changes in physique, the type of fullness in the muscles, and the bodyfat loss and extreme vascularity, but from the standpoint of anabolism it's going to be hitting a point of severe diminishing returns and not that effective.

[tbombz]

i would start at 3iu pre workout. i really don't think it's possible to go hypo with the way most people eat then bulking. if they were lifting fasted, for some reason, it's possible but a large meal before lifting or a shake with carbs in it drank during the workout will prevent anyone from getting too light headed when using such a low amount of slin.

i don't think people need more than 5-10 iu at a time of slin, unless they are going for the pro type physique.

i messed around with slin for a while. id agree with this. except long acting worked better for , way better.. and with that i needed at least 100iu to get the nice effects. but short acting, just a few iu seemed to give me full benefits. really just only looking fuller and getting more pumped though. the long acting seemed to actually help thicken me a bit.

[Oly15]

i messed around with slin for a while. id agree with this. except long acting worked better for , way better.. and with that i needed at least 100iu to get the nice effects. but short acting, just a few iu seemed to give me full benefits. really just only looking fuller and getting more pumped though. the long acting seemed to actually help thicken me a bit.

So when using the h-log you noticed you needed fewer iu's for the same effects? Did it keep you full all day or just for a little while?

And aesthetics, thanks for the input.