what the hell do unemployed college graduates do all day

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to all the insolent ones complaining...
they will ask you this question in every job interview, so you must have an answer.

Answer honestly:

why should i hire you and pay you 25k a year?

 

25k/yr lol, hope that's euros otherwise i 'd say: "you shouldn't - you should pay me 50k/yr."

then i whip out my dick and collect my salary in advance

[Voland]

25k/yr lol, hope that's euros otherwise i 'd say: "you shouldn't - you should pay me 50k/yr."

then i whip out my dick and collect my salary in advance

no dollars. Why should i pay you more if you have nothing going on? no experience, no nothing.

[aesthetics]

why would anyone who is a good worker take 25k/yr? you may not want to pay more than 25k/yr but no decent worker will take that salary.

plus if it's the person's first job that salary more of less dictates the salary for the rest of their life, if they are using it on future job applications. so there's even less incentive for people, either just out of college or non-college educated people with job experience.

[diamondcut]

i would take 25k/yr, even if my work conditions were 40-80hrs/wk and it was tough work and i was growing mentally as an individual and acquiring new skillsets, and acquiring contacts, meeting a myriad of people and growing my "portfolio."
but i would need assurance that i would be paid a hefty 6 figure income for a few years after that to make up the time lost

i wouldn't take 25k/yr if it was just flipping burgers, to me that is mental stagnation and i might as well sit at home all day and read and learn things on the internet, i'd be better off living on unemployment and growing myself as an individual through knowledge acquired from the internet


in hindsight i don't mind the whole 12 years in college + residency + entire youth being poor to become a doctor, but i was never great in academics because i felt it was too detached from modern applications and the real world. even in engineering i struggled as a student, not because of the lack of intellect but due to a lack of application and interest in something so theoretical and vague and nearly impractical to apply to real world situations

[diamondcut]

the difference in quality of life is not all that different with 45k and 60k. 60k may give you some more bragging rights or a qualification for a slightly larger house but in the end,

here is the numbers

60k/yr = 5000/month = 1250/wk = 31.25/hr
45k/yr = 3750/month = 937.50/wk = 23.40/hr

(assuming 40 hr workweeks)

does it make you feel better knowing that you earn 8 dollars more than another human being each hour? for most of you, would that huge 1250/month make a huge difference in the quality of your life? not really. maybe you will be able to afford some nicer furniture, or add a few more nights out each month (assuming you have a family to take out where it usually costs 150-200 for an activity + dinner), and gives you some more money to spend on your 401k. does it give you the comfort of living a lavish lifestyle with a bmw m5 and a 500k house and front row tickets to any game you wanted to attend? no... not really


i would take the 45k job if i learned more from it, had better job opportunity for growth, and made me a better human being

[aesthetics]

i would take 25k/yr, even if my work conditions were 40-80hrs/wk and it was tough work and i was growing mentally as an individual and acquiring new skillsets, and acquiring contacts, meeting a myriad of people and growing my "portfolio."
but i would need assurance that i would be paid a hefty 6 figure income for a few years after that to make up the time lost

i wouldn't take 25k/yr if it was just flipping burgers, to me that is mental stagnation and i might as well sit at home all day and read and learn things on the internet, i'd be better off living on unemployment and growing myself as an individual through knowledge acquired from the internet


in hindsight i don't mind the whole 12 years in college + residency + entire youth being poor to become a doctor, but i was never great in academics because i felt it was too detached from modern applications and the real world. even in engineering i struggled as a student, not because of the lack of intellect but due to a lack of application and interest in something so theoretical and vague and nearly impractical to apply to real world situations

well, right. that's the same idea behind going to college rather than working right out of highschool. you take a temporary setback for what is perceived as a greater gain in the future. though, those types of jobs you described are very, very rare. most jobs (unless you know someone) are deadend jobs and the possibility of moving up in the corporate ladder is based entirely on luck and/or politics. 

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well, right. that's the same idea behind going to college rather than working right out of highschool. you take a temporary setback for what is perceived as a greater gain in the future. though, those types of jobs you described are very, very rare. most jobs (unless you know someone) are deadend jobs and the possibility of moving up in the corporate ladder is based entirely on luck and/or politics. 

yeah, i think luck is the greatest factor of all. some people say hard work will get you places. my parents worked hard their entire life and they still struggle financially with no health insurance.


luck is what determines everything, our genetics for bodybuilding for example, lol

[aesthetics]

yeah, i think luck is the greatest factor of all. some people say hard work will get you places. my parents worked hard their entire life and they still struggle financially with no health insurance.


luck is what determines everything, our genetics for bodybuilding for example, lol

i agree. though, you can't win unless you play the game and so, like playing the lottery you can't win big unless you buy a ticket, it's just the odds are very very low.

[Voland]

why would anyone who is a good worker take 25k/yr? you may not want to pay more than 25k/yr but no decent worker will take that salary.

plus if it's the person's first job that salary more of less dictates the salary for the rest of their life, if they are using it on future job applications. so there's even less incentive for people, either just out of college or non-college educated people with job experience.

how is someone with no experience or proven skills a good worker?

[Voland]

i would take 25k/yr, even if my work conditions were 40-80hrs/wk and it was tough work and i was growing mentally as an individual and acquiring new skillsets, and acquiring contacts, meeting a myriad of people and growing my "portfolio."
but i would need assurance that i would be paid a hefty 6 figure income for a few years after that to make up the time lost

i wouldn't take 25k/yr if it was just flipping burgers, to me that is mental stagnation and i might as well sit at home all day and read and learn things on the internet, i'd be better off living on unemployment and growing myself as an individual through knowledge acquired from the internet


in hindsight i don't mind the whole 12 years in college + residency + entire youth being poor to become a doctor, but i was never great in academics because i felt it was too detached from modern applications and the real world. even in engineering i struggled as a student, not because of the lack of intellect but due to a lack of application and interest in something so theoretical and vague and nearly impractical to apply to real world situations

I can agree with that.

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how is someone with no experience or proven skills a good worker?

i don't think a diploma automatically makes someone a good worker, hell most of what it taught in college is completely irrelevant to what is done in the workplace. i know people who are very "book smart" but just overall clueless and make awful workers for anything but office drones.

[Voland]

well, right. that's the same idea behind going to college rather than working right out of highschool. you take a temporary setback for what is perceived as a greater gain in the future. though, those types of jobs you described are very, very rare. most jobs (unless you know someone) are deadend jobs and the possibility of moving up in the corporate ladder is based entirely on luck and/or politics. 

yes but those apply to everyone. And the only way to make acquaintances/friends that would help you in that is entering the job market. If you don't you'll never even have the option.

[Voland]

i don't think a diploma automatically makes someone a good worker, hell most of what it taught in college is completely irrelevant to what is done in the workplace. i know people who are very "book smart" but just overall clueless and make awful workers for anything but office drones.

personally i don't give a shit about degrees and all that stuff if i hire for my company a positive, efficient work attitude is all i'm after. I want someone intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart. One can meet those criteria with a degree or without.

[diamondcut]

i don't think a diploma automatically makes someone a good worker, hell most of what it taught in college is completely irrelevant to what is done in the workplace. i know people who are very "book smart" but just overall clueless and make awful workers for anything but office drones.

to be honest i would rather hire someone fresh out of high school who didn't attend college and instead worked many different jobs, because those people understand the value of money and hard work

to me liberal arts degrees are beyond worthless. not only does it show that you have very little understanding of the technical world, which is vital in today's economy, but it also shows that you wanted an easy time through college so you can have sex, drink alcohol, and party all night with your fraternity brothers and sisters and ditch class.

the only degrees i find viable are those who have studied engineering, something finance/economy related, or medical.

to me a degree in psychology with a subpar gpa and no internships and a lackluster interview, well, that person just spent 100 grand on a paperweight when they were better off working out of high school


/rant

[diamondcut]

personally i don't give a shit about degrees and all that stuff if i hire for my company a positive, efficient work attitude is all i'm after. I want someone intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart. One can meet those criteria with a degree or without.

i agree with you man. but you know what, you can't even tell by looking at a resume. i haven't had a lot of these interviews and i possess those qualities, which is something every company would desire i would think. it is impossible to know all of the things that people ask for technologically, like to program in java with 5+ years experience, but you know what, i will spend 40 hours on top of the 40 hours at work just to learn the damn java code and i'll be damn better at it than some washed out cushy laid off old engineer who has the experience but just wants a cushy 9-5 job so they can go home and watch dancing with the stars and americas got talent roflmao


and what is the deal with these engineering companies wanting high as hell gpas...ill tell you one thing, most of my friends who possess these qualities (intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart) in college never had great gpas...yet i believe they would make better engineers than the book worm 3.5's

i was denied a position at a major oil company because my gpa wasn't 3.0! yet i possessed a lot of technical experience and an excellent interview! it wasn't until they looked at my transcripts and my shitty sub-3.0 gpa that i was no longer eligible! WTFFF

//sighhh  ////rant...

[aesthetics]

personally i don't give a shit about degrees and all that stuff if i hire for my company a positive, efficient work attitude is all i'm after. I want someone intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart. One can meet those criteria with a degree or without.

true, i would say there are more people who are street smart without degrees being as they needed to rely more so on their skills to get their next meal rather than going through the motions of collegiate studies laid out in front of them.

still though, going to be hard to find someone who has very markable job skills to work for 25k/yr, at least for very long, even in this economy. that's a horrible salary.

[G_Thang]

i agree with you man. but you know what, you can't even tell by looking at a resume. i haven't had a lot of these interviews and i possess those qualities, which is something every company would desire i would think. it is impossible to know all of the things that people ask for technologically, like to program in java with 5+ years experience, but you know what, i will spend 40 hours on top of the 40 hours at work just to learn the damn java code and i'll be damn better at it than some washed out cushy laid off old engineer who has the experience but just wants a cushy 9-5 job so they can go home and watch dancing with the stars and americas got talent roflmao


and what is the deal with these engineering companies wanting high as hell gpas...ill tell you one thing, most of my friends who possess these qualities (intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart) in college never had great gpas...yet i believe they would make better engineers than the book worm 3.5's

i was denied a position at a major oil company because my gpa wasn't 3.0! yet i possessed a lot of technical experience and an excellent interview! it wasn't until they looked at my transcripts and my shitty sub-3.0 gpa that i was no longer eligible! WTFFF

//sighhh  ////rant...

i work with a lot of book worms (esp asians) in research who are clueless and can't adapt to shit, would hire a 2.2 in chemistry who worked two jobs to get thru school vs "mom and dad" paid for the 3.5.  there are a couple of universities who are cued-in on this, as far as admission standards.  

[MikMaq]

You sound lazy. The typical youth that will find a million excuse to every job to avoid working. I know your type.
"I have to move"
"it too far away"
"the hours don't suit me"
"its not my thing"
"i only get paid if i work"
"they pay too little"
"its too much work load"

lazy lazy lazy excuses

jut man up and admit you want to get paid just for attending an office and doing nothing for 4hours.

No it's not laziness if you got better option. You seem to think everyones a dumb pollack forced to run themselves into the ground.
There's a huge difference from doing nothing with your life, and not wanting to take on more than you need.

I work 30-40 hours a week at a gas bar, because it's easy on my health, and free from stress so I can focus on school. To say that's lazy is a bit much. I'm making rational choice something you seem unable to do.




 

personally i don't give a shit about degrees and all that stuff if i hire for my company a positive, efficient work attitude is all i'm after. I want someone intelligent, able to think, write properly, market savvy and street smart. One can meet those criteria with a degree or without.

Lol this is more of your nonsense. You want all of the things degree's are associated with. Your getting a far better deck of cards when you hire someone with a degree, that's pretty much a fact, not every card is perfect in either, but the degree deck is far better.

You've either never worked with people with and without educations, or you yourself are clueless. In pretty much every job, I've ever had intelligence/education, creates a divide in competency.


A simple example is me and a co worker were complaining about back problems. I have a genuine issue, with lifting below my knees, the kid I was working with was just a lazy shit. Anyhow, it'd be obvious to anyone that understands economics, gettings a guy 6 4 with back problems to reach below his feet is fucking ignorant, but whatever.

[reppingfor20]

You sound lazy. The typical youth that will find a million excuse to every job to avoid working. I know your type.
"I have to move"
"it too far away"
"the hours don't suit me"
"its not my thing"
"i only get paid if i work"
"they pay too little"
"its too much work load"

lazy lazy lazy excuses

jut man up and admit you want to get paid just for attending an office and doing nothing for 4hours.

Sounds like a salesman to me   Selling lies and scamming people into working for them for a few weeks until the person working for them realizes the screw job they are getting put down on them, then you get all the clients the worker got while he was working for you, it works out great for you the person taking advantage of people, not so much for the person being taken advantage of.

[reppingfor20]

25k/yr lol, hope that's euros otherwise i 'd say: "you shouldn't - you should pay me 50k/yr."

then i whip out my dick and collect my salary in advance

x2, Voland doesn't understand the interviewee is also interviewing the company as well to see if they want to work for them, it works both ways.

[reppingfor20]

to be honest i would rather hire someone fresh out of high school who didn't attend college and instead worked many different jobs, because those people understand the value of money and hard work

to me liberal arts degrees are beyond worthless. not only does it show that you have very little understanding of the technical world, which is vital in today's economy, but it also shows that you wanted an easy time through college so you can have sex, drink alcohol, and party all night with your fraternity brothers and sisters and ditch class.

the only degrees i find viable are those who have studied engineering, something finance/economy related, or medical.

to me a degree in psychology with a subpar gpa and no internships and a lackluster interview, well, that person just spent 100 grand on a paperweight when they were better off working out of high school


/rant

you don't seem to understand that a good well rounded population is the key to success in the long run, you do not want too many engineer's too many computer programmer's, you want a even balance,  Beethoven wouldn't be around if he didn't dable in music, but by your theory those kinds of things don't matter right    How do you think economic systems have been created, socialism, capitalism, fascism, that is all liberal arts thinking, an engineer did not come up with that.  Different types of war strategies, those are things that psychology and such can be much benefit. 

[Voland]

Sounds like a salesman to me   Selling lies and scamming people into working for them for a few weeks until the person working for them realizes the screw job they are getting put down on them, then you get all the clients the worker got while he was working for you, it works out great for you the person taking advantage of people, not so much for the person being taken advantage of.

Scamming? lol i didn't make salesmen conditions. Thats how it works you get paid for what you sell. Just as if you own a store. No sales=no money.
If the worker got so many clients he would be making big bucks and would be enjoying the money other that complaining.
But you sound like a punk. You'll never get a job. You'll realize sooner or latter.

[reppingfor20]

Scamming? lol i didn't make salesmen conditions. Thats how it works you get paid for what you sell. Just as if you own a store. No sales=no money.
If the worker got so many clients he would be making big bucks and would be enjoying the money other that complaining.
But you sound like a punk. You'll never get a job. You'll realize sooner or latter.

Ok mr salesman.  Or sales manager lol.  No one wants to work for you because the job you are offering SUCKS.  Your selling renewable energy, do you give them people that have already agreed to a visit to go to, or do they call people in the phone book, it sounds like a job that is worse than any minimum wage job.  Yes you could make a lot of money, but just like the lottery, you probably won't.

Gas money, these are kids you are trying to give the job to, most likely they have a crappy car, why put huge mileage on it and not get reimbursed for gas while not know if they even will get paid, they may even come back negative money for the day, that is why they are saying no thanks.  

If you job offer is so good, why aren't you doing it as a second job to the one you have now?

You probably already know this, but commission only sales jobs are the worst kind of job to exist.

And you didn't answer what tax form do they fill out, are they individual contractors or employees?  Please tell us...

[Option D]

they are the 99%

[BiGHer]

seriously

i have a friend who just graduated less than a month ago, tells me how he's bored all the time

i have some friends who haven't found full time jobs in over a year and a half after graduation

what the fuck do these people do all day

They need to either keep looking for a job or decide what they are going to do with their lives.  Sitting around waiting for an opportunity gets you nowhere.  They need to create their own opportunity.