Trensomnia

[T-rex]

How much melatonin do you recommend?

Sometimes 3mg, sometimes 6mg. I think with melatonin its a case of more aint better? But def take it with 5-htp, valerian, benadryl for the knock out punch. If you try any of this let us know how it worked for you. I prefer my combo to benzos.

[SamsonD]

I have found 6mg to be the sweet spot.

[nahb]

that shit only worked for a short time for me I have to take unisom just to fall asleep on test keeps me asleep on tren too

[The_Iron_Disciple]

That's why I like this site man. You get to hear guys like you tell with brutal honesty the evil that lurks out there. You could be an M.D. with every award on earth and still fall into this shit. Alot of former users of stupid shit yes, but we overcame and learned and now when you hear our horror stories you won't repeat our mistakes. If you met me now, you would have no idea about the crap I got myself into. I look inshape, well spoken, own my own house, all the normal things. On here I can be anonymous and tell the brutal truths of what I stupidly fell into. Sometimes these things make you stronger. I will end with this. Working out has literally saved my life. It lets you focus everything negative into something positive and sorta cleanses you.

Good post. I have my own opinions regarding some things in your post, but, overall, very intelligent post. :-) Best of luck.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Sometimes 3mg, sometimes 6mg. I think with melatonin its a case of more aint better? But def take it with 5-htp, valerian, benadryl for the knock out punch. If you try any of this let us know how it worked for you. I prefer my combo to benzos.

Amen ! 5 mg puts me out for the count. 10 mg keeps me up for hours. So, to reiterate, more is definitely NOT better when it comes to Mela.

[Cleanest Natural]

So this is why me, someone who usually sleeps a lot and has trouble waking up, am sleeping 5-6 hours top and am wide awake at early hours and even work out in the morning even though it's fucking Antarctica outside?

[The_Iron_Disciple]

So this is why me, someone who usually sleeps a lot and has trouble waking up, am sleeping 5-6 hours top and am wide awake at early hours and even work out in the morning even though it's fucking Antarctica outside?

How's the astral plane now that your on Tren ?

[whitewidow]

try benedryl like someone else mentioned. antihistamines make me very tired. youcan also use 4-6mg melatonin on top of one or two benedryl tablets. I started a trensomnia thread in the steroid section months ago. It is even titled the same trensomnia.just go to the steroid forum and type in trensomnia in the search box and you should find it. It has some other suggestions. but really there is not much you can do! if you want the same non addicitive route you are looking at benedryl and some melatonin. If you want the more dangerouse route but sure to work you will have to use benzos like valium,klonopin or xanax wich all have very high potential for addiction. actually you are bound to get addicted but if you know how to use them correctly you can easily safely taper off of benzos. you just take a little less each night when you are done using your tren and edge down very slowly do not rapidly taper down do it slowly. It does not take much xanax to sleep just 2mg before bed should do the trick if it is legit xanax(alprazolam). and it would be simple to taper off just 2mg a night. another problem though is getting the xanax from a doctor! I would not order any ugl xanax only somexanax coming from a real pharmacy. but always try the non addictive route first.

[whitewidow]

Any and every dose, just over a year. Depended on what I could get. IR/SR. At first percs(thats how it starts), then cracking SR 80's in half and taking both halves. It varied man. Compared to some I've talked to, my doses weren't shit. It was like subconsciously I was holding myself back from going all out. I got to a point I would of just done them forever. I loved taking it the second I woke up on an empty stomach. But overtime you gotta use more and more to achieve that awesome euphoric rush. But @ Mak. I'm done forever. I don't know about you but I've seen the end product with users. That was enough for me. Lesson learned. I quit on my own WW. It was a point of pride. Letting a narcotic own you=weakness.

I was taking 5-6 80mg oxycontin tabs a day! plus 6 mg alprazolam! But I had a legal prescription due to a bad car accident I was in. I still get prescribed 425 30mg roxicodone tabs a month(oxycodone instant release) same as oxycontin without the time release they work fast and hit hard. plus I am up to a huge amount of xanax I am precribed 360 1mg tabs a month. but I only take 10mg a day. still a huge amount! but I have been on them for 4 years and the oxys for close to 4 years. I tried to go cold turkey once and got extremely sick! I should of tapered off. but I was doing some bad things with them and needed to stop! I am on a pain contract so I get drug tested and also can get called in for a pill count. they are pretty strict when you are getting that amount of schedule 2 medication.

The only reason I stopped taking the 80's was because they changed the formula and I couldn't conv ert thm the way I like. so I switched to all 30mg instant release oxycodone. luckily I dont pay street prices! If that were the case I wouldn't take the at all. I have seen guys lose everything over oxycontin. seen them loose their nice cars,houses, and pawned everything worth of value they had! I would never get that hard up these are people using them to get high! I have a valid medical reason for both meds.

[NotMrAverage]

I would recomend to up the intensity in the gym...do those last 3-4 reps when you think you´re gonna die...that makes sleep like baby even on tren...however trensomnia is real and I have it myself, lack of sleep and HORRIBLE nightmares and i´m just using 300 mg sustanon and 50 mg tren ed! i use valium 1-2 times a week and that takes away everything...however i´ve been addicted to those pills before (alprazolam) and don+t want to go back there. Withdrawal lasted for 3 months! Even if you tapper down 2,5-5 mg (valium) a week those last 20 mg will be harsh, lot´s of panic attacks etc...being a benzo addict sucks so much I don´t have words on how lame it was...

Thinks to start with:

1.Melatonin
2.Valerian root (high dose pharma grade, 1g+). It works like a natural benzo without being addictive...However it´s maybe 5-10 times weaker. But a high dose def works.
3.Tramadol (non narcotic opiate/snri with fast onset) take 100-200 mg before bed. If you use more you will be more hyperactive. This should not be hard to get from a M.D
4.Zopiklon (very very good sleep medicine, benzo mimic but maybe 10 times less of the addicte properties.
5.Zolpidem (brother of the above medicine, faster onset, short halflife, abit more addicte than Zopiklon)
6.Nitrazepam (this is a benso and on of the most sold sleep meds in the world)
7.Flunitrazepam (the most addicte benso there is but it works wonders on very harsh insomnia)
8.Paxil (SSRI medicine. Effective for most psychiatric problems, but it will take a few weeks before you get adjusted)

The bensos I mentioned are designed for sleep. Xanax is not very sedative, mostly works for panic attacks. valium might be a choice. It very less addictive than all other bensos because it tapper it self down by it self...you get sedated about 1-1,5 h after ingestion, but it lasts in your system and have a mild anxiolytic effect for 48 h. If you take it every day the halflife builds up and might be in your system for a week.

[Nomad]

How much melatonin do you recommend?

depends from person to person. Usually more =/= better, and 10mg and up would actually worsen my insomnia.

for me 200mcg - 1gram is sweet spot but 3mg works too. With steroid induced insomnia melatonin can be useless though.

Here are my other solutions.

1. Frequent showers, sometimes one right before bedtime. Dont know how or why but I am pretty damn sure on roids, body sweat causes my system to release adrenaline or something. I would wake up after 3 hours of sleep and just roll around in my bed unable to fall back asleep. Taking another shower would usually help.

2. Megadose peptides before sleep. 500mcg ipamorelin should do the trick, most of the time.

3. Sleeping pills -  5-6 sleeping pills/benadryls

4. Wank it / fuck whores - self explanatory , dont forget to shower afterwards

5. Wash sheets, pillow covers every 2 days if not every day. Clen made it horrible for me,,I ended up buying several sets of sheets, pillow covers and mattress covers and just rotate them every day.

[futurebeef]

I have found injecting as soon as I wake up allows me to get to sleep at night for 5-6 hours straight but after that it's hit and miss.

[Jovo]

dont sleep.

trenbolona will make you feel like the man anyway

[closeline]

How the fuck do you guys deal with this? In the past two days I've had three hours of sleep. I can't sleep before 8 AM, just doesn't happen. I tried sleeping four hours ago, I just tossed and turned in bed for three hours before giving up on sleep... again... What do?

Don't say "I deal with trensomnia by not using tren".

STH at 10 iu + and make sure it s humatrope from pharmacia

[whitewidow]

I would recomend to up the intensity in the gym...do those last 3-4 reps when you think you´re gonna die...that makes sleep like baby even on tren...however trensomnia is real and I have it myself, lack of sleep and HORRIBLE nightmares and i´m just using 300 mg sustanon and 50 mg tren ed! i use valium 1-2 times a week and that takes away everything...however i´ve been addicted to those pills before (alprazolam) and don+t want to go back there. Withdrawal lasted for 3 months! Even if you tapper down 2,5-5 mg (valium) a week those last 20 mg will be harsh, lot´s of panic attacks etc...being a benzo addict sucks so much I don´t have words on how lame it was...

Thinks to start with:

1.Melatonin
2.Valerian root (high dose pharma grade, 1g+). It works like a natural benzo without being addictive...However it´s maybe 5-10 times weaker. But a high dose def works.
3.Tramadol (non narcotic opiate/snri with fast onset) take 100-200 mg before bed. If you use more you will be more hyperactive. This should not be hard to get from a M.D
4.Zopiklon (very very good sleep medicine, benzo mimic but maybe 10 times less of the addicte properties.
5.Zolpidem (brother of the above medicine, faster onset, short halflife, abit more addicte than Zopiklon)
6.Nitrazepam (this is a benso and on of the most sold sleep meds in the world)
7.Flunitrazepam (the most addicte benso there is but it works wonders on very harsh insomnia)
8.Paxil (SSRI medicine. Effective for most psychiatric problems, but it will take a few weeks before you get adjusted)

The bensos I mentioned are designed for sleep. Xanax is not very sedative, mostly works for panic attacks. valium might be a choice. It very less addictive than all other bensos because it tapper it self down by it self...you get sedated about 1-1,5 h after ingestion, but it lasts in your system and have a mild anxiolytic effect for 48 h. If you take it every day the halflife builds up and might be in your system for a week.

I disagree. xanax lays you out! I have tried every benzo there is! ativan(lorazepam), valium, klonopin, and the xanax. it is prescribed for anxiety and panick attacks since xanax kicks in so fast. if you take 2 mg of xanax and chew it up you will feel want to crash! benzos are human tranquilizers but xanax(alprazolam) is by far the most potent benzo available in the usa. rohypnol is a stronger benzo for sleep but it is not available in the states anymore just in europe. xanax is the king of all benzos. if you have never tried xanax and chew up 2 mg's you will go to sleep! If you chew up more you will def pass out and might wake up not knowing what happened. I underestimated xanax and took way to much my first time and I woke up not knowing what happened! I took at least 3x2mg bars. way to much for a first timer. most first timers I have seen take 2mg and pass out.

2nd best are klonopins they work a tad bit slower but last in yoiur system alot longer and will def help you sleep. but these drugs are like the last thing you want to touch. they work great but are addictive. and they are not super easy to get prescribed. I had to go through ativan,klonopin and then finally they gave me xanax bu they wanted me to take UA's. and they gave me a 30 day supply and I could not refill them unless it had been 30 days. so you really have to follow the bottles instructions I could not take more than precribed otherwise i would run out and withdraw wich I never did. One time I ran a day short where I had like a half a tab. and that night my head was twicthing like I was about to have a seizure. I was up almost all night and I had oxycontin and somas. still couldnt sleep without benzos. I was at the pharmacy almost right when it opened.

[pillowtalk]

How the fuck do you guys deal with this? In the past two days I've had three hours of sleep. I can't sleep before 8 AM, just doesn't happen. I tried sleeping four hours ago, I just tossed and turned in bed for three hours before giving up on sleep... again... What do?

Don't say "I deal with trensomnia by not using tren".

18 year old kids doing shots 
Fucking pathetic.
Did you ever hear of natural test & GH levels. If you can't get in good shape at you age without drugs, you might as well give up 
Did you steal out of mommies purse like Tay-tay 

PT

[gym**rat]

Swlabr, I had the same problem. After only getting 2 hours of sleep at the most for 2 solid months I got off of the tren. I cooked my own as well. I have a script for 10mg ambien but I rarely take them. I would take one 1x a week just to try and catch up on sleep but they didn't make a bit of difference. I feel for you, IT SUCKS!

[Voland]

ghb, narcotics and morphine.

[wes]

Instead of hitting the gym two times a month,try training balls to the wall 5-6 days a week,you`ll be so tired since it`ll be something new for you, that you`ll sleep like a baby!   

[pillowtalk]

Instead of hitting the gym two times a month,try training balls to the wall 5-6 days a week,you`ll be so tired since it`ll be something new for you, that you`ll sleep like a baby!   

THIS ^^^^
I have never had the problem, train 3/4 times a week & cardio 6 days, I sleep like I am on GA.

PT

[StanZoLOL]

Instead of hitting the gym two times a month,try training balls to the wall 5-6 days a week,you`ll be so tired since it`ll be something new for you, that you`ll sleep like a baby!   

[juicyjay]

GABA, Phenibut, and Kava Kava work wonders as well. GABA raises your natural GH levels too, which is always a plus. I'm using 0.25mg xanax myself, but that's because I'm having some serious family issues with my parents and their overall well being, so my anxiety is real bad right now. Things are getting worked out though, so I haven't needed it every night. I just use it a couple times a week now. I see myself being xanny free within the next couple weeks. I'm on 600/wk of tren and can sleep just fine granted I'm not worrying about anything.

[Swlabr]

Thank you all for the tips, guys. I ordered some melatonin yesterday (well, last night at 6 AM LOL), hopefully that will work. If not, I'll try the other things you guys mentioned (except the xanax, valium et cetera, I'm NEVER going down that road).

18 year old kids doing shots 
Fucking pathetic.
Did you ever hear of natural test & GH levels. If you can't get in good shape at you age without drugs, you might as well give up 
Did you steal out of mommies purse like Tay-tay 

PT

Lol. Hey, I know what I want, and I go for it. I'm like this in all aspects of my life, and I don't care what a little wankspot like yourself thinks of it.

Swlabr, I had the same problem. After only getting 2 hours of sleep at the most for 2 solid months I got off of the tren. I cooked my own as well. I have a script for 10mg ambien but I rarely take them. I would take one 1x a week just to try and catch up on sleep but they didn't make a bit of difference. I feel for you, IT SUCKS!

Honestly, man, it does. I've missed so many lectures so far. Thankfully I can sit down and teach myself but it's just annoying as fuck waking up at 5 PM and basically having wasted a day, just makes me feel like a bum!

Instead of hitting the gym two times a month,try training balls to the wall 5-6 days a week,you`ll be so tired since it`ll be something new for you, that you`ll sleep like a baby!   

Lol, I went yesterday and the day before. Deadlifted 440x8 and incline dumbbell pressed 110x8. I do train hard, dammit.

[Swlabr]

I'm actually considering shooting 10 iu GH at once tonight, see if that knocks me out.

[purenaturalstrength]