Phil Heath dumbbell & barbell rows instruction (2012-02-06)

[musclecenter]

[WOOO]

arms are fucking insane

[Julio Ceasar]

Underhand barbell row will give u better sweap on your lats...that thing was new. : )

Do they belive in that shit self to??

[Cutlet767]

Always, ALWAYS looks high as a kite.

[Hulkotron]

What will happen if I do 4 or 9 repetitions?

[purenaturalstrength]

if philip had those muscles on this skeleton

[mesmorph78]

Good poits made by heath....
I prefer the overhad brbell row to the underhand version though

[Metabolic]

"Lower lats"

[DroppingPlates]

Good poits made by heath....
I prefer the overhad brbell row to the underhand version though

Me too, you have a stronger grip and when you keep your elbows close to the lats, the difference in activation of lower part of the lats is negligible, compared with the underhand version.

[DroppingPlates]

"Lower lats"

LOL, yeah anatomically they don't exist, just like the "inner chest". Trainer's broscience at his best  

[Tito24]

synthol

[Parker]

Good poits made by heath....
I prefer the overhad brbell row to the underhand version though

If you take a lok at pics of him from 2006 vs today, you'd see that he has added a lot of thickness back there.

[tbombz]

Dead wrong on the barbell rows. 45 to 60 degree angle hits Lats best

[Parker]

Dead wrong on the barbell rows. 45 to 60 degree angle hits Lats best

Uh, T, take a look at his lats...then yours...then his again, take a look at him from 2005 on up.
take a look at his vids.

What may work better for you, may not work better for him---but then again, he's on a ton of shit, so what ever work him.

[purenaturalstrength]

Dead wrong on the barbell rows. 45 to 60 degree angle hits Lats best

that sounds like bro science friend

the only thing the lats do is pull the upper arm to the torso


the more upright, the lower the range of motion

[DroppingPlates]

that sounds like bro science friend

the only thing the lats do is pull the upper arm to the torso


the more upright, the lower the range of motion

That's the big mistake many people make. They make it rather look like a shrug, than a row movement.

[purenaturalstrength]

That's the big mistake many people make. They make it rather look like a shrug, than a row movement.

they just swing it by cheating and getting more upright even, then bringing their torso to the barbell when it's coming up

lol

[tbombz]

Uh, T, take a look at his lats...then yours...then his again, take a look at him from 2005 on up.
take a look at his vids.

What may work better for you, may not work better for him---but then again, he's on a ton of shit, so what ever work him.

drugs and genetic response to drugs...    This pure biomechanics.. Lays engage more strongly during rows when at a 45 degree angle.. Going down to closer to 90 disengages oats and puts more focus on upper back muscles... 

that sounds like bro science friend

the only thing the lats do is pull the upper arm to the torso


the more upright, the lower the range of motion

no, this is basic anatomy. Yes, less range of motion, but more focus on lats. Upper back and lats are two different things. When leaned over to 90 you aren't hitting lats your making it an upper back movement.



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[che]

I do my barbell rows on a bench.

[PJim]

drugs and genetic response to drugs...    This pure biomechanics.. Lays engage more strongly during rows when at a 45 degree angle.. Going down to closer to 90 disengages oats and puts more focus on upper back muscles... 

 no, this is basic anatomy. Yes, less range of motion, but more focus on lats. Upper back and lats are two different things. When leaned over to 90 you aren't hitting lats your making it an upper back movement.



http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/lifestyles/2010-md-spring-seminar/2663-gaspari-nutrition-presents-the-md-seminar-dorian-yates-backtraining.html

One of the few things I agree with you on.

[chess315]

I like underhanded better just hard to strap into so mostly do overhand :/

[Stavios]

I do my barbell rows on a bench.

I fuck your mom on a bench

[che]

I fuck your mom on a bench

I thought we were friends

[aesthetics]

Dead wrong on the barbell rows. 45 to 60 degree angle hits Lats best

it's impossible to be at a 90 degree angle if you are moving any kind of weight with the barbell but i think 90 degree for 1 hand dumb bell works best for the lats. you just have to have a mind-muscle concentration on how you are moving your arms, pulling the elbows back and up while contracting the lats as opposed to just trying to lift the weight "up" - that works the best for hitting lats in my opinion

[Stavios]

I thought we were friends

we are more than friends

we are brothers

brothers of cock