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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2012, 02:24:30 PM »
I'm going to add jaguar to the mix---jag will take out a gorilla, as the jag kills by biting thru the skull, and it has one of highest bite force indexes in the world---animals that have bone crushing jaws like the jag and spotted Hyenas, have higher bite force, Higher even than lions...


On the leopard v gorilla, there have been accounts of Burmese pythons killing and swallowing leopards---how big the leopards were, I don't know.

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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2012, 03:05:35 PM »
  I am still waiting for the sources. And you haven't answered my question: if they were found dead, then how can you possibly know they killed each other? Encyclopedia Britannica especifically states that leopards have been rumored to prey on gorillas, but that there is no evidence that an adult male mountain gorilla has ever been killed by one.

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The expert opinion of a National Geographic photographer--someone familiar with the bite markings of each animal--should be sufficient, but I will search for more definitive evidence. The fact that Britannica says that indicates there's probably more evidence indicating the same.

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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2012, 03:22:12 PM »
 1. Can you supply evidence that any grizzly has survived multiple shots from a .357 cal Magnum? I find that hard to believe, since the skull of a bear is only about twice as thick as that of a human and the brain behind it is equally fragile.

  2. Grizzlies are not 3 times the size of gorillas; they are less than twice the size, and half their bodyweight is fat compared to the gorilla which has very little bodyfat. An average mountain gorilla at 450 lbs actually has the power advantage over the average 800 lbs bear.

  3. Running fast doesen't mean shit unless if it is to run away from the fight, in which case the gorilla wins by default. Can a sprinter beat a pro MMA fighter in a fight? No, even though he can run faster.

  4. A bear's claws would not cause any lethal damage to the gorilla unless it hit the carotide artery on the neck or poked the gorillas eyes out. Both are unlikely to happen in a fight. The gorillas canines and biting pressure, it's freakish arm strength and dexterous hands are more formidable weapons than the bear's paw swipes.

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First of all a Kodiak--not a grizzly or polar bear should be used as the exemplar of bear mightiness.
Kodiaks, despite being slightly smaller than polar bear in terms of weight, have much thicker skulls, and are covered with dense fur and fat.
It is thought that, as polar bear habitat shrinks, they will lose out to kodiaks as they are forced to compete with them in the same niche environment.

You said that when stripped of their fat, bears of comparable in lean muscle mass to gorillas, however what you failed to mention is
this layer of fat actually assist fighting, not hinder it. Similarly, the Chinese Shar-pei was bred to have excessive layers of fat folds, to protect it from grievous wounds by other dogs.

Kodiaks weigh 1000-1200 pounds, and a silverback standing upright would barely stand taller than a Kodiak's SHOULDER. Standing upright, the massive Kodiak is around 10' tall--dwarfing all silverback gorillas.



Silverbacks have a powerful bite, but their bite is nullified because a silverback has a short muzzle and dull teeth, that wouldn't be capable of penetrating this kind of dense fat layer. That is assuming a gorilla would get past the Kodiak's claws first...



Kodiak bears have claws approaching 5" long!!! A gorilla's lean muscle mass would work against it, as it stuggles to grapple with the neckless bear. The kodiak would tear through it's flesh, raking it with it's claws until it dies.


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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2012, 03:25:27 PM »
  A computer simulation done by experts on what would happen in a fight between a gorilla and a leopard. Gorilla by decimation.

 


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Leopards weigh around 200 pounds. The fact that someone thought this would be a good fight indicates that gorillas are thought of a 'lightweights'.

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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2012, 06:09:51 PM »
First of all a Kodiak--not a grizzly or polar bear should be used as the exemplar of bear mightiness.
Kodiaks, despite being slightly smaller than polar bear in terms of weight, have much thicker skulls, and are covered with dense fur and fat.
It is thought that, as polar bear habitat shrinks, they will lose out to kodiaks as they are forced to compete with them in the same niche environment.

You said that when stripped of their fat, bears of comparable in lean muscle mass to gorillas, however what you failed to mention is
this layer of fat actually assist fighting, not hinder it. Similarly, the Chinese Shar-pei was bred to have excessive layers of fat folds, to protect it from grievous wounds by other dogs.

Kodiaks weigh 1000-1200 pounds, and a silverback standing upright would barely stand taller than a Kodiak's SHOULDER. Standing upright, the massive Kodiak is around 10' tall--dwarfing all silverback gorillas.



Silverbacks have a powerful bite, but their bite is nullified because a silverback has a short muzzle and dull teeth, that wouldn't be capable of penetrating this kind of dense fat layer. That is assuming a gorilla would get past the Kodiak's claws first...



Kodiak bears have claws approaching 5" long!!! A gorilla's lean muscle mass would work against it, as it stuggles to grapple with the neckless bear. The kodiak would tear through it's flesh, raking it with it's claws until it dies.



makes sense, the loose skin and fat of the Kodiak would only make it more difficult for the Silverback to inflict any vital damage. any direct swipe from the Kodiac's 5" claws onto the lean muscle of the Silverback would be devastating.

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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2012, 06:15:30 PM »
makes sense, the loose skin and fat of the Kodiak would only make it more difficult for the Silverback to inflict any vital damage. any direct swipe from the Kodiac's 5" claws onto the lean muscle of the Silverback would be devastating.
It was said that gladiators were actually kinda bulky-fat. Due to their diets and due to the fact that the fat added as padding for blows, and protected internal organs from sharp stabs.
Think of someone like Andy Whitfield (that played Spartacus) getting a real life slice from a sword versus someone like Hacksaw Jim Duggin.

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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2012, 06:19:46 PM »

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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2012, 02:22:49 AM »

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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2012, 02:32:10 AM »
I'm going to add jaguar to the mix---jag will take out a gorilla, as the jag kills by biting thru the skull, and it has one of highest bite force indexes in the world---animals that have bone crushing jaws like the jag and spotted Hyenas, have higher bite force, Higher even than lions..

Well, as the Jaguar charges the Gorilla, the Grizzly grabs the Jaguar by the legs, while the Burmese Python slithers around the gorillas right leg.


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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2012, 07:31:07 AM »
Grizzley/Kodiak > Silverback.


End of debate.

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Re: Grizzly bear attack...
« Reply #85 on: March 04, 2012, 12:25:44 AM »


ronnie really let himself go this year