Bull S%@& Racial incident mars high school game

[Fury]

thank you

You going to quote every post that supports your asinine viewpoint, Simple Jack?

[OzmO]

what,it's not hard to figure out that if your the team that's all white and your chanting usa usa and the other team is from san antonio, probably mostly mexican.your not chanting that because your proud your all americans

yeah especially if the team is made up of illegals.  And you probably are chanting because you are proud to be an American which means in AMERICA you shouldn't ever have to apologize for it.

[blacken700]

You going to quote every post that supports your asinine viewpoint, Simple Jack?

i said no pickles retard

[Fury]

Is anyone surprised? This is a country where illegals and terrorists have more rights than its citizens.

i said no pickles retard

Get a job, Simple Jack.

[OzmO]

dont get me wrong. Im a True American in the purest sense and im a patroit.

But for example, the school i coached at in East LA was all mexican, and if they played a team from Orange County, in Orange County, and as the game comes down to the final mins and the kids in the crowd is yelling USA USA... especially if their mascot is the bears or lions or some shit, then you know what the fuck is going on. Not to say its worthy of being suspended or some shit, But to act like its just harmless patriotism is bullshit

But we are all Americans here.  Or are we?

If we are not, then they should fucking get out of our country if they don't like it.

Since when does being nationalistic become racism?  that's absurd.  

[haider]

How is chanting the name of your country racist?

When does chanting the name of your country become not ok in your own country?

If they are foreigners who have immigrated from another country and don't like it then they get the fuck out.  

depending on the context, such as the one presented, it can be.

In the case your outlining - yes, you are correct.
Im taking it at face value, considering there could have been many possible reasons for the chant, all of which would not be construed as an insult.
I dont see an entire group chanting the countries name to offend another group of people, who are all living in the country. And therein lies my angst - youre living here, you should associate yourself WITH the chant, not get offended by it. Getting offended by it means they view themselves as not being a part of this country.

I tracked off onto a different issue in my post, mostly due to having seen so much of this, where people immigrate to this country and then expect to live like theyre in their home country, here.

If you look at it from the other side, if they thought the other team was associated with america, why would you feel the need to chant 'USA' ? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Ofcourse any reason is possibe, but it was not a big leap for the Coach to come to the conclusion he did about the reason for the chanting.

[blacken700]

Is anyone surprised? This is a country where illegals and terrorists have more rights than its citizens.

Get a job, Simple Jack.

don't be mad because you have to flip burgers,someone has to do it.

[Option D]

But we are all Americans here.  Or are we?

If we are not, then they should fucking get out of our country if they don't like it.

Since when does being nationalistic become racism?  that's absurd.  

Ok.. youre not getting what im saying. Those mexican american kids are American citizens. We know exactly what hey ment by USA.. It ment US vs them.. Whites vs Mexicans.

[haider]

dont get me wrong. Im a True American in the purest sense and im a patroit.

But for example, the school i coached at in East LA was all mexican, and if they played a team from Orange County, in Orange County, and as the game comes down to the final mins and the kids in the crowd is yelling USA USA... especially if their mascot is the bears or lions or some shit, then you know what the fuck is going on. Not to say its worthy of being suspended or some shit, But to act like its just harmless patriotism is bullshit

In the least patronizing manner possible, I think this is a simple issue which someone who belongs to the majority may have a harder time understanding because it is harder to put themselves in these situations (I do not blame them for that).

[OzmO]

depending on the context, such as the one presented, it can be.
If you look at it from the other side, if they thought the other team was associated with america, why would you feel the need to chant 'USA' ? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Ofcourse any reason is possibe, but it was not a big leap for the Coach to come to the conclusion he did about the reason for the chanting.

That's a key problem with many people.  They don't take full responsibility for how they interpret and react to things.  If the other team doesn't feel they are American that's their issue to deal with.  It isn't other people's issues to the point everyone has to walk on egg shells around them.  

And all the coach is doing is making sure he doesn't get fired.  nothing more.  

[Option D]

In the least patronizing manner possible, I think this is a simple issue which someone who belongs to the majority may have a harder time understanding because it is harder to put themselves in these situations (I do not blame them for that).

Yeah im not gonna continue to argue this.

[haider]

That's a key problem with many people.  They don't take full responsibility for how they interpret and react to things.  If the other team doesn't feel they are American that's their issue to deal with.  It isn't other people's issues to the point everyone has to walk on egg shells around them.  

And all the coach is doing is making sure he doesn't get fired.  nothing more.  

Everything is understood within context. And there is always a flip side- why would they chant 'USA' in the first place? Can you admit that its a little weird?

[Soul Crusher]

Bunch of fucking cry babies.   Entitlement bitches.   maybe next time instead of worrying about their little egg shell culutural hyper-sensitivities these fools could focus on winning the ball game instead?  

So sick of these jerk offs screaming racism with every breath.   

[OzmO]

Ok.. youre not getting what im saying. Those mexican american kids are American citizens. We know exactly what hey ment by USA.. It ment US vs them.. Whites vs Mexicans.

No i disagree.  What the other team meant by it is not the issue here.  What they actually said is the issue.  If we run around worrying about what people "mean" by everything they say then we will not be able to talk to each other at all.   What they said wasn't racist.  However, i will concede that what they said was nationalistic.  

[OzmO]

Everything is understood within context. And there is always a flip side- why would they chant 'USA' in the first place? Can you admit that its a little weird?

Of course it was weird if not overly assertive/aggressive.  But to call it racism is fully incorrect. 

[Option D]

Everything is understood within context. And there is always a flip side- why would they chant 'USA' in the first place? Can you admit that its a little weird?

When Rocky Fights the Russian ... its cool to chant USA
When US plays Chivas Mexico in Soccer, you chant USA
When The Olympic fighter fights a Cuban boxer, you chant USA

But when high school kids that are from one side of town, plays kids from another side of town with a different racial make up.. whats the point to chant USA

[OzmO]

When Rocky Fights the Russian ... its cool to chant USA
When US plays Chivas Mexico in Soccer, you chant USA
When The Olympic fighter fights a Cuban boxer, you chant USA

But when high school kids that are from one side of town, plays kids from another side of town with a different racial make up.. whats the point to chant USA

They weren't chanting "WHITES".  Chanting "USA" doesn't make it racism. 

[Soul Crusher]

When Rocky Fights the Russian ... its cool to chant USA
When US plays Chivas Mexico in Soccer, you chant USA
When The Olympic fighter fights a Cuban boxer, you chant USA

But when high school kids that are from one side of town, plays kids from another side of town with a different racial make up.. whats the point to chant USA

Maybe better than calling them something worse? 

[Fury]

How dare we support our country!

[Option D]

Agree to Disagree. We know if they were 2 white teams playing each other, USA wouldnt have been chanted.

[Shockwave]

Haider - my point was the chant came from somewhere, in your example, yes it may be construed as racism, but ONLY in that one example.
There are a 10000 others possible explanations that dont involve racism.
A decorated vet being there for instance.
Honoring the flag.

For it to be racism - we'd have to make the leap of logic and assume that ONE WHOLE SIDE was white and that the other WHOLE SIDE was a minority. Thats the only way that could be construed as racism IMHO.

People should not get offended when their fellow citizens chant USA - If they were shouting WHITES, or LEGALS, or CITIZENS, or any other 1000 possiblities, then yes, it probably would be racism, but your assuming that theyre using their countries name to be racist? I dont buy it. I dont buy that the side chanting was all white either, especially being from Texas.

I feel like this is a bunch of thin skinned pussies getting uptight because they felt someone was drawing an US vs THEM attitude.

For it to be racism, requires quite a leap of logic and information we dont have.

[Soul Crusher]

Agree to Disagree. We know if they were 2 white teams playing each other, USA wouldnt have been chanted.

IF THEY WERE TWO BLACK TEAMS WE KNOW THAT THEY STILL WOULD BE CALLING EACH OTHER THE N WORD.  

[Shockwave]

Agree to Disagree. We know if they were 2 white teams playing each other, USA wouldnt have been chanted.

?
Depending on where they are, yeah it could have.
Youre assuming the one team was ENTIRELY WHITE (assuming mostly white), and the other team was entirely comprised of minorities.

Just from this post, your stating without a doubt its racism because (according to you) they only chanted USA cause the other team was mostly minorities. You have no idea why they were chanting USA.

[Option D]

IF THEY WERE TWO BLACK TEAMS WE KNOW THAT THEY STILL WOULD BE CALLING EACH OTHER THE N WORD.  

Not sure what youre getting at? Who would call who ni66er. The fans would Chant Ni66er. What are we talking about here?  not sure what youre saying or how its relative to this situation, please clarify what you are saying.

[OzmO]

Agree to Disagree. We know if they were 2 white teams playing each other, USA wouldnt have been chanted.

So if they were playing a white team from Switzerland?

So the Olympics is one big shouting racism convention?