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« on: March 07, 2012, 09:45:07 PM »

I've always read in the mags that the only way to leg mass is the free weight squat.

I've always done them, and they do work.

I'm older now, not trying to win 16 Olympias, and just want some big ass quads.

I'm currently doing hacks and lunges. I *think* that's pretty much all I need.

Whats the verdict on GetBig?
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 09:52:47 PM »

just did front squat in my leg workout yesterday for the first time after months of no squat and my legs are sore like never before...
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 10:12:19 PM »

Toss in some heavy ass leg presses with those hacks and you will be busting pant sleves in no time Cool

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2012, 12:42:01 AM »

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/squat-versus-leg-press-for-big-legs.html
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2012, 12:52:49 AM »

If you are taller the less squats will build legmass. Iīve been training for 15 years and thought that there was no way around doing squats. Even if iīm only 5.10 I tend to bend my back to much. If you have shortish legs or are all around shorter the more squats will build quads. For me it mostly built glutes and lower back. After about 5 years of training I changed to legpresses and hacks and my quads blew up pretty fast. I can still do front squats though and do them once in a while. Itīs just so akward doing them, feels like someone is choking me... Also higher reps/lower weight normal squats work pretty good. legpresses and hacks are bread and butter though.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2012, 12:59:45 AM »

I've always read in the mags that the only way to leg mass is the free weight squat.

I've always done them, and they do work.

I'm older now, not trying to win 16 Olympias, and just want some big ass quads.

I'm currently doing hacks and lunges. I *think* that's pretty much all I need.

Whats the verdict on GetBig?

heavy leg press,.. smith squats,.. hacks are all great.. due to an old back injury dorian was not doing free weight squats..
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 01:15:02 AM »

Squats are great but there's no need to get married to them.

Pre-exhaust leg extensions, followed by leg presses, followed by hacks have built my quads just as good as any form of squatting.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2012, 01:20:03 AM »

Squats easily turn into an ego lifting exercise for a lot of people and worsening form takes the pressure of the quads pretty quickly. So unless you do them with at least good form, they really aren't any good choice for quad development.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2012, 01:29:01 AM »

to me hacks hurt the knees worse than squats. but paul dillet supposedly never squatted and look as his legs
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2012, 01:35:08 AM »

15 years no squat or free bar bench. Pics from yesterday. I'm 50 years old. Doing it the GH15 way. 6ft. 238 in the morning.


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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2012, 01:44:32 AM »

you don't need squats maybe first couple years sure.. but after it is not needed .... dorian yates and kevin levrone don't squat and they are top 6 bodybuilders of all time

this should tell you something.
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 02:23:16 AM »

Oh yeah, regarding Yates:

"Some people's joints articulate in a manner that allows them to benefit greatly from squats; others may not benefit at all. If you're not too tall and have short limbs, it may be the best exercise for you, but if you're tall with long legs, it might be both ineffective and dangerous.I was stubbornly faithful to squats for years until I finally realized they were not well-suited for my body structure. After I switched to more muscle-intensive movements, my gains in leg size were astounding."--Dorian Yates

He might or might not actually have said that, but it's true.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 02:44:27 AM »

Oh yeah, regarding Yates:

"Some people's joints articulate in a manner that allows them to benefit greatly from squats; others may not benefit at all. If you're not too tall and have short limbs, it may be the best exercise for you, but if you're tall with long legs, it might be both ineffective and dangerous.I was stubbornly faithful to squats for years until I finally realized they were not well-suited for my body structure. After I switched to more muscle-intensive movements, my gains in leg size were astounding."--Dorian Yates

He might or might not actually have said that, but it's true.

but he for sure said that he was forced not to do free weight squats after an injury.. he was doing smith squats instead..
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 08:10:22 AM »

Squats are one of the best exercises going. Most don't do them and many who do use a very shallow range of motion. Having said that it isn't necessary to feel you have to squat if they are not for you due to structural issues. Just as the flat barbell bench press isn't something that's mandatory in the weight room.

I rarely see this exercise but it's fantastic for the legs. It's deep squats holding dumbbells at your sides.  Most would say I use 300 plus when I barbell squat how could I find big enough dumbbells. Let me tell you if you squat upright and deep enough  just to the point where the dumbbells come within an inch of the floor you can't use a lot of weight. Try it. Use straps and hold the bells at your side. Squat upright and really deep. Do a couple of sets of 12.  It's a really hard exercise.  You will really feel this in your legs.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 08:14:25 AM »

i do squats a lot because i enjoy it

but you have to be quite crazy to think you need them to build legs


you can do hack squats and leg press obviously


but to me squat is more convenient and fun
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 08:15:42 AM »

15 years no squat or free bar bench. Pics from yesterday. I'm 50 years old. Doing it the GH15 way. 6ft. 238 in the morning.
your legs are garbage for all the shit you use...
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 08:17:42 AM »

Squats are great.. I'm 6ft1 but love 'em. Deep or it's not a squat of course.
 Oh, and they build "dat ass" too..
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2012, 08:24:40 AM »

Squats are bang for your back the best leg exercise ever, full rom, deep in the hole (no homo) to get the best out of it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2012, 08:30:02 AM »

15 years no squat or free bar bench. Pics from yesterday. I'm 50 years old. Doing it the GH15 way. 6ft. 238 in the morning.



yes according to youyr pics no need to squat and bench with gram of aas.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2012, 08:32:43 AM »

one simple rule for big .. ass AND quads
"shut up and squat"
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 08:33:29 AM »

15 years no squat or free bar bench. Pics from yesterday. I'm 50 years old. Doing it the GH15 way. 6ft. 238 in the morning.
Good think you clarified you are bathing in PEDs, I can now ignore almost anything you claim about training.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 08:34:02 AM »

Squats easily turn into an ego lifting exercise for a lot of people and worsening form takes the pressure of the quads pretty quickly. So unless you do them with at least good form, they really aren't any good choice for quad development.


squat are good for general mass.
but to much ego in squat= back pain and big ass.

so i do 3 set of 10 reps with medium weight cos they're still the base.

then i do front squat - sldl -lunge to give leg a total workout.

 
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2012, 08:35:51 AM »

Oh yeah, regarding Yates:

"Some people's joints articulate in a manner that allows them to benefit greatly from squats; others may not benefit at all. If you're not too tall and have short limbs, it may be the best exercise for you, but if you're tall with long legs, it might be both ineffective and dangerous.I was stubbornly faithful to squats for years until I finally realized they were not well-suited for my body structure. After I switched to more muscle-intensive movements, my gains in leg size were astounding."--Dorian Yates

He might or might not actually have said that, but it's true.

Differences in biomechanics are marginal between regular individuals, he is exaggerating and very misleading, he is not right.

Just in case, yes, there are extreme cases of people having advtangaes or disadvantages on leverage when considering limbīs length and anatomy, this is not a real problem for almost anybody.  Or unless you wanna be a tier 1 pro athelete in strength disciplines.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2012, 08:39:26 AM »

Your Mom built her leg mass from squatting.
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2012, 08:49:45 AM »

Unless you're competing, don't bother squatting unless you're young and your back is still fine.

Otherwise leg presses and extensions. 
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