WWIII

[Emmortal]

Who else thinks this is coming?  Israel voting to attack Iran, Eqypt declaring Israel their number one enemy, executive orders from the WH preparing for war.  Seems pretty likely that this is going to explode into one big mess.  I could be wrong, have been before, but I got a funny feeling about this one.

[24KT]

Who else thinks this is coming?  Israel voting to attack Iran, Eqypt declaring Israel their number one enemy, executive orders from the WH preparing for war.  Seems pretty likely that this is going to explode into one big mess.  I could be wrong, have been before, but I got a funny feeling about this one.

I think it's already here. 

[Hugo Chavez]

agree that we're already in the start of WWIII and it could easily turn into a nuclear conflict the way things are going.  Hope that tiny speck of dirt is worth it all   not....

[Shockwave]

Who else thinks this is coming?  Israel voting to attack Iran, Eqypt declaring Israel their number one enemy, executive orders from the WH preparing for war.  Seems pretty likely that this is going to explode into one big mess.  I could be wrong, have been before, but I got a funny feeling about this one.

Something huge is coming down the pipe. Its pretty obvious judging from everything coming our of the white house.

[24KT]

Something huge is coming down the pipe. Its pretty obvious judging from everything coming our of the white house.

They're looking to sell it to the public so bad, ...they even had the former Israeli Prime Minister pitching to soccer moms on The View!

[OzmO]

Someone make a case please.   I don't see it.  It's more saber rattling IMO.  Even if Israel does attack Iran, Egypt isn't going to do crap, even if they do how does that lead to ww3?  I think nukes prevent any world war on the scale of ww1 or ww2.  If nukes are invovled everyone loses.

[howardroark]

People have been worrying about WWIII since 1946. 

[24KT]

Someone make a case please.   I don't see it.  It's more saber rattling IMO.  Even if Israel does attack Iran, Egypt isn't going to do crap, even if they do how does that lead to ww3?  I think nukes prevent any world war on the scale of ww1 or ww2.  If nukes are invovled everyone loses.

Which case? That WWIII is about to erupt? or that we are already in the midst of WWIII?

[JBGRAY]

Any war would immediately destabilize every other nation in the world.  We are interconnected economically in such ways that we've never been connected before.  Just look at gas and oil prices.....if someone farts in the middle east, barrel prices go up.  China doing anything would cause westerners from buying up their cheaply made goods....leading to tens of millions of out of work people residing underneath an oppressive regime.

So...no WW3. 

[Shockwave]

Any war would immediately destabilize every other nation in the world.  We are interconnected economically in such ways that we've never been connected before.  Just look at gas and oil prices.....if someone farts in the middle east, barrel prices go up.  China doing anything would cause westerners from buying up their cheaply made goods....leading to tens of millions of out of work people residing underneath an oppressive regime.
So...no WW3. 

This... sounds like exactly where were headed, so that wouldnt suprise me in the least.
Increasingly reliant on government.
Increasingly overbearing government taking our rights.
Lol.

[JBGRAY]

This... sounds like exactly where were headed, so that wouldnt suprise me in the least.
Increasingly reliant on government.
Increasingly overbearing government taking our rights.
Lol.

And what is even more sad that in a recent survey, people on Medicare, Medicaid, and receiving Social Security did not believe in receiving government handouts.

So not only are we becoming more reliant on handouts on top of our rights being taken away, many do not even believe it is even happening to themselves.

[Shockwave]

And what is even more sad that in a recent survey, people on Medicare, Medicaid, and receiving Social Security did not believe in receiving government handouts.

So not only are we becoming more reliant on handouts on top of our rights being taken away, many do not even believe it is even happening to themselves.

Of course, everyone looks down on those who take handouts except when they need it.
I am totally for them in worst case scenarios, short bursts to help people out of a hard spot, unfortunatley the people that run the system use it like their own personal handout system, giving to those that dont need it for far longer than they should just because they can, and many times those that really need it get fucked.
Seen it 1st hand.

You can see it on this board (G&O), when I lost my job while going to college I applied for foodstamps for a short time until I could get another job, I was attacked all over the place, but then the same people would turn around and say I should have got unemployment, or talk about how they had some friends pay for them or a family member. When I pointed out this was the 1st time Ive been unemployed since I was 14, and Ive payed into the system my whole life so why shouldnt I use it in a time of need, I was attacked even more, cause that system isnt for people who can afford to go to college. But theyre perfectly fine with me pulling unemployement (which would have been far more than I recieved in food stamp money).

[Fury]

How long have the tinfoil hatters been claiming that WWIII is coming? Still waiting.

What is Egypt's relevance in this? Egypt's economy is in shambles. Their military is disorganized and already preoccupied with the walking bomb that is their country. The last war they fought with Israel lasted all of six days and resulted in them losing 1/2 their country before the Israelis gave it back to them. Oh man, here comes WWIII courtesy of the Egyptians!  

And what is even more sad that in a recent survey, people on Medicare, Medicaid, and receiving Social Security did not believe in receiving government handouts.

So not only are we becoming more reliant on handouts on top of our rights being taken away, many do not even believe it is even happening to themselves.

Ezra Klein wrote a Bloomberg piece making this same argument. It was summarily destroyed in the comments. Social Security is paid into and most people will never receive more than they put into it. Quite the "entitlement".  

I guess we should feel "entitled" that the government takes our money and pisses it away on the parasite class.

[Shockwave]

How long have the tinfoil hatters been claiming that WWIII is coming? Still waiting.

What is Egypt's relevance in this? Egypt's economy is in shambles. Their military is disorganized and already preoccupied with the walking bomb that is their country. The last war they fought with Israel lasted all of six days and resulted in them losing 1/2 their country before the Israelis gave it back to them. Oh man, here comes WWIII courtesy of the Egyptians!  

Ezra Klein wrote a Bloomberg piece making this same argument. It was summarily destroyed in the comments. Social Security is paid into and most people will never receive more than they put into it. Quite the "entitlement".  

I guess we should feel "entitled" that the government takes our money and pisses it away on the parasite class.

Whats your stance on why all these bills stripping us of our rights and prepping for some major catastophen then?
I dont know what it is, but its pretty clear theyre heading somewhere. We havent had this many bills stripping our freedoms passed back to back in my lifetime. Especially with congress voting almost unanimously on all of them. You cant just write this off as nothing can you? Be pretty ignorant IMHO.

Totally agree on the entitlements. Like I said, I payed into the system for 12 years of my life, been employed since I was 14, but when I applied for a couple of months of food stamps after losing my job in college, I was torn up by the people on the G&O because that program is for people that "really need it" and I was stealing that money from more deserving people. 

[headhuntersix]

Its not like you wouldn't see massive troop movements, here or abroad. I'm sure Israel may want to strike Iran and that could be coming....WW3, WW1 more or less started like this. I promise to let you know if I see something interesting.

[OzmO]

Which case? That WWIII is about to erupt? or that we are already in the midst of WWIII?

Feel free to take a stab at either

[24KT]

Feel free to take a stab at either

It will have to take place on the Conspiracy theory board.

[OzmO]

It will have to take place on the Conspiracy theory board.

Ok...................


Which will you argue?

[Arnold jr]

Someone make a case please.   I don't see it.  It's more saber rattling IMO.  Even if Israel does attack Iran, Egypt isn't going to do crap, even if they do how does that lead to ww3?  I think nukes prevent any world war on the scale of ww1 or ww2.  If nukes are invovled everyone loses.

Everyone loses? That may be, but it's meaningless to Iran. I honestly don't think most Americans can comprehend how countries like Iran and Egypt think...success is only in the end result of the destruction of Israel. How many people they lose themselves is meaningless, any political power they gain or lose is meaningless, any "spoils of war" they gain is meaningless. If the Iranian government were to be successful in destroying Israel, even if it cost them the majority of their population, every red cent they have and basically ended them too, this would in the Iranian governments eyes be deemed a success.

Will it lead us to WWIII? That's hard to say. Israel can easily handle Iran themselves if need be, but the reaction by the rest of the Middle East will be what pushes the domino's over.

[Arnold jr]

People have been worrying about WWIII since 1946. 

....and one day it will come. A simple look through the history of man tells us it will come. We may indeed be more technologically advanced, but men are still men...the nature of man has not changed nor will it ever change.

[OzmO]

Everyone loses? That may be, but it's meaningless to Iran. I honestly don't think most Americans can comprehend how countries like Iran and Egypt think...success is only in the end result of the destruction of Israel. How many people they lose themselves is meaningless, any political power they gain or lose is meaningless, any "spoils of war" they gain is meaningless. If the Iranian government were to be successful in destroying Israel, even if it cost them the majority of their population, every red cent they have and basically ended them too, this would in the Iranian governments eyes be deemed a success.

Will it lead us to WWIII? That's hard to say. Israel can easily handle Iran themselves if need be, but the reaction by the rest of the Middle East will be what pushes the domino's over.

Are the leaders of the Egypt and Iran willings to exchange their places of power for the slim chance of winning a war with israel?  I think not.  

[OzmO]

Regional conflicts that look like cultural wars?  Yes.  World wars, not likely with nukes and globalization.

[Arnold jr]

Are the leaders of the Egypt and Iran willings to exchange their places of power for the slim chance of winning a war with israel?  I think not.  

See, you're thinking like someone would if they were dealing with rational thinking...unfortunately, you're not dealing with that at all. Would they give it up? Iran has stated time and time again, vehemently stated there is nothing more important than the complete destruction of Israel. Economic growth, global power, simply the betterment of their society, none of these things outweigh the importance of seeing Israel destroyed. Of course, some will say they don't actually mean it, but people only say this because it sounds crazy...yes, it is crazy, but that's because these people are insane. Crazy people say and do crazy things. As for Egypt, overall they're rather powerless in the grand scheme of things IMO, but they possess the same insanity as Iran.

Let me make a certain point clear, I do not believe all Iranians think this way...quite a few do and the Iranian government most certainly does, but there are good people.

As an interesting side-note, years ago when I used to do personal training I had an Iranian client...her and her family escaped Iran when the whole thing went nuts back in the 1970's. According to her, there is nothing more important to many Iranian's and the Iranian government than the complete destruction of Israel, and that so much focus is and has been put on this it has held this nation back for decades. As another side note, she said she was sad to see our current government evolving into a system a tyranny that reminded her of home. Her and I definitely used to have some interesting conversations.

[OzmO]

We are dealing with rational thinking people.  Don't confuse the drums they beat to both placate and appeal to their  people with the rational approach they have used to take and maintain power since the dispposing of teh shaw and conversely, the power brokers who help shape the leadership in Egypt.  Who's insane in those counties?  Some of the people are, the extremists.  Those are the ones who couldn't govern an ant farm because they are brain washed into a primitive 13th century culture.  However, the ones who deal in the world market place, who run a country and know the countless millions who die as a result of trying to snuff out Israel which end with them losing all and Israel still existing will not ever do anything but raddle their sabers for show.  There might even be exchanges, but all out war with America because attacking Israel is attacking America, will never happen because they will lose and their populace a s a whole will not stand for it or endure it. 

So again, I think not.

[_bruce_]

The "leaders" of many countries are fake psychopaths - esp. the Nafta-nians and euro trashers.

Very dangerous right now as there's the economy in shambles and the US and A has Epic firepower. If, out of "unlucky" events, America unleashes it's true military muscle... even the prophets would wet their panties.

As we speak/write depleted Uranium is being "handed" out by various weapon shafts poisoning battle grounds, civilians and soldiers in current conflicts.
Operation Desert Storm/Shield alone has "donated" 350 tons of this fine material.
Imagine how much would be spread worldwide if a BIG war broke out.

The positive thing about depleted Uranium is that it's half life is just 4.5 billion years... just long enough for the american administration to find Obsama's birth certificate.