can an average nobody that is not fat achieve a 315 legit bench without roids?

[BB]

Wendler's 531 works, Starr's 5x5 works, Coan's bench press stuff works, Hepburn works, old Westside works, etc.....

Honestly, most of the decent mid to low rep programs will work, the key is to be consistant, you can't have training ADD where you change programs every few weeks. Some of the strongest guys use boring programs, they just make sure to show up and grind it out week after week.

Also, assuming form is correct, you can't expect big jumps with a program, personally I'd consider a 10-20lb gain each training cycle to be a great gain for a intermediate level lifter, and even smaller for an advanced lifter.

[purenaturalstrength]

Wendler's 531 works, Starr's 5x5 works, Coan's bench press stuff works, Hepburn works, old Westside works, etc.....

Honestly, most of the decent mid to low rep programs will work, the key is to be consistant, you can't have training ADD where you change programs every few weeks. Some of the strongest guys use boring programs, they just make sure to show up and grind it out week after week.

Also, assuming form is correct, you can't expect big jumps with a program, personally I'd consider a 10-20lb gain each training cycle to be a great gain for a intermediate level lifter, and even smaller for an advanced lifter.

ed coan's bench press program in his video is basically a bodybuilding routine

[supernick]

friend of mine can bench 315 for 8 perfect reps, and hes 100% natural.  I know for a fact hes natural, guy wouldnt touch roids for anything.  Hes pritty weak in everything else though, cuz his whole workout is pritty much benchpressing and he half asses everything else.  He has a huge chest and tris and everythiung else is so so.

[BB]

ed coan's bench press program in his video is basically a bodybuilding routine

It's old school linear periodization with bodybuilding assistance added in, it's good stuff.

[OneMoreRep]

I've seen many guys over the course of my 20 years working out that have been able to not only bench 315 lbs while naturally, but even manage to get 8-10 reps with that weight.

That weight is not all that difficult to move.  If you train for it and progressively increase your weight on the bench via small increments, it is very possible.

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[wes]

You do realize why he was lighter and weak after being so strong and how he gained his strength back quickly was because he was juicing.

It`s certainly possible but the only time I knew him to juice and this is gospel as me and this kid were best friends for many years.........he did 20-40 mgs. of CIBA Labs D-Bol.......that was good shit and I know he never used any injectables.

The guy was driven,and never slacked and once you have a lot of muscle,lose it,muscle memory makes it a helluva` lot easier to get it back especially with this guys work ethic.

[wes]

total BS according to GH15...

ive been saying and giving proof like this for as long as gh15 has been spruiking his loser, "ive never trained a day without roids and never met anyone who doesnt roid" - gospel...

i still meet, from time to time, an old family friend, who is 53 now, currently benching 160kg for 5 strict, controlled, reps..lifetime natural..was doing 180kg in his youth.
(thats 350 and 395 lb for those who havent updated their systems of units). guy's 5'9". naturally lean, naturally virtually hairless, of dutch origin..prolly weighs around 210 from what i can guess, maybe 220.

Lots of very strong guys out there natural and enhanced.

you can`t just make a blanket statement.........well you can,but you shouldn`t.

[chess315]

so anyone want to post a good strength training program designed to increase bench?

benching a lot and strength in general has a lot to do with speed also. Learn how to use hip/leg drive it is very important in benching the most you can also keeping the upper back very tight you should be very tight on the bench all togther dave tate can explain it good watch his videos on youtube i.e dave tate learn to bench or something like that
 
bench day1
bench heavy working up to 3-5 sets of low rep work
dumbell benching 2-3 set 12-20 heavy high rep sets kinda explosive
skull crushers 3 sets or 6 -12 reps
chins/pull downs 2-3 sets

bench day 2
speed benching  6 sets  3 reps 60-70%  or so of you 1 rep max lower normal then pause then bench as fast as possible
close grip benching or close grip floor press 3 set of 4-8 reps
machine rows 3 sets of 10-12 reps
 it is my opinion delt work such as over headpressing will usually hurt you more then help you in the quest to bench a lot

maybe throw in pushdowns/cable or hammer curls and plate raises for delts on either or both days if have extra energy. That would be all of your upper body training. You can be a better powerlifter then bodybuilder natural and look good to.

[j3di3]

i benched closed to 315 when i weighted 90kg, i guess if i kept trying id bench it eventually. it wasn't easy and i used all those powerlifting techniques (arched back, etc) to bench it, but i managed to do it for 1 rep. used to watch tate's videos, that stuff is awesome and helps alot!

there is a kid at my gym who is about 21 years old, weighs 75kg, very lean and kinda skinny looking. he benched 315 easily for 1rm (also arching etc) and probably benched even more than that (i just didnt witness it). he looks 100% natural, even smaller than you pns.

[chess315]

i benched closed to 315 when i weighted 90kg, i guess if i kept trying id bench it eventually. it wasn't easy and i used all those powerlifting techniques (arched back, etc) to bench it, but i managed to do it for 1 rep.

there is a kid at my gym who is about 21 years old, weighs 75kg, very lean and kinda skinny looking. he benched 315 easily for 1rm (also arching etc) and probably benched even more than that (i just didnt witness it). he looks 100% natural, even smaller than you pns.

I got to 315 also knowing nothing of powerlifting techniques and also getting flithy drunk 5 times a week at least

[Obvious Gimmick]

dont be silly 315 is a number only the very obese can obtain 


ps. smolov, its a bitch but it works

[doriancutlerman]

Is this some kind of joke?

I did 315 in high school.  I was a bodybuilder, but there were tons of kids, gassed or not, who smoked that.

3-4 years of training, max, someone should be able to bench at least 300 plus, bodyweight depending.  

[chess315]

Is this some kind of joke?

I did 315 in high school.  I was a bodybuilder, but there were tons of kids, gassed or not, who smoked that.

3-4 years of training, max, someone should be able to bench at least 300 plus, bodyweight depending.  

height comes into play with this also

[Swlabr]

I've literally only seen three people (not including myself) bench over 300 lbs in my life. Yet when I come online, there are 300+ lb benchers everywhere. Odd.

[Dr Dutch]

I've literally only seen three people (not including myself) bench over 300 lbs in my life. Yet when I come online, there are 300+ lb benchers everywhere. Odd.

You should train at a "fitness centrum", Zwabber......

[El Diablo Blanco]

so anyone want to post a good strength training program designed to increase bench?

get off couch, drive in car, go into gym, lift weights, drink shake, leave gym, get in car, drive home, jerk off to tranny porn, take a nap, shower, rinse and repeat.

[Marty Champions]

315 is a great bench especially if you are tall since you are moving the weight more distance

[Voland]

NO FUCKING WAY.
A lean (12%bf max) nattie can not bench 315. Never believe otherwise.
Forget about repping that out.

[purenaturalstrength]

my max is 130kilograms and it was not even legit since my ass got off the bench

[Dr Dutch]

my max is 130kilograms and it was not even legit since my ass got off the bench

That's not bad, my friend..

[MCWAY]

dude, why dont you just start using steroids? i really dont understand why youve overcomplicated it to the point that you have - just stick the needle in your ass and work out! no need for creating all of these different scenarios to justify using  or not using

He doesn't need to do that. The problem (assuming this isn't just a gimmick or troll) is that he thinks that he either has to stay lean (or small) and be weak or get "fat" to be bigger and stronger.

NOBODY puts on pure muscle all of the time, steroids or no steroids. That's a fact of life. If you're training without anabolics, the likelihood his that when you train and eat for size, 50-60% of your gains will be muscle. But didn't a certain Austrian guy say something to the effect of "You can't sculpt a pebble; you sculpt a big piece of granite"?

If you want size and strength, train for size and strength. Worry about being lean later.

[purenaturalstrength]

That's not bad, my friend..

it is still vvery far removed from 315lbs for a legit rep which would be 143kg or so

stuart mc robert writes a nobody can achieve a 315 bench

so far i dont see this happening within 5 years

[dustin]

I've literally only seen three people (not including myself) bench over 300 lbs in my life. Yet when I come online, there are 300+ lb benchers everywhere. Odd.

Exactly, man!!!

I posted religiously on bodybuilding.com and was amazed at how everyone on the internet was a massive beast throwing around crazy weights. I lifted as hard as I could and ended up smoking 315lbs but realized it was just a handful of people that actually lifted that heavy in real life. A few legit naturals I knew, a few juicers and that was about it. It's not like it's too tough or anything but it goes to show how much people lie online. I've been to multiple gyms and also trained at a few gyms in the US anytime I went down there, and it was the same shit down there too.

The one good thing about that though is that it showed me how strong the mind is too. I probably never would have pressed over 135lbs had I heard about "how heavy" people online were lifting. I didn't think it was possible until I heard of people supposedly throwing around big weights like it was nothing. I lifted as hard as I could and made sure to continually progress and then I hit all my goals. It made me realize that a lot of it is in our heads too. If I didn't think that it was super easy, I probably would have kept all the mental roadblocks in place and never lifted heavy at all. I'm glad that people online are insecure pieces of shit because it worked out in my favour.

[Voland]

my max is 130kilograms and it was not even legit since my ass got off the bench

hmmm high 280s...i have to call bs.
I don't doubt you could've moved the bar but i wasn't a legit rep.
on a side note who gives a shit. Benching is for tools. And maxing out is for retarded tools. Use 1-2 plates per side, rep out, and grow.

[purenaturalstrength]

He doesn't need to do that. The problem (assuming this isn't just a gimmick or troll) is that he thinks that he either has to stay lean (or small) and be weak or get "fat" to be bigger and stronger.

NOBODY puts on pure muscle all of the time, steroids or no steroids. That's a fact of life. If you're training without anabolics, the likelihood his that when you train and eat for size, 50-60% of your gains will be muscle. But didn't a certain Austrian guy say something to the effect of "You can't sculpt a pebble; you sculpt a big piece of granite"?

If you want size and strength, train for size and strength. Worry about being lean later.

i actually stay lean and small despite eating plenty amounts of calories even a lot of "crap" too and no cardio

still i would hate to be fat, it shortens ur dick