can an average nobody that is not fat achieve a 315 legit bench without roids?

[Jaime]

what's your PR on weighted dips?

mine was bodyweight plus 100 pounds added for 6 good reps

I Just added them in a couple of months ago, I'm doing two 45's for 15. Not sure low reps because i have been working out at home lately.

I do that for about 3 sets diminishing then take a plate out then 7 sets just going to failure.

Then 5 more sets no resistance to failure.

Before i did weighted i just did bodyweight real high volume, really leaning forward, stretch at the bottom.

It hits my chest really well.

[Metabolic]

Depending on natural bw and proportions, a 6'5 natural with good genetics in arms at 200 or so that has trained for years should be able to bench 315 without much trouble

[Mawse]

love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.

golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there

my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.

315 natural is super-respectable.

[dj181]

love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.

golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there

my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.

315 natural is super-respectable.

EX-FUCKING-ACTLY

maybe these 315 benchers are using the old bridge and bounce technique

[randy841]

Quite ironic how everyone thinks so and so who does XXX amount of weight is "in fact" a natural.  
So was Pat Banana Republic. In his circles, he's "in fact" a saint.  

"In fact", some are so sure, they are willing to provide the random tests they put their best friends through.  

Most can respect the #'s whether on/off the sauce, surely not the lies. Strength isn't everyone's cup of tea.

However, do realize that human nature is predicated on lies. Everyone lies. Your parents, your children, your girlfriend, and YOUR BEST FRIEND(S).

"In fact", your girlfriend is a whore.

"In fact", most of these delusional prophets don't know that their wife is fucking the neighbors pool boy, till the day the divorce lawyer calls them and lets them know divorce number 5 is on the way.

"In fact", your president lies to you (i.e. Bush).

Yet, you think your best friend is the paragon of truth.  

[dustin]

love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.

golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there

my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.

315 natural is super-respectable.

Well not to be too argumentative, but if someone's a tiny tit like me it's a lot more plausible that they'll be dipping and doing pull ups with multiple 45lb plates. There are lots of kids on youtube.com with videos of it too, so it's not far fetched. They definitely don't look juiced up either.

Strength isn't very hard to build and anyone can do it too. It's not exclusive like building muscle and creating an impressive physique. There are little girl Chinese olympic lifters throwing up weights that you wouldn't believe until you saw it. For someone to be huge and ripped you need drugs, but for building strength you can look shitty as hell and still be strong as an ox. And drug free too.

[randy841]

Well not to be too argumentative, but if someone's a tiny tit like me it's a lot more plausible that they'll be dipping and doing pull ups with multiple 45lb plates. There are lots of kids on youtube.com with videos of it too, so it's not far fetched. They definitely don't look juiced up either.

Strength isn't very hard to build and anyone can do it too. It's not exclusive like building muscle and creating an impressive physique. There are little girl Chinese olympic lifters throwing up weights that you wouldn't believe until you saw it. For someone to be huge and ripped you need drugs, but for building strength you can look shitty as hell and still be strong as an ox. And drug free too.

"They definitely don't look juiced up either."

You don't have to look juiced up to be juiced.

Categorically lighter competing lifters - don't have much room to play around with their weight. So they play around with orals, that don't allow much room for mistakes i.e. halos, var, winny etc. Most of the time these types of users are hard to discern from the naturals. The fat pigs - in the heavier classes can get away with anything and everything.

Most of those average gym rats (non competing) who want to claim natural (yet impress with strength) use the right drugs without the juiced up look. NOBODY KNOWS THIS BETTER THAN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE NATURALS. And no one would know the difference until they piled on 4 plates on the bench.

Bodybuilders such as Pat Banana Republic come in many different shapes, sizes, and colors. These include strength athletes also, who have the same conundrum of having done it naturally, or doing it naturally.

[Metabolic]

I am amazed that, first, many failed to take in account body proportions and size of the hypothetical lifter and second, that soome people might find 315 @200 LOLROIDS. Its a 1.5 bench aprox and some people, specially fat-er lifters are easily 200 lbs, granted, youd have to be a naturally tall guy and not lean with some years of training on.

Luckily no once cares fo my posts and noticed my math mistake   

[V Man]

OK,nobody will believe me but here goes!

I used to train with a black guy I grew up with.........he started training at 14 years old,by the time he was 18-19,he could do cheat curls with 225 for a couple good sets of 5 reps,squat 405 deep for 8 reps or so,do flyes in good form with the 80 pounders,cheat side raises with the 75`s,bench 315 foe a solid 6 reps.


The most dedicated person I ever met......great genetics and a work ethic like I haven`t seen to this day.

These two statements reveal your story as a complete fabrication.





 

[WOOO]

i wonder

in high school

[supernick]

These two statements reveal your story as a complete fabrication.





 

[tlc]

LOL, Zane (5'9", 190lb@4%bf) was a twink and the average skinny-fat dude can bench 315 with a few years natural training? Some of you people are mentally ill.

Useless exercise anyway.

[chess315]

LOL, Zane (5'9", 190lb@4%bf) was a twink and the average skinny-fat dude can bench 315 with a few years natural training? Some of you people are mentally ill.

Useless exercise anyway.

if your not short and know how to train for strength 315 is very reachable natural case closed. You will play hell getting to it natural with bodybuilding training though. Most people even a lot of people that have tried to bench a lot for 5-10 years simply don't know how to position themselves correctly how to use hip drive and many other tricks to milk the most lbs out of it. I have seen guys that are prolly stronger then me that cant bench 300-315 at the gym year after year trying to get to 300 lol simply because there technique for benching a lot sux big time. Speed is important also you have to be able to explode into the bar if you wan't to generate maximum force. That requires your legs to be engaged and whole body tight.

 close grip benching and speed presses will prolly do more for benching strength then any other movements

[Wolfsanglerune]

the way i look at chest day is if fail to get what im wanting with 315 or 365 i just go with it and get good set another exercise.overload and stimulate.

[MCWAY]

love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.

golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there

my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.

315 natural is super-respectable.

Based on what?

What are their bodyweights and heights? I couldn't hit 315 on the bench, until I got over 200 lbs at 5'9". That was back in 1996.

Now, I incline with 315, usually for 6 to 10 reps. Current bodyweight (as of last Monday), 241.

[Mawse]

Based on what?

What are their bodyweights and heights? I couldn't hit 315 on the bench, until I got over 200 lbs at 5'9". That was back in 1996.

Now, I incline with 315, usually for 6 to 10 reps. Current bodyweight (as of last Monday), 241.

humor me because I might have misunderstood you... you're not claiming to be natural and doing 315 on the incline for 10 reps are you? If so, are you Mike O'Hearn?

[jakesonyou]

You won't see any 8% natural bodybuilders bench anything in the 300s I can guarantee.  A healthy guy around 15% bodyfat could press in the 300lbs range.  That is about the max you will ever see.  Someone 20-25% bodyfat, a face stuffer powerlifter could perhaps lift in the high 300s.

the argument can be made...  3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift as a natural bodybuilder.

hope this helps

Jakesonyou

[chess315]

You won't see any 8% natural bodybuilders bench anything in the 300s I can guarantee.  A healthy guy around 15% bodyfat could press in the 300lbs range.  That is about the max you will ever see.  Someone 20-25% bodyfat, a face stuffer powerlifter could perhaps lift in the high 300s.

the argument can be made...  3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift as a natural bodybuilder.

hope this helps

Jakesonyou

I have seen naturals near 8% get 400 not bodybuilders but it is theroticaly possible not with average genetics though thats for sure. Any prison in usa has prolly 5-15 of them

[purenaturalstrength]

what's your PR on weighted dips?

mine was bodyweight plus 100 pounds added for 6 good reps

i did 55kilogram for 6 reps (full range with shoulders underneath elbows)


i quit doing it since it didnt help pressing power apparently

[BigCyp]

We had another guy who powerlifted........weigh ed 198..........370 bench in a contest with a pause.

Some guys are just cockstrong and built for power......thick bones and built like tanks.

Problem on boards these days Wes, is that most people forget that we were not all born with the same bones/joints/ligaments as eachother. Thats why a % of BB is an illusion, you look stronger because of size etc.

I have a pal in  Aus 'Mark Woods' used to BB but stopped before trying for pro and started his own very successful strongman show. This guy 'looks' like he could only lift (insert weight here lol) but he rolls up half inch thick frying pans, benches crazy, does all sorts of stupid stuff with big axes weighted with dumbells etc - mad strength on this guy. He tells me that even before he started BB he knew he was strong, and only got into the strongman stuff after he ripped up a yellow pages book (legit rip/not youtube kids way with air pockets etc) and his son was like WTF dad you should do a show lol

I agree with Jamie/Dustin, the only time I bench over 225 is for ego and if i'm doing 1RM with the power guys once a fortnight at my gym. Anything over that, and I can feel my shoulder joints clicking/back starts to lift off bench etc

[Grape Ape]

Late to the game on this thread.

I've done it twice, both using the program that is linked below.   I did it at a body weight of about 182.  I'm have small joints, and shitty, short muscle bellies.

It's really all about the individual, in terms of relative easy/difficulty - there's too many varying factors.   But, I think it's safe to say that it's not easily obtainable overall, since you see so many who don't rep out with 215, let alone 315.

http://medlem.spray.se/damienthorne/MM2KBenchProgram.htm

This program lays it all out for you - you figure out your 1RM, and follow the excel progression tables that tell you what weight to use.  It takes about 50 days to add about 40-50lbs to your max.   Not a bodybuilding program.

[BigCyp]

You won't see any 8% natural bodybuilders bench anything in the 300s I can guarantee.  A healthy guy around 15% bodyfat could press in the 300lbs range.  That is about the max you will ever see.  Someone 20-25% bodyfat, a face stuffer powerlifter could perhaps lift in the high 300s.

the argument can be made...  3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift as a natural bodybuilder.

hope this helps

Jakesonyou

From my years in the gym, I would roughly agree with those numbers mate. Obviously you have to throw in the mix crazy gym rats who live for their numbers (who will be pressing 5-10% more than most lifters), and freaks that are just stronger than the normal population.

I remember one time training with a mate from Ghana, while we were in Prague on holiday (don't go to czech rep. if you are black - eventually you will get pissed off with everyone haha anyway) so he doesn't train at all, but is a thick guy naturally - so we train bench and I do my 2nd set with 225 (it took me a couple years of training to first get that lol) and I rack the weight and start taking the plates off for his set. He looks at me funny and goes "Nah man, put another of the 10s each side I reckon I could do more than that" So I laugh and go what the hell and put it up to 270.

No joke (he does not train) he gets underneath the f'kn bar and lifts it for a good 4 reps before I even have to touch the bar. Safely to say I was pissed off hahahahahahahaha

[wes]

These two statements reveal your story as a complete fabrication.





 

[OTHstrong]

love how these threads bring out the bullshitters with their little engine that could tales of all the 100% naturals they know who are benching 10+ reps with 3 plates.

golds venice - never see anyone go over 3 plates who isn't an obvious juicepig and even then hardly anyone benches 3-4 + plates there

my rust + chains PLing gym - only 2-3 of the naturals are going over 3 plates raw.

315 natural is super-respectable.

Haha, true, now you are going to love this, I did 315 in high school,my high school had 2500 people and only 3 of us could crack 3 plates, started juicing when I was 23 but by then had already done 365 without gear, it's not hard to believe if you've been there and done it, of course if you
 have never been strong it's hard to believe                                     

[tommywishbone]

Bench press 315 pounds? Never. Impossible. Negative. Can't be done. No.