Author Topic: can an average nobody that is not fat achieve a 315 legit bench without roids?  (Read 30502 times)

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Haha, true, now you are going to love this, I did 315 in high school,my high school had 2500 people and only 3 of us could crack 3 plates, started juicing when I was 23 but by then had already done 365 without gear, it's not hard to believe if you've been there and done it, of course if you
 have never been strong it's hard to believe                                     
Stats for the 365?

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humor me because I might have misunderstood you... you're not claiming to be natural and doing 315 on the incline for 10 reps are you? If so, are you Mike O'Hearn?



The most I've done with 315 is 9. The most weight and reps I've done on inclines period is 325 for 8.

No, I am not Mike O'Hearn. I'm nowhere near his size.

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You won't see any 8% natural bodybuilders bench anything in the 300s I can guarantee.  A healthy guy around 15% bodyfat could press in the 300lbs range.  That is about the max you will ever see.  Someone 20-25% bodyfat, a face stuffer powerlifter could perhaps lift in the high 300s.

the argument can be made...  3 plates max for a press, 4 for a back squat, and 5 for a deadlift as a natural bodybuilder.

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As Lee Haney used to say, "Fat don't flex" and it doesn't lift poundages either.

It isn't the high bodyfat that allows people to lift. It the MUSCLE that allows them to move that weight.

Folks that don't obsess with being ripped year round can bulk up and put on the raw size (muscle and fat) needed to move the big plates. Why do you think guys like Ronnie were WAY OVER 300 POUNDS in the off-season?

If someone bulks up to 250 at 20% bodyfat and cuts down to about 205 or 210 at 8% bodyfat, you really think he won't be able to push over 300 (for reps) on his bench?


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Stats for the 365?
23, 5'9 190, 10% bodyfat , maybe less, on gear got to about 245, 515 on bench, always the strongest bencher

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Haha, true, now you are going to love this, I did 315 in high school,my high school had 2500 people and only 3 of us could crack 3 plates, started juicing when I was 23 but by then had already done 365 without gear, it's not hard to believe if you've been there and done it, of course if you
 have never been strong it's hard to believe
                                   

yeah, that has  to be it.

I've benched 455 raw with a pause and 700 in a shirt, and I still think 315 is super impressive for a natural.

The guy who claims 315x10 incline natural, lol.. just lol.


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yeah, that has  to be it.

I've benched 455 raw with a pause and 700 in a shirt, and I still think 315 is super impressive for a natural.

The guy who claims 315x10 incline natural, lol.. just lol.



Even on flat, for good clean reps naturally is damn near impossible. Unless you are predisposed to being a big fucker anyways. Meso, fat boy corn fed homo.

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I benched 315 the first time I attempted it. Not sure what my max would be now. But I also curled a 75 pound dumbbell for a 1 rep max so I'm naturally very strong.

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Even on flat, for good clean reps naturally is damn near impossible. Unless you are predisposed to being a big fucker anyways. Meso, fat boy corn fed homo.

Not really!! I'm more of an ectomorph. But, I still have to bulk up past 200 lbs to move 315 ONCE. It took about two or three years, before I starting doing that much for reps on the flat bench. And, back in the day, I could barely afford weight gainer, much less anabolics.

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yeah, that has  to be it.

I've benched 455 raw with a pause and 700 in a shirt, and I still think 315 is super impressive for a natural.

The guy who claims 315x10 incline natural, lol.. just lol.


Bro no offence but you claim 700 and you are calling out on the BS, not starting with you,  but I hope you are prepared to back up your claims here on getbig, video or something,..... 315 is peanuts, lots of naturals can do this, 315 on incline for ten, now thats a different ballpark, not impossible but more then likely the one who claims it is probably lying, not sure who you are referring too, have to go back and check, if it' Mcway you are referring to he has been here along time n has never been known as a liar

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Why do you think guys like Ronnie were WAY OVER 300 POUNDS in the off-season?



massive water retention from different types of drugs and not so much at all an increase in bodyfat?

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Late to the game on this thread.

I've done it twice, both using the program that is linked below.   I did it at a body weight of about 182.  I'm have small joints, and shitty, short muscle bellies.

It's really all about the individual, in terms of relative easy/difficulty - there's too many varying factors.   But, I think it's safe to say that it's not easily obtainable overall, since you see so many who don't rep out with 215, let alone 315.

http://medlem.spray.se/damienthorne/MM2KBenchProgram.htm

This program lays it all out for you - you figure out your 1RM, and follow the excel progression tables that tell you what weight to use.  It takes about 50 days to add about 40-50lbs to your max.   Not a bodybuilding program.

thanks for this program, i'm studying it right now

gotta get that 315lbs gotta get it goddamnit

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Yes, absolutely OP.

315 for 5 reps weighing 208 at a natural 10-12% bf was my best.  I do have a shorter reach then most though so my range of motion to move that weight is not as long.  <--- I don't think this is anything special either, but just pointing out that a 315 natural bench is not uncommon by any means (not being fat btw).

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Yes, absolutely OP.

315 for 5 reps weighing 208 at a natural 10-12% bf was my best.  I do have a shorter reach then most though so my range of motion to move that weight is not as long.  <--- I don't think this is anything special either, but just pointing out that a 315 natural bench is not uncommon by any means (not being fat btw).
what programs did you use or did you "just lift"

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i put up 365 natty  8) 8) 8)

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i think i must have long arms because my bench is horrid compared to my deadlift

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Bro no offence but you claim 700 and you are calling out on the BS, not starting with you,  but I hope you are prepared to back up your claims here on getbig, video or something,..... 315 is peanuts, lots of naturals can do this, 315 on incline for ten, now thats a different ballpark, not impossible but more then likely the one who claims it is probably lying, not sure who you are referring too, have to go back and check, if it' Mcway you are referring to he has been here along time n has never been known as a liar

He may be referring to me. But, as I said, the most I've done with 315 on the incline was 9 (which I just did earlier today).

I do not and have not taken steroids, HGH, insulin, clenbuterol, etc. Let's put it this say: Anything I ingest, other than regular food, can be purchased at your average card-carrying sports nutrition store (i.e. GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, Vitamin World).


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This thread is fucking ridiculous. I can count on one hand who I've seen benching 315, and they were all fat pieces of shit. Now you guys are under 10 percent but benching 365?  ::) ::)

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This thread is fucking ridiculous. I can count on one hand who I've seen benching 315, and they were all fat pieces of shit. Now you guys are under 10 percent but benching 365?  ::) ::)
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This thread is fucking ridiculous. I can count on one hand who I've seen benching 315, and they were all fat pieces of shit. Now you guys are under 10 percent but benching 365?  ::) ::)

yes, they are full of shit

a 315 bench by a lifetime natty is very, very rare

we're talking a legit bench here with no bridge or bounce and a slight pause at the chest

315 lifetime natty BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

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yes, they are full of shit

a 315 bench by a lifetime natty is very, very rare

we're talking a legit bench here with no bridge or bounce and a slight pause at the chest

315 lifetime natty BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!


PLEASE!!!

I could bench 315 over 15 years ago, back in college. All I could afford was weight gainer and that cheap GNC Challenge Milk and Egg protein powder.

Nobody made the claim of being under 10% bodyfat. That falls on people like you and Goomba, who are more worried about your abs than your poundages.

If you want size and strength, train for that first and foremost and worry about getting ripped later. Dollars to donuts, when you can hit 315 for reps and you later diet down to 10% bodyfat or less, there will actually be some muscle there beside abdominals.

But the presence or absence of bodyfat has ZILCH to do with how much you can bench.

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massive water retention from different types of drugs and not so much at all an increase in bodyfat?

There ain't that much water in the world. Bodybuilders have offseason for a reason. Guys who tend to be ripped year-round tend to be smaller, year-round.

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Where the hell are you clowns lifting to barely see somebody ever hit 315 w/o being on gear?

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i think i must have long arms because my bench is horrid compared to my deadlift
same here

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I hate to be one of those old guys that talk about "base", but out of curiosity, what is the is the training age of the guys here saying that #315 is a giant weight? How much of that was actually hard, structured training? And how much of that was natural?

If you've only been training 2-3 years, you can't say this isn't possible or that isn't possible because you just don't have enough time actually lifting to understand it. Also if you jumped on the needle early, your vision will be cloudy, because you haven't seen what could be done naturally strength wise.

Go to a legitimate powerlifting board like outlawpowerlifting, etc.... and ask some of the older guys that lifted both naturally and enhanced whether #315 is that big of a number, it is, but it isn't. You'll see that it just takes a decent number of years of low rep training, etc..... for a guy in the #181-220 range.  Now, I won't lie and say that you can get to #405 without really packing on the pounds, but low to mid three's is totally possible, especially for a 200lb + man, whose been training multiple years in the low rep brackets.

Now it's hard to show proof of being drug free because the birth of the bench press and powerlifting coincides pretty close to the age of steroids, but you can look up the olympic press results for the non-steroid years, and you'll see that there were a decent amount of guys from the light heavy weights up that were pressing in the #200-275 range during those years. Generally, if a man can stand and press over #200 with no leg drive, he'll be close to, or over #300 on the flat bench, in some cases much more.






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Where the hell are you clowns lifting to barely see somebody ever hit 315 w/o being on gear?


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