Zimmerman - Self Defense Class or Benching 500 an Up? whats next?

[Kwon_2]

Why has this turned into a white vs black thing? That guy is so not white.

Regardless, he murded that black dude, thug or not.

Self-defence, not murder.

[iwantmass]

Between Wiggs, 240 is Back and E-Kul, you guys must have a collective iq of 110.

He did not chase Trayvon, he followed him.  Trayvon initiated the confrontation as Zimmerman was headed back to his vehicle.

Trayvon was a known violent offender, drug user (which he was on drugs as Zimmerman pointed out to the 911 operator), and thief.

Do the 3 of you just ignore the unedited phone call and still focus on the CNN butchered version.  Thats pretty idiotic. 

If a person follows you and attacks you, ravaging your head into the ground spouting the word "You are gonna die tonight", I would expect you to shoot that person in the same scenario.

The hoodie had nothing to do with it, nor did the skittles or the ice tea.  Thats sheer black ignorance and lack of accountability as usual.

[Radical Plato]

Between Wiggs, 240 is Back and E-Kul, you guys must have a collective iq of 110.

He did not chase Trayvon, he followed him.  Trayvon initiated the confrontation as Zimmerman was headed back to his vehicle.

Trayvon was a known violent offender, drug user (which he was on drugs as Zimmerman pointed out to the 911 operator), and thief.

Do the 3 of you just ignore the unedited phone call and still focus on the CNN butchered version.  Thats pretty idiotic.  

If a person follows you and attacks you, ravaging your head into the ground spouting the word "You are gonna die tonight", I would expect you to shoot that person in the same scenario.

The hoodie had nothing to do with it, nor did the skittles or the ice tea.  Thats sheer black ignorance and lack of accountability as usual.

First you admit George followed Trayvon, and then later you claim Trayvon was following Zimmerpig.  You sound just like George, making up any old shit as you please.  

Trayvon has no police record as you claim, unlike George, who has been arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." his ex partner also accused him of domestic violence and his cousin claims he molested her for over a decade.  

Trayvon had smoked pot before, but so do many high school kids, and the level found in Trayvons system at the time of the shooting was not considered at the level of performance enhancing.  On the other hand, at the time of the shooting, Zimmerpig was on Temazepam (a potent benzo), known to cause “aggressiveness” and “hallucinations,”

And you final conclusion is bizarre, even though you admitted George was following Trayvon, you conclude it is the other way around.  You then suggest that Trayvon, who is causally walking back from the store without motive follows and attacks and begins to attempt to murder George.  What possible motive would a 17 year old boy walking back to his fathers house after buying some refreshments at the store have to suddenly decide to attack and murder someone.  Did Trayvon suddenly have a psychotic break from reality and go on a killing rampage coincidentally at the same time he was being watched, followed and reported to the police as being suspicious by a fat criminal, cousin molesting, wanna be cop/hero, drug affected loser.  

The saddest thing about this case is that it has attracted every racist and gun Nutter in America.  The worst ones are the Racist Gun Nutters.  

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[calfzilla]

Fat pig needs to spen the rest of his life in prison for killing that chocolate face.

[Radical Plato]

It always amazes me how many people identify with a fat, cousin molesting, wife beating, drug taking, wanna be cop/hero, murdering criminal like Zimmerpig.  

Everyone knows he is guilty, why do you think he waived his right to a pre-trial Stand Your Ground hearing which would have given the judge the discretion to free Zimmerman, eliminating the need for a trial. Why would he do this, because he knows a judge will see through his bullshit and send him straight to jail.  The fat pig is relying on a jury to decide the case, the hope is to select enough racist NRA Crazies to let George off the hook.  Knowing America is full of Racist NRA crazies they may well succeed at this.  Personally I prefer the fat Zimmerpig goes free, it will be nice to see someone hunt the fat pig down, shoot him in cold blood and then claim stand your ground.

Look how disgusting this fat pig is.

[iwantmass]

If you don't know the difference in aggression between following and chasing someone, you are biased an even dumber than I thought (Could be both).  I can follow someone from 200 yards, and am in no way invading their personal space.  Trayvon made the initial confrontation yet you continue to fail to admit that in all of your fantastic posts.  You also continue to omit the actual phone call vs the manufactured one, which you base all your info on.

Zimmerman said that Trayvon acted as if he was on drugs, and poof what do you know, he was on drugs.  Who are you or me to say what level of drugs was required to be in his system to appear under the influence.  

Zimmerman absolutely was on his way back to the vehicle which is information readily available via the 'REAL' phone call, yet you keep citing your information from the manufactured one.

[Kwon_2]

It always amazes me how many people identify with a fat, cousin molesting, wife beating, drug taking, wanna be cop/hero, murdering criminal like Zimmerpig.  

Look how disgusting this fat pig is.

He did the community a good service.

He got rid of a thug.

Good Citizen


Bad Citizen

[iwantmass]

And by the way lack of police record is in no way the same of lack of being involved in criminal activities.  He wasn't suspended multiple times for selling lolli pops.  Go spin your bull shit elsewhere.  If you are gonna engage in an argument, rely on actual facts and not CNN

[Radical Plato]

If you don't know the difference in aggression between following and chasing someone, you are biased an even dumber than I thought (Could be both).  I can follow someone from 200 yards, and am in no way invading their personal space.  Trayvon made the initial confrontation yet you continue to fail to admit that in all of your fantastic posts.  You also continue to omit the actual phone call vs the manufactured one, which you base all your info on.

Zimmerman said that Trayvon acted as if he was on drugs, and poof what do you know, he was on drugs.  Who are you or me to say what level of drugs was required to be in his system to appear under the influence.  

Zimmerman absolutely was on his way back to the vehicle which is information readily available via the 'REAL' phone call, yet you keep citing your information from the manufactured one.

They tested Trayvon that's how they know.  You Zimmerpig supporters aren't too bright, it is easy to determine the level of drugs in someone's system.  It has nothing to do with opinion, their is solid evidence.  The sad part is, the racist cops never tested Zimmerpig, who was on powerful benzos that would obviously have affected his judgement.

You can't follow then confront someone and claim the other person has initiated the confrontation.  Zimmerpig has admitted to both of these things, he followed and then confronted Trayvon.  It is obvious that the situation could have simply been avoided had Zimmerpig minded his own business and not acted on his paranoid delusions..  He was a known serial reporter to emergency services, constantly ringing to report trivial things like garage doors left open.  he obviously has serious psyche issues, he molested his cousin for over a decade, that is not the behaviour of a normal dude.  

I have listened to the entire phone call, it's just as incriminating as any of the edited ones I have heard.  The guy admits, he thinks Trayvon is a punk criminal who is about to get away with something, his call to 911 highlights his extreme paranoia and delusions of being some type of cop/hero.    The thing I find craziest about all this is how normal the average american thinks it is to ring 9/11 to report someone just walking in public.  That's not normal behaviour, it is proof that Zimmerpig was a paranoid pest who was heading for disaster, and the fat Pig found it.

[iwantmass]

I can't argue with you.  Zimmerman never had a shot in your eyes.  For the 2nd time, you have admitted you don't know the difference between the words "Confront", "Follow", and "Chase".  Its not my business to teach you a grasp of the English language.  Sadly in all of your copy and paste episodes from propaganda/conspiracy websites, you've never actually learned to articulate your own opinions because your vocabulary is that of an autistic 5 year old. 

They tested Travyon and...................dr ugs were in his system.................. .....which means he could have been acting under the influence.  I never said they didn't know if he had drugs in his system, I said the potency of drugs in his system aren't a reliable way to validate how one individual would behave vs the next.  For instance some people act completely intoxicated at .06 blood alcohol while some won't see that impairment until .12 or higher.

I don't expect you to understand any of what I just typed as your reading comprehension puts you with Derrick Todd Lee, look him up, he was probably innocent too.

[Radical Plato]

And by the way lack of police record is in no way the same of lack of being involved in criminal activities. He wasn't suspended multiple times for selling lolli pops.  Go spin your bull shit elsewhere.  If you are gonna engage in an argument, rely on actual facts and not CNN

Are you mad bro, are you upset because there is no proof of Trayvon being a criminal and undeniable proof that George is a criminal.  Trayvon was suspended one time for being late to school (Crime of the century right there), another time for writing "WTF" on a school locker and a third time for having an empty bag believed to contain marijuana residue. (Gee, this guy sounds like the next Al Capone)

On the other hand George has been arrested for assaulting Police, his ex partner claims he used to beat her and his cousin alleges he molested her for over a decade, an ex work mate claimed George harassed, bullied and racially vilified him while at work and the victim even wrote a letter to management highlighting his concerns.  When he heard of what George did he said he wasn't surprised and that he thought George was a psychopath.

George was always going to end up in serious trouble, the progression was there, the long term molestation of his cousin, assaulting his wife, bullying co workers, assaulting police and finally murdering an unarmed innocent teenager.  Their are no surprises in this case.  Thug psychopath masquerading as a good guy kills innocent person and hopes to use his contacts and inside knowledge to get away with it and is now really pissed of because he is beginning to realise he wasn't as smart as he thought he was.

[Radical Plato]

I can't argue with you.  Zimmerman never had a shot in your eyes.  For the 2nd time, you have admitted you don't know the difference between the words "Confront", "Follow", and "Chase".  Its not my business to teach you a grasp of the English language.  Sadly in all of your copy and paste episodes from propaganda/conspiracy websites, you've never actually learned to articulate your own opinions because your vocabulary is that of an autistic 5 year old.  

They tested Travyon and...................dr ugs were in his system.................. .....which means he could have been acting under the influence.  I never said they didn't know if he had drugs in his system, I said the potency of drugs in his system aren't a reliable way to validate how one individual would behave vs the next.  For instance some people act completely intoxicated at .06 blood alcohol while some won't see that impairment until .12 or higher.

I don't expect you to understand any of what I just typed as your reading comprehension puts you with Derrick Todd Lee, look him up, he was probably innocent too.

marijuana is not alcohol,  trace metabolites can stay in your system for months after last usage.  Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the Trayvons blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), Someone who is stoned (under the influence would routinely register 100 to 200 ng/ml.  The cutoff level for marijuana metabolite while driving in some states is 2 ng/ml, Trayvon was well under the limit that is acceptable to drive a vehicle.  His level of THC clearly indicates he wasn't under the influence of Cannabis.  THC has also been known to spike after death in certain areas of the body because of redistribution.

And it is neither here nor there, as marijuana is linked with non-violence, and not the other way around.  The only person who was on drugs known to cause aggression and violence was Zimmerpig.  Zimmerpig was on Temazepam (a potent benzo), known to cause “aggressiveness” and “hallucinations,”

[iwantmass]

Trayvon was the only one to commit a violent act but you already knew that.  And you didn't listen to the unaltered phone call or you would know who made the confrontation.  You have proven that you lie to support your argument which makes it hard to tell which parts of you arguments are valid.  Go look for the real phone call.  It's all there.  Stop postong nonsense youtube excerpts,  thats ow misinformation started in the first place. 

On a side note I'm going to start calling you C- as I expect that had to br your grade in english comprehension

[Radical Plato]

Trayvon was the only one to commit a violent act but you already knew that.  And you didn't listen to the unaltered phone call or you would know who made the confrontation.  You have proven that you lie to support your argument which makes it hard to tell which parts of you arguments are valid.  Go look for the real phone call.  It's all there.  Stop postong nonsense youtube excerpts,  thats ow misinformation started in the first place.  

On a side note I'm going to start calling you C- as I expect that had to br your grade in english comprehension

I've heard the whole phone-call to 9/11, it is very incriminating.  It is obvious you are using this case to confirm your racist world view.  If it was a 17 year old white girl gunned down in the same circumstances you would be outraged.

Zimmerpig was quite the paranoid freak.

As the watch volunteer at the 260-unit Retreat at Twin Lakes, he became a paranoid pest — peppering 911 with at least 46 calls. They varied in urgency, but in the last year focused mostly on black men or boys.

That included a “suspicious” 7- to 9-year-old boy with a “skinny build” and short black hair.

In November 2006, he called to report a red Toyota pickup truck “driving real slow” around the neighborhood for five minutes.

In September 2009, he called about a “yellow speed bike” weaving in and out of traffic and doing “wheelies.”

A month later, Zimmerman was hot on the scent of an “aggressive white and brown dog.”

And last August, he reported a black man he believed was “involved in recent” burglaries.

This man should be locked up just for being a serial paranoid pest, let alone for the cold blooded murder he committed.  The guy is a freak of the highest order.  I'm simply amazed there are so many freaks out there that actually identify with such an obvious deviant.

[iwantmass]

Hmm, when all else fails who would have guess you to throw around the word "racist".   It's not worth my time to argue with a high school educated nut job that constantly pastes half truths and fallacies to support his case.

Fact: trayvon confronted and assaulted Zimmerman as is clear by the phone call.  You can try to pervert the facts to your liking all that you want.

The levels you listed for marijuana values are peak values 8 minutes after smoking.   Trayvon martins levels were consistent with smoking 3-6 hours ealier.  But yet again I have a feeling you knew this.

By the way, you seem to be the only one content to bring race into this.  Not once have I implied anything racist but than again if I had your wit,  I would resort to frivolous low blows too

When in doubt cry racism

[Radical Plato]

Hmm, when all else fails who would have guess you to throw around the word "racist".   It's not worth my time to argue with a high school educated nut job that constantly pastes half truths and fallacies to support his case.

Fact: trayvon confronted and assaulted Zimmerman as is clear by the phone call.  You can try to pervert the facts to your liking all that you want.

The levels you listed for marijuana values are peak values 8 minutes after smoking.   Trayvon martins levels were consistent with smoking 3-6 hours ealier.  But yet again I have a feeling you knew this.

By the way, you seem to be the only one content to bring race into this.  Not once have I implied anything racist but than again if I had your wit,  I would resort to frivolous low blows too

When in doubt cry racism

Dispatcher

He's running? Which way is he running?

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now walking. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

Zimmerman

Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

Dispatcher

Are you following him?

Zimmerman

Yeah.

Dispatcher

Ok, we don't need you to do that.

By Georges own admission he admits Trayvon running away from him and that he deliberately follows him.  Also your marijuana argument only helps trayvon, as it proves he is less likely to indulge in violence rather than the other way around.  You seem to ignore the murderer was on a powerful drug well known to produce violent behaviour.  And to deny the racist aspect to this is disingenuous, every KKK and black hating movement in the country has applauded Zimmerpig.  So has every freak who wants to conceal carry and shoot anybody they feel threatened by.  

George Zimmerpig is a massive douchebag, and only a massive douchebag could support such a man.  He had made at least 46 calls to 911. (this is not normal behaviour for anyone, not even a local watchmen, none of his calls uncovered any crime, just that he was mentally deranged and suffering from severe paranoia). In the last year, his calls focused on blacks in his gated community.  His brother is unashamedly racist, comparing a black child killer to Trayvon Martin (which is ironic since his brother murdered a teenager).  George Zimmerman’s cousin, told prosecutors that "George is confrontational, she knows he doesn’t like black people. She said his father, mother, sister, doesn’t like black people.Zimmerman and his family “don’t like black people if they don’t act like white people. They like black people if they act white.”.  And George also racially vilified a co-worker for months  and Zimmerman was eventually "fired for calling the HR hotline so many times." (what a fucking loser).  The family is obviously seriously dysfunctional and it comes as no surprise that George ended up a Murderer.

[King Shizzo]

He went to jaejonna for his pre-court prep and "spilled over".

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[iwantmass]

Nothing you say is supported by anything that resembles fact.   I don't cate if every white racist in the world has picked up the cause of george zimmerman, this is the nature of hate groups.  The same could be said of al sharpton, jesse jackson and thr new black panthers.  Those things do not represent zimmermans motives.   To imply zimmerman is paranoid and overzealous is one thing.  Its quite a leap to assume those make him a racist.  Lets say I actually entertain your version of the events (we will call this this fairytale version),  you haven't provided anything that refutes trayvon being the agressor, initiating the assault,  nor does any evidence exist showing that zimmerman did anything other than shoot trayvon which is consistent with his claim to self defense

Nothing at this point leads us to beleive that if trayvon had not chased george zimmerman on his return to his vehicle, proceeded to assault him woupe he have been shot.

In fact your claim to 46 prior calls supports george zimmermans lack of violence.  The 46 false calls is completely fabricated of course but even in its fabricated nature it supports trayvon iniating the violence.  You seem to keep skipping over that detail though.

In summary since you don't read very well: the only thing that triggered a shot being fired was trayvon assaulting zimmerman

[iwantmass]

I'm starting to suspect C-Kul ofbl being the ultimate troll.  Even in spite of his complete lack of intelligence,  no one that invests this much time and energy into researching all the false stories he does could actually omit every single fact and replace them all with fiction short of a huge deliberate effort.  Yet he manages to do it

[Radical Plato]

Nothing you say is supported by anything that resembles fact.   I don't cate if every white racist in the world has picked up the cause of george zimmerman, this is the nature of hate groups.  The same could be said of al sharpton, jesse jackson and thr new black panthers.  Those things do not represent zimmermans motives.   To imply zimmerman is paranoid and overzealous is one thing.  Its quite a leap to assume those make him a racist.  Lets say I actually entertain your version of the events (we will call this this fairytale version),  you haven't provided anything that refutes trayvon being the agressor, initiating the assault,  nor does any evidence exist showing that zimmerman did anything other than shoot trayvon which is consistent with his claim to self defense

Nothing at this point leads us to beleive that if trayvon had not chased george zimmerman on his return to his vehicle, proceeded to assault him woupe he have been shot.

In fact your claim to 46 prior calls supports george zimmermans lack of violence.  The 46 false calls is completely fabricated of course but even in its fabricated nature it supports trayvon iniating the violence.  You seem to keep skipping over that detail though.

In summary since you don't read very well: the only thing that triggered a shot being fired was trayvon assaulting zimmerman

Everything I have presented is fact, you have simply suggested a fantastical imaginary version of events.  I don't need to refute Trayvon being the aggressor because their is NO evidence of that, it is the opposite, George has incriminated himself in this matter.   Their is ZERO evidence that Trayvon chased Zimmerpig,  George himself admitted he followed and confronted Trayvon  (this isn't in dispute, not even by George).  This is from Georges own mouth.  Where is your evidence that the 46 calls George made prior to 9/11 is false.  This is on record, there is plenty of evidence showing this.  He also did the same thing at his workplace when he was reprimanded for racially vilifying a co-worker, he had a history of constantly complaining and he rang the Human resources Hotline complaining so much they eventually sacked him.  Face it, the guy you support is a douchebag, and if you identify with this guy because you share similar personality traits you probably need to have a good look at yourself.

[Radical Plato]

I'm starting to suspect C-Kul ofbl being the ultimate troll.  Even in spite of his complete lack of intelligence,  no one that invests this much time and energy into researching all the false stories he does could actually omit every single fact and replace them all with fiction short of a huge deliberate effort.  Yet he manages to do it

George is guilty of being a massive douchebag, he is a wanna-be cop, he carry's a gun with him when he goes to the store, and he has a history of violence, aggression, racist behaviour, drug taking, child molestation, wife beating, a criminal history and a habit of ringing 9/11 to report anything and everything.  He is an obvious psychopath and it was inevitable this guy would end up murdering someone.  Even if he isn't incarcerated, someone is going to shoot this guy in self defence.

[iwantmass]

The unedited phone call that you claim to have listened to demonstrates zimmerman returning to his car and trayvon confronting him.

And just so we are clear, are you actually insinuating zimmerman attacked trayvon.

And unlike you, I will adhere to your version of the events.   Lets say all the paranoia you propose is true.  That does not mean in this isolated incident when trayvon assualted zimmerman that it was an unjust shooting.  

But considering you refer to him a zimmerpig and douchebag, you wear your emotions on your sleeve worse than a 16 year old girl that doesn't get a sweet 16 party.  You have made not one unbiased statement the entire time because this apparently chafes your vagina

[Radical Plato]

The unedited phone call that you claim to have listened to demonstrates zimmerman returning to his car and trayvon confronting him.

And just so we are clear, are you actually insinuating zimmerman attacked trayvon.

And unlike you, I will adhere to your version of the events.   Lets say all the paranoia you propose is true.  That does not mean in this isolated incident when trayvon assualted zimmerman that it was an unjust shooting.  

But considering you refer to him a zimmerpig and douchebag, you wear your emotions on your sleeve worse than a 16 year old girl that doesn't get a sweet 16 party.  You have made not one unbiased statement the entire time because this apparently chafes your vagina

It doesn't matter who initiated the force, Trayvon had every right to do so, he was being pursued by a suspicious individual who was ultimately carrying a gun.  Zimmerpigs behaviour would be construed as threatening by any decent civilian.  Normal people don't stalk other people, that's what criminals do.  I know if I was being followed by a suspicious individual for no reason while I am out walking and then cornered you can bet your bottom dollar I am not going to wait for MR CRAZY to assault me.  The only person who was standing their ground was Trayvon Martin.

I have never met any individual who would behave the way George did, only crazy people act the way he did, profiling potential criminals, constantly ringing 9/11 and following people he considers suspicious.  That's a crazy person right there, and no way should a man like that be walking the streets.  This incident was inevitable, who rings 9/11 46 times reporting kids as young as young as 7 looking suspicious.  The guy is a complete looney toon and belongs in a mental institution.

[doison]

I wish he had killed some white wanna-be thug so that no one would feign outrage or pretend to give a shit about the shooting death.

Then we could focus on the real crime here--who the fuck calls HR that many times?  I can get behind an "annoying fuckface" prosecution on that aspect.

[iwantmass]

I'm done with this one. I'll let you continue to spew lies and half truths.  Even an infant can see that you like to use trigger words such as "stalk" in place of less agressive ones such as "follow".  Yet oddly enough you don't know how fsr away he was following him.

Heres another point for you to consider.  How do you know trayvon was not up to something if a criminal nature. He was suspended for possessing stolen goods one of his suspensions.

In terms of labeling someone a psycho,  you may consider looking into a mirror considering the time you invest into spouting your hate rhetoric day in and out.  I think the majority of memebers would agree you are far from normal