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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #100 on: April 03, 2012, 08:22:23 PM »
Wanting to hear from you.

about what

I've commented on the tape and also on this event

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #101 on: April 03, 2012, 08:33:24 PM »
Zimmerman neighbor on robberies by ‘young black men’ before Trayvon shooting: ‘If you plant corn,
Yahoo! News ^ | April 3, 2012 | Dylan Stableford
Posted on April 3, 2012 3:06:59 PM EDT by Free ThinkerNY

George Zimmerman's Sanford, Fla., neighbor, said the neighborhood watchman protected his residence from a potential burglary several weeks before the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Frank Taaffe, a former neighborhood watch captain, told CNN that his house was in the process of being robbed on Feb. 2, but Zimmerman called Sanford police, who thwarted the robbery.

"My house was being robbed, and George on his nightly rounds watched this burglary in progress, called Sanford P.D., waited for them, and helped ensure that nothing bad happened to my house," Taaffe said. "And it's documented in the 911 call for February 2. That was my residence that George Zimmerman helped stop." Zimmerman shot and killed Martin on Feb. 26.

"Neighbor-hood, that's a great word," Taaffe said.

Taaffe said that "young black males" were the perpetrators in the attempted robbery of his home. "We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot," Taaffe said. "It would have been nine."

Taaffe denied that he told the New York Times that burglaries were done by "Trayvon-like dudes with their pants down."

"I never said that," he said. "I never used that term."

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #102 on: April 03, 2012, 08:59:44 PM »
You didnt answer my question about cover up conspiracy.

no way to draw a conclusion about either at this point

my spec is on ineptitude and cya

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #103 on: April 03, 2012, 10:11:04 PM »
You think it is down to mishandled by the police and exagerations by zimmerman, to cover his ass?  And that the police are now trying to cover up their mishandling of the case?

I believe this is the narrative suppoted by some.  Not sure if this is you or not, but if it is.  I have to disagree

fine with me

If you've got some compelling info then feel free to share

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #104 on: April 04, 2012, 01:08:24 PM »
Zimmerman was a vigilante and not a Neighborhood Watchman.
"Zimmerman also blatantly violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, ABC News has learned.

The manual, from the National Neighborhood Watch Program, states: "It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous..."

According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch Program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group -- another fact the police were not aware of at the time of the incident."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watchman-killed-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-guidelines/story?id=15955985#.T2f8wczBp7w

""I'm disappointed that people are trying to put blame onto the program when it's not the program's fault," said Wendy Dorival, who coordinates volunteer programs, including Neighborhood Watch, for the Sanford police. "Neighborhood Watch is not what took his life away"...."

"...Neighborhood Watch, by contrast, is less formal and is run by residents — although volunteers in both programs are told not to confront anyone. Their job is to observe and describe suspicious people or cars to law officers and help make their neighbors aware of problems.

"We tell people, 'Don't be a hero,'" Dorival said. "Don't risk it.""

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-20120321_1_zimmerman-community-ties-neighborhood-watch

Zimmerman was supposedly on his way to Target and was legally allowed to carry a firearm as he had a concealed carry weapons permit. I do not know if Zimmerman normally carried a gun with him when he was on Neighborhood Watch patrol. If he did and certainly when he spotted Trayvon, he disregard key parts of his training. Don't confront and don't carry a weapon. The second he stepped out of his SUV, Zimmerman became a vigilante. Maybe his neighbor explains his actions best:

"I think any time you use a weapon, there are certain anger issues working," Taaffe said. "I think he had fed-up issues. He was mad as hell and wasn't going to take it anymore."

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/what-happened-trayvon-martin-explained

On a side note, until such time as Zimmerman is formally arrested for commission of a felony, he can carry a gun.

"The department shall suspend a license if the licensee is arrested or formally charged with a felony. The suspension will last until the case is over."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/03/despite-groups-demand-adam-putnam-says-he-cant-suspend-concealed-carry-permit-of-trayvon-martins-sho.html

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #105 on: April 04, 2012, 01:43:27 PM »
So he wasn't in a registered NW program?

Interesting.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #106 on: April 04, 2012, 03:37:05 PM »
actually, he said 3 steps - he has something in his waistband.  He is pulling it out.  He has something in his hand.  3 steps to drawing a weapon - textbook legal CCW shoot, homie ;)  That shit is all over the survivalist boards.  the gun nuts know it.  You detail the steps of him drawing so it's a legal shoot.  adding 'he looks to be on drugs' helps too lol.

he knew exactly what to say to have cops shot up in felony arrest mode.  you know it.  you can play naive and say "no, i think he really believed it" - then you have to tell us why this man would chase an armed high man two blocks into the darkness.  He woudln't. 

I just wish we could have a little honesty here.  I think the shoot was legal technicaly and zimmerman shouldn't be charged - but i do think he should be charged for being a lying fuck and do 2 years fo robstruction and lying to police.  he's making shit tougher for permit holders for 20 years, and good fcking luck getting stand-your-ground in the other 30 states after this ass-hat abused it.






More solid logic from you.

It was a justified shoot, but it ruins it for all the other justified shoots.   ::)

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #107 on: April 05, 2012, 06:22:34 AM »
It was a justified shoot, but it ruins it for all the other justified shoots.   ::)

It's exactly the case.  In FL, you can have a perfectly legal shoot - in a situation that you go out of your way to create - and you stay out of jail.

I can walk up and down the street in cracktown insulting people's mothers until someone knocks me down.  Then I can shoot them.  And as long as I claim to police "I feared for my life", it's legal.

Did you see the Tampa Bay Times coming at permits now?  And that state senator (I think that was his title) calling out Rick Scott for permits?  Watch and see, it's only starting.  Gun rights will erode thanks to this assclown zimmerman who violated the neighborhood watch rulebook he claimed to live by.  Dude wanted to play hero, and he's gonna fuuck up permit rights.  Watch and see.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #108 on: April 05, 2012, 06:23:39 AM »
By the way, zimmerman's father claimed his son was beaten for 60 seconds.  And he had one laceration on his head.  That's frickin incredible.  He should be a pro boxer or UFC fighter or something.  60 seconds of smashing head on concrete and he has one boo-boo.  Serious toughness there. 

or, his dad's a fcking liar.  it's one of the two ;)

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #109 on: April 05, 2012, 06:25:58 AM »
By the way, zimmerman's father claimed his son was beaten for 60 seconds.  And he had one laceration on his head.  That's frickin incredible.  He should be a pro boxer or UFC fighter or something.  60 seconds of smashing head on concrete and he has one boo-boo.  Serious toughness there. 

or, his dad's a fcking liar.  it's one of the two ;)
Jesus Christ, cut it out with the 60 second bullshit, no one cares.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #110 on: April 05, 2012, 07:22:51 AM »
Jesus Christ, cut it out with the 60 second bullshit, no one cares.
yeah.. screw all that... real statements and shit....hella facts... screw that shit... we got his side of the story and thats good enough for me ;D

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #111 on: April 05, 2012, 07:24:24 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/04/05/CNN-Coon-Cold-Zimmerman


Another leftist lie debunked. 


Zimmerman = winning. 

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #112 on: April 05, 2012, 07:32:27 AM »
yeah.. screw all that... real statements and shit....hella facts... screw that shit... we got his side of the story and thats good enough for me ;D
Statements by who, the Dad? Yeah, cause his dads the one thats gonna be on trial... Maybe if you paid attention you'd see that it was his DAD that said that. :-\ ::)
I see youre really worried about those REAL STATEMENTS, lol.
Still waiting on the "known facts" that point towards him being guilty.

Not to mention its something that has nothing to do with the case.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #113 on: April 05, 2012, 07:43:03 AM »
Statements by who, the Dad? Yeah, cause his dads the one thats gonna be on trial... Maybe if you paid attention you'd see that it was his DAD that said that. :-\ ::)
I see youre really worried about those REAL STATEMENTS, lol.
Still waiting on the "known facts" that point towards him being guilty.
Not to mention its something that has nothing to do with the case.
and who do you think told his dad?...  ??? you think his pops came up with that out of the blue..
And from the "known Facts" i think he needs to be arrested and tried just as anyone who killed someone with a record of police and domestic violence

Guy with gun sees kid with juice...
Guy with gun kills kid with juice...
Guy with gun says kid with juice attacked him first..

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #114 on: April 05, 2012, 07:52:06 AM »
and who do you think told his dad?...  ??? you think his pops came up with that out of the blue..
And from the "known Facts" i think he needs to be arrested and tried just as anyone who killed someone with a record of police and domestic violence

Guy with gun sees kid with juice...
Guy with gun kills kid with juice...
Guy with gun says kid with juice attacked him first..




If Zimmerman wanted to kill him - why get in a street altercation at all? 

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #115 on: April 05, 2012, 08:09:15 AM »


If Zimmerman wanted to kill him - why get in a street altercation at all? 


Ah. Hmmm. Eh. Because he was black? This is what is being portrayed by the shameless media.

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Re: Actual Known Facts in Trayvon Martin case
« Reply #116 on: April 05, 2012, 09:16:44 AM »


If Zimmerman wanted to kill him - why get in a street altercation at all? 


HE DID

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