Author Topic: Creatine - What is GetBig's opinion on it? (Read 22180 times)

randy841 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 10, 2012, 12:46:05 PM »

Quote from: maxkane69 on April 10, 2012, 12:26:17 PM

Here let me correct a few things for you Max, since getbig mentality is to start pumping in a few grams of androgens a week, soon as one is old enough to walk.

Creatine is ...

Reason why you should take creatine
1) Creatine is ineffective as muscle builder = FALSE This level of bullshit is at the same level as Iraq having WMD's.

2) Creatine is ineffective as strenght enhancer = BULLSHIT - VERY EFFECTIVE

3) Creatine will blur your muscle definition making you hold unwanted water = TRUE while on

4) Creatine will give you diarrhea = TRUE sometimes

5) Creatine will fuck up your kidney in the long run = THAT'S BEEN SAID FOR 20 YEARS. NO EVIDENCE. I've used it for over for over 15 years on/off, no problems.

Creatine is the MOST DANGEROUS SUPPLEMENT (MORE BULLCRAP) OUT THERE with pro-hormone and should be banned for sale

Just because we are all on getbig, we get it -- start

shooting up gear early as possible. Not every 17 year old that walks in needs too start of with a cycle of test or anything for that matter. For christ sakes what happened to laying a foundation. If one cannot build a foundation naturally in a certain time and frame, you're in the wrong game.

Let's not all be brainwashed by every GH15 commandment. Yes, he gives great info to beginners and experienced alike, but use it with discretion if you are just starting out. Things were done without GH before and will continue that way long after he's gone. And nor is his approach advocated for every 140lb twink.

Hey, then again who am i to say 3 grams of steroids a week and 25iu of GH ed can't take care of ones mediocre genetics.

Jaime · « **Reply #26 on:** April 10, 2012, 12:50:02 PM »

Quote from: randy841 on April 10, 2012, 12:46:05 PM

Just because we are all on getbig, we get it -- start shooting up gear early as possible. Not every 17 year old that walks in needs too start of with a cycle of test or anything for that matter. For christ sakes what happened to laying a foundation. If one cannot build a foundation naturally in a certain time and frame, you're in the wrong game.

Let's not all be brainwashed by every GH15 commandment. Things were done without GH before and will continue that way long after he's gone. And nor is it advocated for every 140lb twink.

Hey, then again who am i to say 3 grams of steroids a week and 25iu of GH can't take care of ones shit for genetics.

GTFO calling creatine very effective for strength or muscle building.

What do you own a supplement company?

It's effects are marginal at best, like extremely marginal.

randy841 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 10, 2012, 01:11:14 PM »

Quote from: Jaime on April 10, 2012, 12:50:02 PM

GTFO calling creatine very effective for strength or muscle building.
Yes, very effective.

Is this threatening your sourcing on GB?

Freedom of speech. So STFU. Everyone has an opinion and it counts. Not just your guru GH15 and you the minions.

What do you own a supplement company?
Yes, since it's so profitable.

...

Look i just sold another 1kg tub and made .10 cents.

It's effects are marginal at best, like extremely marginal.
The only thing marginal is your response. Again blame the genetics bro. You are the type who will require 2 grams of gear to even have a response, whereas another user will do fine just with 750mg.

And you douche bags stop turning this into a piss match, because it is something you disagree with. The gentleman simply asked about creatine, we are all trying to give our honest experience with it. So take it for FWIW.

Stop this high school shit "didn't read it" or whatever else the fuck you are doing. Grow the fuck up or GTFO.

AlphaMaleDawg · « **Reply #28 on:** April 10, 2012, 01:29:41 PM »

completely useless. I used it for 7 years straight and got nothing out of it. It sure as hell didn't help me when I was natural either for the bulk of that time

mazrim · « **Reply #29 on:** April 10, 2012, 01:42:22 PM »

Quote from: randy841 on April 10, 2012, 12:08:21 PM

Creatine works and works well.

In 2 years of consistent usage when i first started lifting around 17, i went from 165 to 224lb in just under 2 years with visible ab lines (top 2 always) and solid size. Alongside creatine, i always used whey, multi-vitamins, ginseng (vials), weight gainers, ephedrine, vanadyl sulfate, and sublingual GH releasers. Strength and size were in sync. Bench went from 185 for 10-12 reps to 225*9. Squat from 225*10 to 295*10 fairly easy. Deadlift 275lb*10 to 325*8-10. Then i was on my death bed no so long after. And took about 7-8 year lay off from any type of workouts. When i did start back up - started with the whey and creatine again. Got back to former self within about a year. Only 11+ years later did i for the first time use Test/var and now on 2nd cycle. In fact, i can say using creatine is the equivalent of using 500mg test weekly.

Furthermore, I learned on 2nd cycle not to mix Creatine with AAS. It throws all the blood work numbers off, and the muscle cramps and spasms are notorious. My response to any supra-physiological usage of supplements and AAS is explosive, i find. Towards the last 8 weeks of 1st 18wk test e/c cycle added 20mg Anavar, literally things changed within a week. Went from a blow fish look to a solid fish with visible vascularity everywhere except abdominal region.

By the way those thinking of using creatine alongside AAS, don't IMHO. My doctor told me when he initially saw the blood work to start making arrangements. So i started digging a grave about 1 foot each day in the backyard. I got to about 5 feet before the internal medicine specialist said you're within the norm. On top of the blood work, i had everything thoroughly tested including heart, lungs, and liver.

It looks like (from those numbers) that your strength actually went down in relation to your weight with creatine.

Isn't creatine supposed to work really well with anavar?

Nirvana · « **Reply #30 on:** April 10, 2012, 01:47:26 PM »

I never gained water weight from it

I never lost hair from it

I never got diarear from it

I never had kidney problems from it

I never got results from it

MrLean · « **Reply #31 on:** April 10, 2012, 02:01:02 PM »

My theory regarding creatine respond is that it works best for people with low natural oestrogen into blood

They are holding less water normally, which the creatine changes pretty fast

I used it for about 3 weeks when i just started training ( 11 months ago ) and responded really really good ( especially pump at training ) and I was/am skinny kid and naturally not holding much water

I stopped usage because my face became less lean due to water, I hated it so I stopped, but the fact that my face looked different shows that I responded great to the effect of holding more water

Was also 9,99$/ 500g monohydrate from germany

Jaime · « **Reply #32 on:** April 10, 2012, 02:18:04 PM »

Quote from: randy841 on April 10, 2012, 01:11:14 PM

And you douche bags stop turning this into a piss match, because it is something you disagree with. The gentleman simply asked about creatine, we are all trying to give our honest experience with it. So take it for FWIW.

Stop this high school shit "didn't read it" or whatever else the fuck you are doing. Grow the fuck up or GTFO.

I have a hyper response to all drugs, good and bad lol. Comparing creatine to anabolics is amusing to say the least.

Creatine is useless, perhaps you are confused in regards to the english language and the way you word things.

Ursus · « **Reply #33 on:** April 10, 2012, 02:39:18 PM »

I ended up in hospital after a couple weeks taking it. I followed instructions, did not abuse it and drank plenty of water.

My sister who is a pharmacist warned me before taking it how dangerous it is etc I assumed I would be fine.

I now have one functioning kidney.

The Urologists were unsure if it was the creatine that caused it or highlighted it. Not touched it since.

noc · « **Reply #34 on:** April 10, 2012, 02:54:19 PM »

Ursus almost died for you bitches.

randy841 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 10, 2012, 03:12:40 PM »

Quote from: Ursus on April 10, 2012, 02:39:18 PM

I ended up in hospital after a couple weeks taking it. I followed instructions, did not abuse it and drank plenty of water.

My sister who is a pharmacist warned me before taking it how dangerous it is etc I assumed I would be fine.

I now have one functioning kidney.

The Urologists were unsure if it was the creatine that caused it or highlighted it. Not touched it since.

Were you injecting the creatine?
... no just kidding.

Sorry to hear bro, never had a problem in all my years. I always used the powder and still do. Never had any underlying problems or any other medical problems. I had to stop while i was on Test, Eq, and Tren due to blood work (high creatinine and eGfr #'s). I stopped and everything was back to normal within 3 weeks.

randy841 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 10, 2012, 03:17:40 PM »

Quote from: AlphaMaleDawg on April 10, 2012, 01:29:41 PM

completely useless. I used it for 7 years straight and got nothing out of it. It sure as hell didn't help me when I was natural either for the bulk of that time

What took you so long to stop bro?

I usually try things once or twice. If it's a no show. Then you move on.

P.S. One more thing the purple Ks or concrete are not comparable in any way IMHO. They are a waste of time and money.

jparker · « **Reply #37 on:** April 10, 2012, 04:21:12 PM »

1. Buy a tub of Creatine monohydrate and use it for 3 months track your workouts.
2. Workout 3 months without it.
3. Make your own mind up.

Ursus · « **Reply #38 on:** April 10, 2012, 04:32:19 PM »

Quote from: randy841 on April 10, 2012, 03:12:40 PM

Were you injecting the creatine?
... no just kidding.

Sorry to hear bro, never had a problem in all my years. I always used the powder and still do. Never had any underlying problems or any other medical problems. I had to stop while i was on Test, Eq, and Tren due to blood work (high creatinine and eGfr #'s). I stopped and everything was back to normal within 3 weeks.

LOL @ noc

I took the monohydrate. I remember reading teh pack saying do not take if you had kidney problems. Never had any kidney problems so assumed I was safe though in hindsight I remember a few times in my mid teens being in absolute pain on a Sunday night for some reason in my right hand side of my back (where non functioning kidney is). I put this down to drinking lots of lemonade we got delivered to the house on a Friday and gorging on it whereas it was likely a problem being highlighted by the lemonade or something in lemonade.

I can't take it now. It used to annoy me as it basically makes you 5% stronger year on year.

Training is fun for me now so i do not mind much. My BP and cholesterol is fine though and I recently reduced the amount of rubbish I ate etc and I feel much better for it.

gh15 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 10, 2012, 04:58:46 PM »

Quote from: randy841 on April 10, 2012, 12:24:36 PM

GH15 numbers apply to meat heads not creatine users, nor any other naturals. His context of #'s is only applicable with competitive athletes (stage ready) and what is possible in terms of weight and bodyfat.

What kind of cookie cutter bullshit is it that you are defending you lack of response to a natural limit offered by your guru GH15?

You just have shits for genetics. Don't blame yourself, blame your parents.

Couldn't get past 175lb? Really?

you see what this fella write here? you see HOW he wrote it?

this is mature way of disagreeing,, this is how you write and you make even fellas who dont agre with you readit and be lik e...oh im talking here to someone with some expericne andbrain ,, why cant this place hav emore like this fella? thi sis exactly what i talk about,, notice how he disagree but...he keep his information and his points in ...he make sure he keep the other fella point of views on ...and he simply knwo who to fucking deliver,, is this that hard to do ? i guess so

cary on ,,

gh15 approved

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 10, 2012, 05:16:34 PM »

Creatine marginally improves strength/power with burst activities (ie powerlifting) and slightly improves muscle recovery in sports medicine/sports nutrition medical studies. Also hydrates the muscle, which is good. Odd thing is that a smaller % of people have no response to creatine. Some get excess water retention. Creatine does not injure the kidneys directly (dehydration can so drink lots of water). Creatine is converted into creatinine and ill informed doctors think the creatine is causing kidney damage because creatinine is elevated. BUN and creatinine are used as markers of kidney function in general medicine. What many don't realize is creatinine is a direct metabolic product of creatine, not a pure specific marker for kidney damage. My creatinine has been 1.6-2.0 on lab tests on creatine, drops to 1.4 within a week of stopping.
For those that say creatine is worthless (other than the 10% of nonresponders), you're comparing it to AAS...which is far more potent...and many of you guys use way to many drugs that may catch up with you later.

diamondcut · « **Reply #41 on:** April 10, 2012, 05:22:43 PM »

creatine worked well when i was a natural

it gave me slightly better strength and increased muscular endurance

however it caused me to bloat up quite a bit and retain way too much water in my face so i stopped it

i took 10g daily

deadpan · « **Reply #42 on:** April 10, 2012, 06:05:15 PM »

Quote from: shootfighter1 on April 10, 2012, 05:16:34 PM

Creatine marginally improves strength/power with burst activities (ie powerlifting) and slightly improves muscle recovery in sports medicine/sports nutrition medical studies. Also hydrates the muscle, which is good. Odd thing is that a smaller % of people have no response to creatine. Some get excess water retention. Creatine does not injure the kidneys directly (dehydration can so drink lots of water). Creatine is converted into creatinine and ill informed doctors think the creatine is causing kidney damage because creatinine is elevated. BUN and creatinine are used as markers of kidney function in general medicine. What many don't realize is creatinine is a direct metabolic product of creatine, not a pure specific marker for kidney damage. My creatinine has been 1.6-2.0 on lab tests on creatine, drops to 1.4 within a week of stopping.
For those that say creatine is worthless (other than the 10% of nonresponders), you're comparing it to AAS...which is far more potent...and many of you guys use way to many drugs that may catch up with you later.

there's lots of different creatines out there and some are complete bunk ("serums" being the top example), personally i prefer micronized monohydrate, the crystals are much smaller and seem to absorb better and i don't get that dreaded stomach upset with it (well less than mono anyways), and it's basically mono which to my understanding is the only one with scientific backing and results. one thing i noticed though is you build a tolerance to it very quickly.

it's a bit tricky to use properly though, there's entire sites dedicated to just creatine and protocols.

Royalty · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2012, 06:16:09 PM »

CREAPURE from Germany is the only form of creatine that works for me. The rest were useless.

abijahmaniaco · « **Reply #44 on:** April 10, 2012, 08:32:55 PM »

Quote from: gh15 on April 10, 2012, 04:58:46 PM

you see what this fella write here? you see HOW he wrote it?

this is mature way of disagreeing,, this is how you write and you make even fellas who dont agre with you readit and be lik e...oh im talking here to someone with some expericne andbrain ,, why cant this place hav emore like this fella? thi sis exactly what i talk about,, notice how he disagree but...he keep his information and his points in ...he make sure he keep the other fella point of views on ...and he simply knwo who to fucking deliver,, is this that hard to do ? i guess so

cary on ,,

gh15 approved

wow, you of all people... you the one always talking about danta protein, etc... let me tell you something 15. when i was motherfucking 12 years old i walked into the mall and i saw a poster at the front of gnc. this poster had the upper body of a top bodybuilder level and in big letters it had the word "creatine". IT'S A FUCKING INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING SCAM FOR MONEY!!! and because of this shit i believed for years that my lack of substantial (magazine esque) gains was because i just wasn't training hard enough—bull shit! i had one of the best diets of anyone in my highschool. my mother was a health nut. i knew how to eat and i knew how to exercise. i got to were i was lunging over 200lbs. two plates on each side of the short bar. my legs got no bigger. i watch a video on the internet. ronnie coleman lunging with one fucking plate on each side, but with four times the fucking leg diameter.

has nothing to do with my genetics. when i finally got on hormones i responded like a freak. and i will prove it to you and the other flaming punk that you quoted in a couple weeks i will post a picture. GENETICS MY ASS.

BIG ACH · « **Reply #45 on:** April 10, 2012, 08:34:46 PM »

I take 5 g before work out, 5 g after.

I don't load, I don't cycle.

If I'm not lifting, be it 1 day, or 1 week, I don't take it!

deadpan · « **Reply #46 on:** April 10, 2012, 09:39:13 PM »

Quote from: volcnnxn on April 10, 2012, 09:29:53 PM

only with anavar

i've heard this being mentioned before, can someone explain to me please?

gh15 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 10, 2012, 09:42:25 PM »

Quote from: abijahmaniaco on April 10, 2012, 08:32:55 PM

wow, you of all people... you the one always talking about danta protein, etc... let me tell you something 15. when i was motherfucking 12 years old i walked into the mall and i saw a poster at the front of gnc. this poster had the upper body of a top bodybuilder level and in big letters it had the word "creatine". IT'S A FUCKING INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING SCAM FOR MONEY!!! and because of this shit i believed for years that my lack of substantial (magazine esque) gains was because i just wasn't training hard enough—bull shit! i had one of the best diets of anyone in my highschool. my mother was a health nut. i knew how to eat and i knew how to exercise. i got to were i was lunging over 200lbs. two plates on each side of the short bar. my legs got no bigger. i watch a video on the internet. ronnie coleman lunging with one fucking plate on each side, but with four times the fucking leg diameter.

has nothing to do with my genetics. when i finally got on hormones i responded like a freak. and i will prove it to you and the other flaming punk that you quoted in a couple weeks i will post a picture. GENETICS MY ASS.

oh im with you on this one friend,, dont have a doubt about it ,, i just like the way he write he giev both sides in somewhat fair way ,, he has THE FUCKING DECENCY to do it ,, i agree with you 100 thouhg

gh15 approved

tommywishbone · « **Reply #48 on:** April 10, 2012, 11:10:31 PM »

Quote from: AlphaMaleDawg on April 10, 2012, 01:29:41 PM

completely useless. I used it for 7 years straight and got nothing out of it. It sure as hell didn't help me when I was natural either for the bulk of that time

Quitter.

deadpan · « **Reply #49 on:** April 11, 2012, 09:13:00 AM »

Quote from: volcnnxn on April 10, 2012, 11:07:13 PM

Excerpt from gh15...no science explanation if thats what youre looking for.

"oxandrolona = more female drug ,,it is needed to be taken in higher dose to get what you want as a bodybuilr male ,,if you can take 75mg and over 75 to 150mg a day it will lean you out and get the stupid creatine yo utake a purpose because finally you will thicken from within while getting lean and not thicken from the outside,,,aka water retention finaly will be mostly within the muscle and not between muscle and skin like with the stupid creatine"

oh ok, thanks