Roulette - has anyone cracked the code?

[Karpaasi]

Casino's really need guys like Jon, people who have huge desire to win. They want you think that you can outsmart them by figuring out a system that works against them. You can't change the principles the games are based on.

[daddy8ball]

It's pure mathematics. The math is in the casino's favor. That's why casino's are huge, opulent, and very expensive and you live in the trailer park from "Last Starfighter".

[Jon Harridan]

Casino's really need guys like Jon, people who have huge desire to win. They want you think that you can outsmart them by figuring out a system that works against them. You can't change the principles the games are based on.

What if I've gotten my hands on a system or two already? The "Win Line" system I posted is a proven one, but everyone seems to be ignoring it instead of giving it a fair go. The principles only give the casinos an edge, and that certainly doesn't equate to their being unbeatable! I'm talking about roulette here; BJ may very well be different!

[stuntmovie]

Jon, Here's just one of many BJ Basic Strategy sites that may be of interest.
This is not a system.

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php

Google     Blackjack Basic Strategy    for more and play the game accordingly in a real live casino that pays 3 to 2 for a BJ.

[Samourai Pizzacat]

What if I've gotten my hands on a system or two already? The "Win Line" system I posted is a proven one, but everyone seems to be ignoring it instead of giving it a fair go. The principles only give the casinos an edge, and that certainly doesn't equate to their being unbeatable! I'm talking about roulette here; BJ may very well be different!

Dude, you really don't understand probability, all the more reason to keep your money in your wallet.

[Dr Dutch]

Guy is what gives the casino a nice profit..

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Why flipping a coin is not a 50-50 proposition

http://www.codingthewheel.com/archives/the-coin-flip-a-fundamentally-unfair-proposition

[reppingfor20]

REP, I will be honest with ya and tell you that I have beaten the casinos many times but definitely not in the manner in which you most likely think.

I’m the kind of gambler often referred to as a “Whale Turd”.

That means I don’t risk a large amount of money when I play casino games.

In fact I only enter a casino with $5 to $20  in my pocket.

And I only play about three slots that have proven to pay off during my past casino visits.

And I have a rule that I stick to like glue – Once I double my money, I have to quit.

So if I place $5 into a slot machine and it goes up to $10, I must cash out and walk away.

If I place $20 into a slot machine and it goes up to $40, I cash out and walk away.

A very simple rule to follow unless GREED takes control.

And each pull of the handle or push of the button is either ten or twenty cents.

Many times that $5 risk will hit a bonus and I’ll win $10 to $120 which means I have to cashout immediately.

I’ll only continue to play if I get greedy.

And once that happens , I’ll start losing.

Right now I’m about $500 to the good so far this year and that’s just from risking a very few bucks in the following three slot machines ……

VAMPS
WOLF RUN
CATS

I play one or more of the above machines about 5 to 6 times a week at one of the following casinos which I consider to be the loosest machines in town …..

The Palms
The Orleans
Ellis Island

Sometimes it appears to be evident that  these slot machines ‘allow’ you to win a few bucks and then take it all back from you when you sit and play it too long.

One machine in particular ALWAYS let’s you win $3 more than your ‘investment’ and then tightens up and takes all your money.

A good method to make the customer initially happy and, eventually, the casino rich.

SO that’s my SYSTEM for the slots.

When I play Blackjack (I’m an EXPERT at this game), I buy in for $30 at the Silverton and play their $3 game. And I have yet to walk out of the Silverton without a small profit which usually amounts to $30 - $60.

I am a very strict Basic Strategy player and do my best to avoid those tables where the players have no idea about Basic Strategy.

Greed is a major gambler’s downfall, so I always depart before it sets in.

And that’s my Blackjack system.

I gotta add that every casino I play in sends me more free stuff (including free play and even free money)  than I can actually take advantage of each and evey month. Free play usually totals about $300  and actual free cash is usually less than $100.

So a decent amount of my winnings required no personal investment in the least.

Those are my "systems".

You now owe me $100. Thank you.

good post and good way to play, smart.  What I can't stand though are people that tell you they have a figured out a system of beating blackjack, or craps, or roulette.  Then you see them drive away in their ford escort and couple hundred dollar a month apartment, makes you wonder why they aren't using their system to become million or billionaires?

I understand what you do, you make small profit and get out, good strategy.  As well the free money they send you.  Not many people can walk away or just accept a hundred dollars or so a visit, they want it all now!  LOL

[stuntmovie]

REP, Thanks for understanding what I was trying to describe in one of my above posts ... i.e. "Take your small winnings and get the hell of the casino!"

I have friends who laugh when I am happy with a small win. Two in particular go to various casinos with me on a weekly basis and play max $3 on various slot machines and when and if they ever win (which is very seldom) , they claim bragging rights.

But in truth each of them loses more than most of you GetBiggers make in any given month when you total up the damages.

Just last night friend 'A' played some dumb machine in the Cosmopolitan that would pay off $22,000 if you hit the bonus. And over the next few hours after 4 to 5 trips to the ATM machine he had put roughly $2,000 into that damn machine without even ever coming close to a Bonus round.

He honestly thinks that the next turn of the reels will pay off his losses.

Same for another friend who lost $1,100 playing roulette with a 'system' he says he invented  .... cover the first and the last 12 numbers on the roulette table , but he lost it all because the middle 12 numbers were predominate.

He was devestated because that $1,100 was for his return trip home. and he had to call his family to carry him through.

A couple of hours ago I  was in the Orleans and won $5.60 and also  took a free pull on the $12,700,000 Megabucks slot machine at the Palms and managed to win $10.

That's a $15.60 profit for today's casino visits and that's better than a kick in the ass or a $2,000 loss.

My friends are greedy gamblers.

JON, It appears that I cannot convince you that there are no casino systems known to man that will make you wealthy. On some occasions you may be "LUCKY" and win some cash using a system but that stye of win  will never be consistent as these system sellers claim

But if you feel otherwise, I would suggest that you get the recommended bankroll in order and head off to the nearest roulette table and give it a go.

I can almost guarantee you that you'll come out empty handed.

Systems are 'invented' by gamblers who have lost all their money using their systems or someone else's system while spending too damn much time in a casino. They hope to regain that lost capital by selling you systems that never work.

[Marshdogg]

It's the GH15 of Gambling. 

Gambling is a real waste of time, although I have lost nearly $200 betting throughout this month. I'd rather gamble on the stockmarket or with new business strategies instead.

REP, Thanks for understanding what I was trying to describe in one of my above posts ... i.e. "Take your small winnings and get the hell of the casino!"

I have friends who laugh when I am happy with a small win. Two in particular go to various casinos with me on a weekly basis and play max $3 on various slot machines and when and if they ever win, the claim bragging rights.

But in truth each of them loses more than most of you GetBiggers make in any given month when you total up the damages.

Just last night friend 'A' played some dumb machine in the Cosmopolitan that would pay off $22,000 if you hit the bonus. And over the next few hours after 4 to 5 trips to the ATM machine he had put roughly $2,000 into that damn machine without even ever coming close to a Bonus round.

He honestly thinks that the next turn of the reels will pay off his losses.

Same for another friend who lost $1,100 playing roulette with a 'system' he says he invented  .... cover the first and the last 12 numbers on the roulette table , but he lost it all because the middle 12 numbers seldom showed.

He was devestated because that $1,100 was for his return trip home. and he had to call his family to carry him through.

A couple of hours ago I  was in the Orleans and won $5.60 and to take a free pull on the $12,700,000 Megabucks slot machine at the Palms and managed to win $10.

That's a $15.60 profit for today's casino visits and that's better than a kick in the ass or a $2,000 loss.

My friends are greedy gamblers.

JON, It appears that I cannot convince you that there are no casino systems known to man that will make you wealthy. On some occasions you may be "LUCKY" and win some cash using a system but that system will never be consistent.

But if you feel otherwise, I would suggest that you get the recommended bankroll in order and head off to the nearest roulette table and give it a go.

I can almost guarantee you that you'll come out empty handed.

Systems are 'invented' by gamblers who have lost all their money using their systems or someone else's while spending too damn much time in a casino. They hope to regain that lost capital by selling you systems that never work.

[stuntmovie]

AB, Thanks, that coin flip article was a great read. I am now wondering how it would turn out if  you lined up 100 GetBiggers and gave each of them a pen and a piece of paper and asked them to write either black or red on that paper.

And then spend the next ten minutes tabulating them.

Once again I would assume 48 of one color and 52 of the other.

Probability is akin to Quantum Mechanics if you look into it far enough.

And somehow String Theory is hanging in there someplace also.

[no one]

lol at anyone who says the have a system to make money no matter how little money it is and being a small amount must be guaranteed. I work in the industry. and the same bullshit and lies gamblers tell eachother and themselves I'm seeing here.

you all need to wake the fuck up. slots especially is a gamble dictated by a random number generator.

stuntmovie. your theory as much as you'd like to believe it holds no water and is full of holes. like this one here:

'One machine in particular ALWAYS let’s you win $3 more than your ‘investment’ and then tightens up and takes all your money.'

really. always. tell me stuntmovie how that machines knows your a new player and not the same guy who just busted out in it 20 seconds earlier? like the machine can tell that your a new player. in fact, your whole system basically is based on being a new player at that machine, and the machine recognizing you as such gives you a slight earning to keep you interested. sorry. it doesn't work that way. a machine doesnt have that ability.


your just been lucky. don't attribute it to a system or anything else. I can promise you and any other habitual gambler this- you will at the end of your gambling career you will only win back anywhere from 93-87% of your lifetime investment. and that's if your lucky. the industry doesnt make its bones off of the tourist who drops 1k at the palms while on vacation. it make it off the lifers. don't confuse your luck with the success of your system. you don't have one. you've just been 'lucky'.

funny thing about gamblers- they can convince themselves of anything. but their bank accounts never lie.

[stuntmovie]

Marsh, Yea! The stock market is usually a bigger gamble than gambling.

[stuntmovie]

NO ONE, I have to agree with your above statement 100%.

I do know that I've been extremely lucky ... but that darn luck is so consistent that I somehow get the feeling that how I explained it , is the real reality.

I'm perfectly aware of RNG's and all my gambling nonsense and also aware that what you had to say is the real 'reality' though.

But when a machine reacts somewhat consistently by allowing you a small win and then gradually taking it all back ....my mind tries to convince me that there is more to what that little chip is capable of doing.

But I can't argue against anything you stated above.

I'm not that stupid.

YET!
 

[stuntmovie]

NO One, are you at liberty to say what you do within the casino industry?

[no one]

NO ONE, I have to agree with your above statement 100%.

I do know that I've been extremely lucky ... but that darn luck is so consistent that I somehow get the feeling that how I explained it , is the real reality.

I'm perfectly aware of RNG's and all my gambling nonsense and also aware that what you had to say is the real 'reality' though.

But when a machine reacts somewhat consistently by allowing you a small win and then gradually taking it all back ....my mind tries to convince me that there is more to what that little chip is capable of doing.

But I can't argue against anything you stated above.

I'm not that stupid.

YET!
 

dude- I have seen everything. machines jackpot at the same time beside eachother played by a mother/ daughter on the same combination. two machine jackpotting beside eachother at the same time? maybe. jackpotting on the exact same combination w a mother daughter playing them? that's just inconceivable. ive seen back- to back- jp's more times than I can count. seen a guy dump 1000's chasing a progressive, get up and the next guy put a $20 in and hit on his first 3 spins- we've all heard about that- ive seen it.

in almost a decade in this industry if it has proven anything to me, it's that it is, 100% totally random.

and ps- I know you knew those things I wrote. this isn't your first BBQ. I'll tell you a story. had a guy come in all the time. Greek guy. sit at a certain $5 triple cash with straps of $100's and pump it. I got to know him quite well after time. we were having lunch one day and I asked him, 'so over the course of your play are you up or down?' he looked at me and said 'im prolly down over 250k. but I've always won when I needed too so it's never hurt me'

he got it. like he really got it- he knew gambling was a losing proposition. for him it was all about beating the machine, not the money. he knew he had been lucky, and also knew at any time his luck could run out. you remind me of him. most gamblers don't think like you guys, much less admit it. cause to admit it would mean they know over the course of their play they would lose money. that's not why gamblers play- they play to win. tough to admit knowing your going to lose. very strong to admit it.

[no one]

NO One, are you at liberty to say what you do within the casino industry?

I'm in slots stunt.

[reppingfor20]

NO One, are you at liberty to say what you do within the casino industry?

maybe he can talk to Jon lol.

[no one]

maybe he can talk to Jon lol.

the only way jon will ever win is if he never gambles again.

but he won't. it's an addiction as powerful as meth or crack. I hope he gets help before its too late cause he's red flag behaviors (industry talk for problem gamblers) all over the place. they lose everything. first it's the bank account. then it's cc debt. then the second and third mortgage in the house. then the wife leaves. after that... you don't hear a lot about. it's a shitty seedy industry and what you don't know would sicken you. why do you think you never hear from those guys/ women after all that happens to them. after they lose it all. why don't you hear about them anymore. you know why. nobody talks about it. god damn the gaming industry.

[Marshdogg]

the only way jon will ever win is if he never gambles again.

but he won't. it's an addiction as powerful as meth or crack. I hope he gets help before its too late cause he's red flag behaviors (industry talk for problem gamblers) all over the place. they lose everything. first it's the bank account. then it's cc debt. then the second and third mortgage in the house. then the wife leaves. after that... you don't hear a lot about. it's a shitty seedy industry and what you don't know would sicken you. why do you think you never hear from those guys/ women after all that happens to them. after they lose it all. why don't you hear about them anymore. you know why. nobody talks about it. god damn the gaming industry.

Gambling is random. Any luck, voodoo or whatever the fuck you believe in is just pure random chance.

Physical defects which result in more numbers coming up than usual are safeguarded with the fact that Casinos test, maintain & replace physical components of roulette machines or card shufflers to limit this variation.

[stuntmovie]

No One, thanks for that interesting post. I appreciate honest casino stories and I have quite a few of my own to pass on that you may find to be of interest.

Nothing earth-shattering though since the Boyz left town but if Keith was alive today he could verify some of the stuff I want to write about here but will most likely decline to do so for various reasons.

Peter G could also verify a lot of our LV experiences.

Small story that may be of interest ,,,,

The ORLEANS here in Vegas recently sent me a comped three night stay for no reason that I could think of unless one of the kids stold my card and put a lot of points on it.

So this afternoon I was in the Orleans and decided to pay a fast visit to Bill Boyd because his dad used to send us four to five free room nights including meals and various comps whcih we could use from the 26th of December through mid January each year.

I took advantage of that generous offer for many years and finally decided that it was time to look for one of the Boyd's and thank him personally.

BTW ... they used to live in Hawaii and once upon a time we were unaquainted neighbors.

So I went into his office today  but he was out and the  secretary set me up with an appointment to meet him tomorrow. (I like meeting various people who made this town what it is today and am looking forward to shaking  his hand and say, "Thanks!").

At one time or another I've had the opportunity to meet the majority of the old time casino owners including the likes of Benny Binion and his offspring, the Gaughans (spelling?), Bob Stupak, Steve Wynn, etc.

For some unknown reason I'm fascinated by LV history and casino games and enjoy talking about the best of times when this town was really happening and Binion's Horseshoe was the only place to hang your hat.

SO thanks for joinimg in.

[polychronopolous]

No One, thanks for that interesting post. I appreciate honest casino stories and I have quite a few of my own to pass on that you may find to be of interest.

Nothing earth-shattering though since the Boyz left town but if Keith was alive today he could verify some of the stuff I want to write about here but will most likely decline to do so for various reasons.

Peter G could also verify a lot of our LV experiences.

Small story that may be of interest ,,,,

The ORLEANS here in Vegas recently sent me a comped three night stay for no reason that I could think of unless one of the kids stold my card and put a lot of points on it.

So this afternoon I was in the Orleans and decided to pay a fast visit to Bill Boyd because his dad used to send us four to five free room nights including meals and various comps whcih we could use from the 26th of December through mid January each year.

I took advantage of that generous offer for many years and finally decided that it was time to look for one of the Boyd's and thank him personally.

BTW ... they used to live in Hawaii and once upon a time we were unaquainted neighbors.

So I went into his office today  but he was out and the  secretary set me up with an appointment to meet him tomorrow. (I like meeting various people who made this town what it is today and am looking forward to shaking  his hand and say, "Thanks!").

At one time or another I've had the opportunity to meet the majority of the old time casino owners including the likes of Benny Binion and his offspring, the Gaughans (spelling?), Bob Stupak, Steve Wynn, etc.

For some unknown reason I'm fascinated by LV history and casino games and enjoy talking about the best of times when this town was really happening and Binion's Horseshoe was the only place to hang your hat.

SO thanks for joinimg in.

Stuntmovie, I'm not really well versed on LV history but I had a chance to spend a few days back in January at the Monte Carlo and had a blast. A friend of mine said there was an old James Bond movie from back in the 60's or so where Bond is driving through the part that is now the New Strip but at that time it was just all mostly wide open desert land. Do you have any idea which movie this was? He said Bond was driving some old sports car through there and the camera angle allowed the viewer a really good view of the area before all the growth. I think that would be cool to watch if I could get the title of the film.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I'm in slots stunt.

[Jon Harridan]

Dude, you really don't understand probability, all the more reason to keep your money in your wallet.

Probability is why the "Win Line" system is there, to defeat it. The mathematics in such a system defeats the house edge safely and easily.

[Jon Harridan]

maybe he can talk to Jon lol.

Why is it so hard for you to keep your perseverance, and to not give up on the possibility of a genuine winning system? Don't let the big nasty casino get you down. Where's your never-say-die spirit? I'm certainly not a quitter.