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« on: May 07, 2012, 02:35:23 AM »

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/12-npc-jay-cutler/4313-jay-cutler-and-phil-heath-together-in-boston-for-the-jay-cutler-classic.html

the only pro who could beat him is kai, but its highly unlikely they will give it to him if he deserves to win.

jays over the hill, a 100% jay Cutler could beat Phil, but Phil is getting bigger and jay is getting older

wolf can't. victor can't. Dexter can't ..
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2012, 02:43:08 AM »

10 Mr O  Roll Eyes

You realize with Phil's structure he can be defeated pretty easy by guys like Evan and Kulco if they drug up Ronnie Coleman style.  He's too small structurally to hold on more than 6 years.  If so, it's a political call to get him up there with Ronnie and Haney.  That's BS!
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2012, 03:06:37 AM »



If Ed was a bit younger and bit the Ronnie bullet, he'd kill Phil.  Ten years is a long time for a small guy like Phil to hold on.

BTW, Troy has no legs. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2012, 03:09:18 AM »

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/12-npc-jay-cutler/4313-jay-cutler-and-phil-heath-together-in-boston-for-the-jay-cutler-classic.html

the only pro who could beat him is kai, but its highly unlikely they will give it to him if he deserves to win.

jays over the hill, a 100% jay Cutler could beat Phil, but Phil is getting bigger and jay is getting older

wolf can't. victor can't. Dexter can't ..

If wolfs was from the US he would already be Mr. O.

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2012, 03:12:55 AM »

3 TIME MR O Possible.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2012, 04:42:49 AM »

If wolf had a back like Dorian's, which was from another planet, he would already be Mr. O.


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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2012, 05:09:37 AM »

what it takes to win the O.... the level of training and other things...

not sure that's sustainable for 12+ years.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 05:40:17 AM »

phil will always be a horrible mr o because he cant change his structure. hes a small man with big arms

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 08:15:56 AM »

Phil doesnt have a dominate physique. He is good, but he doesnt out muscle guys like Ronnie did. Kai can beat him, but like the OP said, im not sure if the IFBB wants Kai representing the sport based on his past. But he aint going to win 10.

Kucklo has the tools to dominate once he matures. I think he will has a chance to tie Ronnie and Haney
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 08:50:32 AM »

Phil doesnt have a dominate physique. He is good, but he doesnt out muscle guys like Ronnie did. Kai can beat him, but like the OP said, im not sure if the IFBB wants Kai representing the sport based on his past. But he aint going to win 10.

Kucklo has the tools to dominate once he matures. I think he will has a chance to tie Ronnie and Haney

he has the tools but he isn't winning anything until he gets rid of that glaze look to his skin and gets on the sauce ronnie was on and branch is on.  until then, evan is closer.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 09:18:15 AM »

I don't see 10.......Phil will continue to get bigger but sooner or later his structure will suffer via injury, mutation...whatever.

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2012, 09:21:17 AM »

If Vic Martinez could stay out of jail (for an extended period of time) and dial it in (not look so smooth) he would have been Mr. O. He has the size and pretty good structure. Too bad he always looks smooth.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2012, 09:31:42 AM »

I can't see anyone beating Heath for at least 4-5 years.  The fact is he already won which gives him the advantage going into each contest, apparently Branch is the #2 guy in the world  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  really?  Branch?  Heath despite what we say, he's clean cut, very approachable and is a nice guy.  The Weiders know he won't do something stupid to embarass the IFBB or the Weiders.  He's a shoe in unless some Ronnie Coleman clone emerges out of nowhere in the next few years.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2012, 09:34:20 AM »

If Vic Martinez could stay out of jail (for an extended period of time) and dial it in (not look so smooth) he would have been Mr. O. He has the size and pretty good structure. Too bad he always looks smooth.

Plus his days are behind already.

He is old now. Expecting retirement in a year or two.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2012, 09:42:31 AM »

If Vic Martinez could stay out of jail (for an extended period of time) and dial it in (not look so smooth) he would have been Mr. O. He has the size and pretty good structure. Too bad he always looks smooth.

When he is ON, he can hang with Kai and Phil! He has the perfect combination of size and shape.
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2012, 09:49:49 AM »

impressive glutes on him though

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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2012, 10:09:09 AM »

Phil is good, but no way he wins 10.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2012, 10:12:43 AM »

If wolfs was from the US he would already be Mr. O.



What does Wolf not being American have to do with anything? Five the Mr. O winners came from other countries (Oliva, Schwarzeneeger, Columbu, Bannout, Yates).
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2012, 10:13:53 AM »



If Ed was a bit younger and bit the Ronnie bullet, he'd kill Phil.  Ten years is a long time for a small guy like Phil to hold on.

BTW, Troy has no legs. 

Those are the way legs SHOULD look. not like the other 3 on stage. Huge legs was a major step back for bodybuilding and look fuckin dumb. Troy has the best build on that stage by far.
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2012, 10:16:19 AM »

Phil doesnt have a dominate physique. He is good, but he doesnt out muscle guys like Ronnie did. Kai can beat him, but like the OP said, im not sure if the IFBB wants Kai representing the sport based on his past. But he aint going to win 10.

Kucklo has the tools to dominate once he matures. I think he will has a chance to tie Ronnie and Haney

Heath's record says differently. He's placed no lower than fifth in every contest in which he's competed (and those 5th places were at the ASC and the Olympia). He won his first two pro shows, beating several top Olympia guys in the process, when he was NOWHERE NEAR the size he is now.

His first Olympia in 2008, he placed 3rd (and some believe he should have placed second behind Jackson, as he did as the ASC that year).

Now, he's Mr. Olympia. I'd say that (so far) that's dominance.
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 10:49:31 AM »

If it wasn't for Ronnie, Jay would have 10 Olympias, 2001-2010.  I don't think Phil has the constitution to endure so many years of extreme drug use.  Also, some day there will be an Olympia challenger worth talking about that Phil won't be able to overcome structurally. 
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2012, 11:09:06 AM »

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/12-npc-jay-cutler/4313-jay-cutler-and-phil-heath-together-in-boston-for-the-jay-cutler-classic.html

the only pro who could beat him is kai, but its highly unlikely they will give it to him if he deserves to win.

jays over the hill, a 100% jay Cutler could beat Phil, but Phil is getting bigger and jay is getting older

wolf can't. victor can't. Dexter can't ..
OH YA cause there will be no new bodybuilders competing at all for now on right,... 10 years? lol
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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2012, 10:04:13 PM »

If it wasn't for Ronnie, Jay would have 10 Olympias, 2001-2010.  I don't think Phil has the constitution to endure so many years of extreme drug use.  Also, some day there will be an Olympia challenger worth talking about that Phil won't be able to overcome structurally.  

Ummm.....there's the little matter of Dexter Jackson beating Jay Cutler in 2008.

As far as Heath goes, name a guy with a supposedly better structure (other than Ronnie), whom Heath hasn't already beaten. He's beaten Greene; he's beaten Warren; he's beaten Cutler; he's beaten Martinez; he's beaten Wolf; he's beaten D. Jackson.

Who's left?

10 Olympias for Heath? That's a stretch, if for no other reason, because this whole "knock out the champ" mess is GONE. Prior to 2006, it'd been 22 years since a defending Mr. Olympia was beaten onstage (Haney defeating Bannout). Since then, that's happened FOUR TIMES: Jay beating Ronnie (2006); Dex beating Jay (2008); Jay beating Dex (2009); and now Phil beating Jay (2011).

Phil Heath needs another win, to establish a legacy of sorts. Unfair as it is, one-time Mr. Os don't even get the respect that certain "bridesmaids" do (i.e. Gaspari, Labrada, Ray, Levrone, Wheeler). They get more praise for coming in 2nd multiple times than do guys that won the Olympia just once.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2012, 10:25:53 PM »

Ummm.....there's the little matter of Dexter Jackson beating Jay Cutler in 2008.


The forgotten Mr. Olympia. Dexter gets no respect..
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2012, 10:26:41 PM »

Ummm.....there's the little matter of Dexter Jackson beating Jay Cutler in 2008.

As far as Heath goes, name a guy with a supposedly better structure (other than Ronnie), whom Heath hasn't already beaten. He's beaten Greene; he's beaten Warren; he's beaten Cutler; he's beaten Martinez; he's beaten Wolf; he's beaten D. Jackson.

Who's left?

True but bodybuilders don't move up the ladder 1 rung at a time, they come out of no where and some spring into action in giant leaps. Both Levrone and Wheeler 2nd in their Olympia debut, more importantly Levrone did it within 26 months of his first show ever, then Mike Francois came in winning 4 Pro shows rookie year, Ronnie went from 9th to first in a year, Cutler made a giant leap coming in second in 01, Gunter didn't even qualify for the Olympia the year he beat Ronnie, Gustavo came 3rd at the Olympia leap frogging everyone, and let's not forget how fast Phil got to the top, 5 years as a pro. Anyone can step up to the plate in a few years time. 10 years is impossible to claim in a sport like this, not to mention last years line up was very weak, let's see if Phil can do a second before we start thinking he has a lock on the title
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