Notre Dame files law suit against Obama. Awesome. FUBO!

[tu_holmes]

I'm refering to the requirement of providing contreception coverage in a group healthcare plan

That's not what my statement was referring too though.

It was referring to the bill as a whole.

Not just this one particular statute.

[Straw Man]

That's not what my statement was referring too though.

It was referring to the bill as a whole.

Not just this one particular statute.

I understand but my comments on this thread and the reference to the 28 states that preceded and mirror the federal requirement were just about access to contraception via group health care

[tu_holmes]

I understand but my comments on this thread and the reference to the 28 states that preceded and mirror the federal requirement were just about access to contraception via group health care

I am on the fence as far as "requiring" birth control.

While I do not think it's right for the Government to mandate things like that... My tax dollar would certainly like to not have any more welfare babies being created.

[Skip8282]

yeah zero evidence except the widely report number tha 98% of Caotholic woman use contraception

there is also the proof text of the ND Health Care plan that says they provide access to contraception

No CT needed

Why all the wasted energy trying to pretend otherwise ?

Exactly...you can provide ZERO evidence to substantiate your bullshit claims.

Now you've got to resort to spin, read between the lines, "it's not CT...it's all out there" 

All the typical bullshit spun by CT/birther nuts.


As I said earlier, when you have to resort to making shit up and spinning...you've got no argument.

You've got a hatred for religion and it's blinded you into stupidity.

[Skip8282]

Mmmmmmm, post proof of what you say. 

Don't hold your breath...I'm still waiting. 

[Skip8282]

Absolutely 100 percent... This shit needs to get done quick and it needs to go against Obama big time.

That healthcare bill was the biggest pile of shit ever.

Agreed.  The only thing I worry about is there are some good things that I like.  Not excluding pre-existing conditions, medicaid/medicare reform, and data consolidation to save money.

If they have to wipe it all out...so be it.  But, they need to address a lot of problems if that happens.

[Straw Man]

Don't hold your breath...I'm still waiting. 

Posted multiple times on this thread already starting with the pdf link that YOU posted

[Skip8282]

Posted multiple times on this thread already starting with the pdf link that YOU posted

My source discredits you.

Claiming possible fraud doesn't support your claim.

Claiming fraud in Medical marijuana in the state of California doesn't support your claim.

Claiming Catholics use contraception doesn't support your dumbass claim.


Support your bullshit claim...is that too much to ask?  Guess so.



I await some evidence.

[Skip8282]

Even funnier is you claiming the student plan should provide what the employee plan does...and you've got no fucking clue what's in the student plan, lololol

I love it when you leftist tools make shit up.

Guideline #1 rules the day!

[Straw Man]

My source discredits you.

Claiming possible fraud doesn't support your claim.

Claiming fraud in Medical marijuana in the state of California doesn't support your claim.

Claiming Catholics use contraception doesn't support your dumbass claim.


Support your bullshit claim...is that too much to ask?  Guess so.



I await some evidence.

Here's what your source says

we've been over the details already

If you want to pretend tht it doesn't provide contraception then be my guest

I'm sure the female employees at Notre Dame would get a laugh out of it just as the 98% of Catholic women who use contraception

IN University of Notre Dame

University Employees Covers oral contraceptives if for the “correction of existing pathologies
of the reproductive system" (with letter from physician establishing
medical necessity), but otherwise excludes coverage for oral
contraceptives and contraceptive devices unless “specifically requested
by a physician based on medical necessity and for purposes other than
contraception.” (Plan Summary 2010)

[Soul Crusher]

 .

Is it called politically progressive to champion the loss of freedom of the individual?  One day the international socialists movement (trokskyists) Will be as maligned as the national socialist movement(nazi).  You sir support intnational nazis.  Only this time around they dont base their caste system on racial basis.  It is based on ideological basis.  This thing aint over.  The world is only getting more volatile.  Change is never good.  It only ruins everyones life that is living through the attempted implimentation.  It is at best a gamble.  Saying the world wouold work better this way rather than the way we had it.  You have no idea how this change will turn out. For the better or the worse.  You cant be 100%sure about any change bein positive.  It could backfire,  It is arrogance and dangerous to gamble with the people of the worlds lives by playing with the social engines that drive our society.  These people who want change are dissatisfied with our system because they arent happy.  This is a dangerous group.  Its not a police state.  Its being se up to limit tye power of the majority and propel the minority.  These people are political mafia, obama and co.  Fuck em

[Skip8282]

Here's what your source says

we've been over the details already

If you want to pretend tht it doesn't provide contraception then be my guest

I'm sure the female employees at Notre Dame would get a laugh out of it just as the 98% of Catholic women who use contraception

Still struggling with your reading comprehension, eh?

Let me help you out.





"IN University of Notre Dame

University Employees Covers oral contraceptives if for the “correction of existing pathologies
of the reproductive system" (with letter from physician establishing
medical necessity), but otherwise excludes coverage for oral
contraceptives and contraceptive devices unless “specifically requested
by a physician based on medical necessity and for purposes other than
contraception.” (Plan Summary 2010)"

[Skip8282]

Still waiting for some evidence to support the claim..




Still waiting for you to show the student plan differs from the employee plan...

[Soul Crusher]

What part of "where. Does the fedzilla get the power to force everyone in to this in the first place? 

[Skip8282]

What part of "where. Does the fedzilla get the power to force everyone in to this in the first place? 

SCOTUS is about to decide that!

[Soul Crusher]

SCOTUS is about to decide that!

what I don't get with leftists like straw is that they love when Obama is forcing the hammer down on people under these crazy laws, but don't they realize that a palin or Santorum may come to power and likewise use such power to crush them too?   

that is why I am at such a loss to understand why leftists like this power grab by Barry.

[Skip8282]

what I don't get with leftists like straw is that they love when Obama is forcing the hammer down on people under these crazy laws, but don't they realize that a palin or Santorum may come to power and likewise use such power to crush them too?   

that is why I am at such a loss to understand why leftists like this power grab by Barry.

Because it's ok as long as it's something they agree with.

That and a pathetic hatred for people who believe other than he does, is why he'll desperately make shit up and try and spin things.

[Straw Man]

Still struggling with your reading comprehension, eh?

Let me help you out.





"IN University of Notre Dame

University Employees Covers oral contraceptives if for the “correction of existing pathologies
of the reproductive system" (with letter from physician establishing
medical necessity), but otherwise excludes coverage for oral
contraceptives and contraceptive devices unless “specifically requested
by a physician based on medical necessity and for purposes other than
contraception.” (Plan Summary 2010)"

just so we're all on the same page

you do agree that if a doctor prescribes The Pill to prevent acne you understand that it still works as contraception

right?

[Soul Crusher]

feel bad for you.   Move to Cuba or NK. 

just so we're all on the same page

you do agree that if a doctor prescribes The Pill to prevent acne you understand that it still works as contraception

right?

[Soul Crusher]

Democrat Commiteewoman Resigns from Party, Cites Her Catholic Faith
 National Catholic Register ^ | 5/28/12 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:42:20 AM by markomalley

Ann Nardelli has been a Catholic Democrat her entire life. Her father was one before her. And she couldn't imagine a day where that wouldn't be true.

But that day was Wednesday of last week.

I read a story about Jo Ann leaving the Democratic Party and was interested because she cited her Catholic faith as the reason.

So I gave her a call. I got her machine and as I was leaving a message she picked up. She said she'd been screening her calls because so many people have been calling to say nasty things to her or just pleading with her to change her mind. But when I called, saying I was with The National Catholic Register she picked up.

(snip)

Nardelli has always been a pro-life Democrat and felt that there was always room for that position in the party. But she said that for the past few years she's felt that the party was drifting further and further away from her. She said she never shied away from speaking about her Catholic faith or her pro-life views as a Democrat.

She said that for years she hoped that she could change the party from within, make it more in line with traditional values. "I thought I could make a difference to change our party. It didn’t work," she said. "I noticed it that it’s been going more and more to the left. This is not my father’s party. I did not leave the party, the party left me."

In a letter of resignation to the Democratic party, Nardelli cited her Catholic faith.


(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...

[Straw Man]

So, your name is straw man and you utilize the straw man argument in your posts. Hmmmm?  Sounds gimmicky.  Straw man constantly constructs straw men arguments.  Wont fall for your shit again.  Have fun trolling.  Damn lot of gimmicks on here.  Good one though.  Straw man. 

your post makes it obvious that you don't even know what a "straw man" argument even is

[Straw Man]

Democrat Commiteewoman Resigns from Party, Cites Her Catholic Faith
 National Catholic Register ^ | 5/28/12 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:42:20 AM by markomalley

Ann Nardelli has been a Catholic Democrat her entire life. Her father was one before her. And she couldn't imagine a day where that wouldn't be true.

But that day was Wednesday of last week.

I read a story about Jo Ann leaving the Democratic Party and was interested because she cited her Catholic faith as the reason.

So I gave her a call. I got her machine and as I was leaving a message she picked up. She said she'd been screening her calls because so many people have been calling to say nasty things to her or just pleading with her to change her mind. But when I called, saying I was with The National Catholic Register she picked up.

(snip)

Nardelli has always been a pro-life Democrat and felt that there was always room for that position in the party. But she said that for the past few years she's felt that the party was drifting further and further away from her. She said she never shied away from speaking about her Catholic faith or her pro-life views as a Democrat.

She said that for years she hoped that she could change the party from within, make it more in line with traditional values. "I thought I could make a difference to change our party. It didn’t work," she said. "I noticed it that it’s been going more and more to the left. This is not my father’s party. I did not leave the party, the party left me."

In a letter of resignation to the Democratic party, Nardelli cited her Catholic faith.


(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...

she quit over Obamas support for gay marriage and I'd be willing to be money she's used some form of contraception at some time in her life

http://www.politicspa.com/pa-dem-leader-defects-cites-gay-marriage/36001/

[Soul Crusher]

she quit over Obamas support for gay marriage and I'd be willing to be money she's used some form of contraception at some time in her life

http://www.politicspa.com/pa-dem-leader-defects-cites-gay-marriage/36001/

How fucking stupid are you?   Really? 

Why cant you not grasp the difference between forcing one to pay for others and a choice? 


Don't worry though - the Catholic Church is going to win this one too since a 1993 law written by schumer will carry the day on this.   

[Straw Man]

How fucking stupid are you?   Really? 
Why cant you not grasp the difference between forcing one to pay for others and a choice? 
Don't worry though - the Catholic Church is going to win this one too since a 1993 law written by schumer will carry the day on this.   

you didn't even bother to read the link did you?

her decision had nothing to do with contraception

[Soul Crusher]

you didn't even bother to read the link did you?

her decision had nothing to do with contraception

I was reacting to your statement about catholics and BC. 

Straw - what I find so amusing by you leftist progressive phonies is that you cheer on shit that Obama does that you were in the streets over when Bush did it, and now when Obama usurps even more power - you fools act like its ok - while ALL OF US KNOW THAN WHEN THE NEXT REPUB PRESIDENT DOES THE SAME THING YOU CLOWNS WILL AGAIN BE IN THE STREETS.