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Notre Dame sues Obama Administration over HHS rule
The Washington Examiner ^ | May 21, 2012 | David Freddoso




In 2009, President Obama delivered the commencement address at the University of Notre Dame. Now, Notre Dame is suing his administration over its insistence that Catholic schools and other institutions provide insurance coverage for sterilizations, contraceptives, and other abortifacient drugs without any meaningful opt-out for conscientious objectors.

Rev. John Jenkins, the university's president, was given much grief over his commencement invitation to President Obama in 2009. Today, he sent the following email to Notre Dame employees, announcing and explaining the lawsuit.


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Re: Notre Dame files law suit against Obama. Awesome. FUBO!
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2012, 08:22:40 PM »
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/forty-three-catholic-organizations-file-lawsuits-against-hhs-mandate


Awesome.   Fuck Obama and let him be put in steerage w an oar in hand shipping his ass back to wherever the fuck he came from.

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Re: Notre Dame files law suit against Obama. Awesome. FUBO!
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 05:17:02 AM »
Uphold religious freedom

By Boston Herald Editorial Staff
 Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - Updated 10 hours ago



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Even as the U.S. Supreme Court is considering the constitutional case against the health care mandates at the center of Obamacare, more than 40 Catholic dioceses and organizations have filed their own case against the law, charging a violation of their First Amendment right to freedom of religion.
 
Twelve separate cases filed across the country focus on the plan’s insistence that Catholic organizations include coverage for sterilization and birth control that violate church teachings.
 
“We have tried negotiation with the administration and legislation with the Congress — and we’ll keep at it — but there’s still no fix,” said New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, in a statement yesterday. “Time is running out.”

 

The Washington, D.C., archdiocese is also a party to the suit, where Cardinal Donald Wuerl reiterated, “The lawsuit in no way challenges either women’s established legal right to obtain and use contraception or the right of employers to provide coverage for it if they so choose. This lawsuit is about religious freedom.”
 
The Department of Health and Human Services crafted such a narrow definition of religious institutions (priests are no doubt relieved the church does not have to provide free birth control for them) as to be virtually meaningless.
 
However, as a website set up by the Washington archdiocese notes, “By including an exemption at all, the government apparently agrees that, in keeping with decades of practice and precedent, religious institutions should not be compelled to purchase drugs or procedures that violate deeply held religious or moral beliefs.”
 
The church will argue in court that it isn’t the government’s role to define what counts as “religious ministry” and, therefore, whether religious schools, hospitals and social service agencies can be forced to adhere to a policy that violates religious beliefs.
 
It is, of course, what happens when government overreaches. And that is the real problem with Obamacare.

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Re: Notre Dame files law suit against Obama. Awesome. FUBO!
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2012, 08:09:57 AM »
Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame
 Townhall.com ^ | May 23, 2012 | Terry Jeffrey




When President Barack Obama appeared at Notre Dame in 2009 to accept an honorary law degree and deliver the university's commencement address, he did not dodge the fact that he favored legalized abortion and that Notre Dame -- and the Catholic Church to which it belongs -- does not.

Obama went so far as to suggest that the wholesale state-sanctioned killing of innocent human beings in their mothers' wombs was just one of those things that intelligent, well-educated people in a civilized society ought to be able to agreeably disagree about.

Indeed, he condescended so far as to say that in his health care policies he would protect the consciences of those who did not want to be complicit in other people's abortions.

"Let's honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion, and draft a sensible conscience clause, and make sure that all of our health care policies are grounded not only in sound science, but also in clear ethics, as well as respect for the equality of women." Obama said. "Those are things we can do."

This week, Notre Dame sued Obama's administration, filing a complaint in federal court that is a systematic expose of the utter contempt the administration has shown for the consciences of those associated with Notre Dame and of Catholics in general.

In its complaint, Notre Dame explains that Obama secured passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare") only by convincing "pro-life" Democrats that no one in his administration would use the act to fund abortions or force people to act against their consciences.

"Congressman Stupak and other pro-life House members indicated that they would refuse to vote for the Senate version because it failed adequately to prohibit federal funding of abortion," says Notre Dame's complaint. "To appease these representatives, President Obama issued an executive order providing that no executive agency would authorize the federal funding of abortion services.

"The Act was, therefore, passed based on the central premise that all agencies would uphold and follow 'longstanding Federal laws to protect conscience' and to prohibit federal funding of abortion," says Notre Dame.

"That executive order," says Notre Dame, "was consistent with a 2009 speech that President Obama gave at Notre Dame, in which he indicated that his administration would honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion, and draft sensible conscience clauses."

Obama's executive order stated: "Under the Act, longstanding Federal laws to protect conscience ... remain intact and new protections prohibit discrimination against health care facilities and health care providers because of an unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions."

Obama, of course, did not tell the truth at Notre Dame. He did not tell the truth to Bart Stupak. He did not tell the truth in his executive order.

Notre Dame makes this quite clearly in its court filing.

"In stark contrast with the agreement essential to passage of the Affordable Care Act and President Obama's promise to protect religious liberty, the HHS's new guidelines required insurers and group health plans to cover 'all Food and Drug Administration approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling for all women with reproductive capacity,'" says the university's complaint.

"FDA-approved contraceptives that qualify under these guidelines include drugs that induce abortions," says Notre Dame. "For example, the FDA has approved 'emergency contraceptives' such as the morning-after pill (otherwise known as Plan B), which operates by preventing a fertilized embryo from implanting in the womb, and Ulipristal (otherwise known as HRP 2000 or Ella), which likewise can induce abortions of living embryos."

Not only did Obama fail to protect the consciences of American Catholics and Catholic institutions, including Notre Dame, he directly attacked their freedom of conscience through a regulation that requires virtually all Catholic lay people to buy, and virtually all Catholic institutions to provide, health-insurance plans that cover, without any fees or co-pay, multiple practices that violate the moral teachings of the Catholic Church.

Notre Dame states this, too, repeatedly -- and with force -- in its complaint against the Obama administration.

"All of the required 'contraceptive methods' and 'sterilization procedures' violate Notre Dame's well-established and sincerely held religious beliefs that prohibit contraception and sterilization to inhibit procreation," says Notre Dame.

"Notre Dame cannot, without violating its sincerely held religious beliefs, subsidize, facilitate, and/or sponsor coverage for abortifacients, sterilization services, contraceptives and related counseling services, which are inconsistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church," says the university.

"This unprecedented, direct assault on the religious beliefs of Notre Dame and all Catholics is irreconcilable with American law," says Notre Dame.

Three years ago, when Obama spoke at Notre Dame, I optimistically wrote that a rising generation of Americans may see Notre Dame's greatest comeback -- not on an athletic field but in a conflict over fundamental questions of morality on which the Catholic Church takes an inalterable stand.

Well, the Fighting Irish just ran the first play in their comeback drive. It was nothing fancy -- just a crashing blow through the right side of the line, the sort of smash-mouth play a strong and confident team can run for first down after first down until they push across the opponent's goal line.

Americans who love our Constitution and individual liberty should send a volley cheer on high and shake down the thunder from the sky.


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Re: Notre Dame files law suit against Obama. Awesome. FUBO!
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2012, 10:38:56 AM »
Fury Spreads: Catholic Leaders Join MRC Outrage Over Network Silence on Catholics vs
 Newsbusters | May 23, 2012 | Staff

Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:16:12 PM by bkopto

Nine prominent Catholic leaders have joined the Media Research Center to voice outrage over the broadcast networks deliberately withholding news of the momentous 43 Catholic entities suing the Obama administration for violating their religious freedoms.

They represent major organizations including the Acton Institute, Cardinal Newman Society, SBA List and others. More are coming in every hour.

There are 60 million Catholics in the US. The Catholic vote will be the most important swing vote this year. So it’s not just a major policy issue, it is one with massive political implications. Yet, 19 seconds of news coverage remains the only attention given by the evening broadcast networks. Two days after news broke, the tally is:

- ABC World News – ZERO seconds of coverage. But, last night there was time for a full report on sleep apnea and Katie Couric discussing how she met Queen Elizabeth; how she wore a peach coat and "a lovely peach hat."

- NBC Nightly News – ZERO seconds of coverage. But last night there was time to squeeze in a story on a new computer app that shows America's eating habits, "graphic evidence" of how we eat badly late at night.

- CBS Evening News – a brief 19 seconds of coverage on the evening the lawsuit became public. ZERO coverage last night. But there was time in the broadcast for a Cincinnati Reds baseball fan lucky enough to catch two home runs in left field.

“The intentional, deafening silence continues,” stated Brent Bozell, MRC President, “and we are not the only ones concerned. This deliberate censorship must come to an end.”


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Re: Notre Dame files law suit against Obama. Awesome. FUBO!
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 11:37:00 AM »
Considering they supply and pay for contraception for their employees I don't exactly see how they can't complain about allowing students to join together as a group and pay 100% of their premiums to supply themselves contraception.  The only thing the university is doing is allowing a group plan to be created and that's it.  The University is not being forced to pay for it

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Re: Notre Dame files law suit against Obama. Awesome. FUBO!
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2012, 11:38:59 AM »
Considering they supply and pay for contraception for their employees I don't exactly see how they can't complain about allowing students to join together as a group and pay 100% of their premiums to supply themselves contraception.  The only thing the university is doing is allowing a group plan to be created and that's it.  The University is not being forced to pay for it

What part of not being FORCED by Obama and and his gang of traitorous communists into compulsion do you not grasp? 


 

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2012, 11:41:53 AM »
What part of not being FORCED by Obama and and his gang of traitorous communists into compulsion do you not grasp?  

what are they being "forced" to do exactly

the group plan already existed and the University didn't pay one penny of the premiums

the only difference is now the plan will include contraception

it will still be paid 100% by the students just like it was before

Considering that the University healthcare plan already provideds contraception (and I think also vasectomies) for their employees and the Univeristy actually pays part of those preimiums they really have no grounds to bitch and moan

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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2012, 11:45:28 AM »
what are they being "forced" to do exactly

the group plan already existed and the University didn't pay one penny of the premiums

the only difference is now the plan will include contraception

it will still be paid 100% by the students just like it was before

Considering that the University healthcare plan already provideds contraception (and I think also vasectomies) for their employees and the Univeristy actually pays part of those preimiums they really have no grounds to bitch and moan


No employer or individual should be forced to provide anything as dictated by the kenyan ghetto traitor IMHO.   

Who the fuck is obama and that disgusting c  unt rag pelosi to be forcing private businesses into what they have to provide? 


I swaer - you leftists were always batty and mad, but you fools have no idea just how far you have delved into totalitarian marxism and communism by supporting this criminal junta aka obama admn.   

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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2012, 12:01:57 PM »

No employer or individual should be forced to provide anything as dictated by the kenyan ghetto traitor IMHO.  

Who the fuck is obama and that disgusting c  unt rag pelosi to be forcing private businesses into what they have to provide?  


I swaer - you leftists were always batty and mad, but you fools have no idea just how far you have delved into totalitarian marxism and communism by supporting this criminal junta aka obama admn.    

and they are not being forced to provide anything

they already created the group plan and no one forced them to do that

they are not paying one penny of the premium and that is not changing either

so what are they bitching about?

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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2012, 06:57:52 PM »
Considering they supply and pay for contraception for their employees I don't exactly see how they can't complain about allowing students to join together as a group and pay 100% of their premiums to supply themselves contraception.  The only thing the university is doing is allowing a group plan to be created and that's it.  The University is not being forced to pay for it



You keep claiming that, but what's the source?

This sources says otherwise:
http://www.nwlc.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/catholic_affiliated_institutions_that_provide_contraceptive_coverage_chart.pdf



33 - If they cover it like Straw claims...would they even have standing?

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2012, 07:15:05 PM »
Simple - because the insurance they are. Forced to buy is forced to cover it.   

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43 Catholic organizations, including Notre Dame, sue Obama administration over HHS mandate
Life Site News ^ | May 21, 2012 | BEN JOHNSON
Posted on May 21, 2012 5:59:33 PM EDT by NYer

SOUTH BEND, INDIANA, May 21, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – In a coordinated defense of religious liberty, at 11 a.m. 43 Roman Catholic organizations filed a dozen lawsuits nationwide to strike down the HHS mandate.

The plaintiffs include some of the most significant organs of the U.S. church, including the Archdioceses of New York, Washington, D.C., and St. Louis; the Dioceses of Dallas, Fort Wayne-South Bend, Ft. Worth, the Michigan Catholic Conference, Pittsburgh, and Rockville Centre; the University of Notre Dame, Catholic University of America, and the Franciscan University of Steubenville; and Our Sunday Visitor.

The Archdiocese of Washington has created a website dedicated to the new lawsuit. Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C., called the mandate a “government attempt to force the Church out of the public square.”

“The Catholic rebellion has begun,” said Catholic League President Bill Donohue in a statement e-mailed to LifeSiteNews.com.

The HHS mandate “amounts to nothing less than a grave threat to our constitutionally protected First Amendment right to freedom of religion,” said Franciscan University President Father Terence Henry, TOR. He added, although they never envisioned taking such a step, the board of trustees unanimously approved the lawsuit.

Our Sunday Visitor linked its involvement to the legacy of its founder, Fr. John Noll, who fought the political clout of the Ku Klux Klan as that organization attempted to impose anti-Catholic policies at the turn of the 20th century. “Today, Our Sunday Visitor stands proudly with our fellow Catholic apostolates and with our bishops in resisting this challenge,” the publication announced in a press release.

Perhaps nothing so encapsulated President Obama’s fall from grace with American Catholics than the participation of the University of Notre Dame, where his invitation to deliver the 2009 commencement address stirred controversy. 

“We have filed this lawsuit neither lightly nor gladly, but with sober determination,” wrote Notre Dame President Fr. John Jenkins in a letter explaining his actions. “Let me say very clearly what this lawsuit is not about: it is not about preventing women from having access to contraception, nor even about preventing the [g]overnment from providing such services…We do not seek to impose our religious beliefs on others; we simply ask that the [g]overnment not impose its values on the University when those values conflict with our religious teachings.”

Notre Dame does not qualify for the administration’s religious exemption because, although it is “firmly grounded in the tenets of Catholicism,” it does not primarily employ or serve other Roman Catholics.

“Notre Dame cannot be forced to give up its beliefs on abortifacients, sterilization, or contraception, nor its devotion to serving all mankind, without violating its religious beliefs and compromising its religious purpose,” the university’s legal complaint states.

Fr. Jenkins writes that he had registered his objection to the administration’s overly narrow religious exemption numerous times without satisfaction.

The university’s legal complaint states that after Obama announced an “accommodation” that would require insurance companies to directly provide contraceptives to employees and students for “free,” college officials “informed the White House that such a policy would not help Notre Dame, which is self-insured, and would not protect its religious liberties.”

The lawsuit argues the government has no compelling interest in the mandate, that forcing a religious institution to finance abortifacient drugs is not the least restrictive means of providing them, that the rule burdens the university’s free exercise of religion, and that it favors those religions that either favor abortion or have no interest in serving members of other religions.

The university’s health care plan is not grandfathered, and officials maintain they are not certain if it qualifies for the one-year “safe harbor” that extends the implementation of the HHS mandate past the election, into August 2013. The uncertainty over future regulations makes it impossible for the university to plan for its future.

If religious institutions fail to comply with the regulations promulgated next year, they could face a penalty of $100 per day per individual covered. In an online video, Chancellor Jane Belford of the Archdiocese of Washington said that could cost that diocese $4.2 million a year.

Although Fr. Jenkins does “not question the good intentions and sincerity” of administration officials, he warned if the HHS mandate were accepted, it “will be the end of genuinely religious organizations in all but name.”   

Even some liberal Catholics have greeted today’s lawsuit as a positive step. Michael Sean Winters writes at the dissenting National Catholic Reporter, “The lawsuit, and Jenkins’ commentary, are very good news.”

“First, I doubt there is anyone who could charge Notre Dame with being unreasonably hostile to the Ibama [sic] administration,” he wrote. Yet “the administration has still refused to back off the four-part test” to grant an institution a religious exemption “that was, and is, for many of us, the principal difficulty in finding a solution.”

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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2012, 07:23:39 PM »


You keep claiming that, but what's the source?

This sources says otherwise:
http://www.nwlc.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/catholic_affiliated_institutions_that_provide_contraceptive_coverage_chart.pdf



33 - If they cover it like Straw claims...would they even have standing?

your link is the source (I've posted this before back on one of the Fluke threads )

All you need to do is tell your doctore you need contracteption for something other than contraception and the  Notre Dame happily pays for it.   How many woman work at Notre Dame do you think are getting the pill to : reduce menstrual cramps, help keep their skin clear, reduce excessive menstrual bleeding, reduce hormone related migraines, prevent/reduce occurance of Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, lower risk of Ovanian cander, etc...

somehow it's ok to prevent conception as long as it's not your primary goal

Shit, the Catholic church is against using condoms in Africa even though that country is ravaged with AIDS but somehow they don't mind paying for the pill if it helps keep your skin clear

Below are he plans at Notres Dame and Georgetown


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University of Notre Dame
University Employees
Covers oral contraceptives if for the “correction of existing pathologies of the reproductive system" (with letter from physician establishing medical necessity), but otherwise excludes coverage for oral contraceptives and contraceptive devices unless “specifically requested by a physician based on medical necessity and for purposes other than contraception.” (Plan Summary 2010)


Here is Georgetown  (where Sandra Fluke attends law school)

Georgetown University
University Employees
“Plan Includes: …Contraceptive drugs and devices obtainable from a pharmacy.” (Aetna Plan, Effective Date 1/1/2012) Georgetown offers three other medical insurance plans to its employees. One of the three other plans explicitly mentions contraceptives by excluding coverage “of oral contraceptives for birth control.” It is possible that this plan covers oral contraceptives if prescribed for other reasons besides birth control. (Choice Plus, Plan 012M, Effective 1/1/2012)

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2012, 07:25:16 PM »
Simple - because the insurance they are. Forced to buy is forced to cover it.   

who do you think is forced to buy it?

the students pay for 100% of the premium and the insurance companies would rather given contraception because it SAVES THEM MONEY in the long run


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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2012, 07:27:46 PM »
who do you think is forced to buy it?

the students pay for 100% of the premium and the insurance companies would rather given contraception because it SAVES THEM MONEY in the long run




LOL.  I love how. Leftists like yourself make that claim as if you clowns know more then the adjusters and actuaries at the companies.   

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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2012, 07:33:11 PM »


You keep claiming that, but what's the source?

This sources says otherwise:
http://www.nwlc.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/catholic_affiliated_institutions_that_provide_contraceptive_coverage_chart.pdf



33 - If they cover it like Straw claims...would they even have standing?

here's what my Alma Mater covers for their employees

CA*
Santa Clara University
University Employees
Covers tubal ligation, vasectomy.

btw  did you notice the asterisk next to many of these institutions

* Indicates state law already requires contraceptive coverage

28 states already require any health insurance plance to require contraception and many Reulican Governors and Legisslatures passed these laws.       

Where was all the bitching and moaning about religious freedom when Republican were the one enacting the very same requirements?


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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2012, 07:35:10 PM »

LOL.  I love how. Leftists like yourself make that claim as if you clowns know more then the adjusters and actuaries at the companies.   

I've read that in many places and if you think about it would an insurance company prefer to provide a cheap pill or would they rather provide cancer treatment or a bunch of other much more expensive servces

now, who do you think is being forced to buy insurance?

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2012, 07:41:30 PM »
I've read that in many places and if you think about it would an insurance company prefer to provide a cheap pill or would they rather provide cancer treatment or a bunch of other much more expensive servces

now, who do you think is being forced to buy insurance?

under StalinbamaCare everyone is forced in to mandatory minimum coverages for bullshit that most will never use. 

ghettobamaCare is the worst of All possible outcomes.

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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2012, 07:43:12 PM »
under StalinbamaCare everyone is forced in to mandatory minimum coverages for bullshit that most will never use. 

ghettobamaCare is the worst of All possible outcomes.

28 eight states already have the EXACT SAME REQUIREMENT and many were passed by Republicans

why not a word about it until now?


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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2012, 07:45:40 PM »
28 eight states already have the EXACT SAME REQUIREMENT and many were passed by Republicans

why not a word about it until now?



because there is something called the 10th amendment you leftist thug.

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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2012, 07:50:55 PM »
Isnt it snobbery to decide what kind of birth control you want and the employer is forced to pay for it.  Wear a fucking condom you snobby biyches.  There are other methods of contraception.  This is like an unfair benefit for fornicators.  What if there is a lady there who don get the cock.  Abstinent for religious or medical reason. And another lady who is a cock loving slut. The slut wants pills.  The slut is getting more compensation than her.  Jsut because she wants to throw her snatch around town?  What is the uptight lady gonna get of equivelant value?  Oh and the other lady when she goes off the pill, does the employer gitta pay for en vitro fertilization and then give the bitch a year off to raise the little rug rat?  All while the abstinent lady has been working hard as fuck and more burden because of the sluts higher cost and less productivity.  Nonsense.  Wear a condom you snobby whores ::). Because you choose to have sex, your employer should not have to fork over money.


crude - but spot on. 

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2012, 08:51:21 AM »
Evangelicals respond to Catholic lawsuits: ‘We are all Catholic now’
 LifeSitenews.com ^ | May 22, 2012 | by Ben Johnson




WASHINGTON, D.C., May 22, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Obama administration’s HHS mandate has united Christians of all stripes – evangelical, historical Protestant, and Roman Catholic – as they close ranks behind a flurry of lawsuits filed yesterday morning to overturn the controversial measure and stall government interference in religion.

After 43 Catholic institutions – including the major archdioceses, dioceses, universities, and publishing houses affiliated with the Church in the United States – filed a dozen lawsuits to strike the measure down on First Amendment grounds, the Christian and conservative communities quickly applauded the move. President Obama with Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, who is behind the controversial birth control mandate.

“I have said ‘We are all Catholic now,’ and this is why,” said Concerned Women for America (CWA) President Penny Nance. “The religious community stands together in the belief that this contraception, chemical abortion, and sterilization mandate would force us to pay for something many of us believe is morally repugnant.”

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Note that Richard Viguerie is quoted towards the end of the article urging Church Leadership (Christian) to get involved in this fray


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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2012, 12:54:44 PM »

crude - but spot on. 

and just as ignorant as ever

employers are not being forced to pay for it and condoms aren't the same thing as the pill EXCEPT For the prevention of contraception and the spread of disease and let's not forget that the church doesn't approve of condoms either, not even to prevent HIV


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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2012, 06:54:42 PM »
your link is the source (I've posted this before back on one of the Fluke threads )

All you need to do is tell your doctore you need contracteption for something other than contraception and the  Notre Dame happily pays for it.   How many woman work at Notre Dame do you think are getting the pill to : reduce menstrual cramps, help keep their skin clear, reduce excessive menstrual bleeding, reduce hormone related migraines, prevent/reduce occurance of Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, lower risk of Ovanian cander, etc...

somehow it's ok to prevent conception as long as it's not your primary goal

Shit, the Catholic church is against using condoms in Africa even though that country is ravaged with AIDS but somehow they don't mind paying for the pill if it helps keep your skin clear

Below are he plans at Notres Dame and Georgetown


IN
University of Notre Dame
University Employees
Covers oral contraceptives if for the “correction of existing pathologies of the reproductive system" (with letter from physician establishing medical necessity), but otherwise excludes coverage for oral contraceptives and contraceptive devices unless “specifically requested by a physician based on medical necessity and for purposes other than contraception.” (Plan Summary 2010)


Here is Georgetown  (where Sandra Fluke attends law school)

Georgetown University
University Employees
“Plan Includes: …Contraceptive drugs and devices obtainable from a pharmacy.” (Aetna Plan, Effective Date 1/1/2012) Georgetown offers three other medical insurance plans to its employees. One of the three other plans explicitly mentions contraceptives by excluding coverage “of oral contraceptives for birth control.” It is possible that this plan covers oral contraceptives if prescribed for other reasons besides birth control. (Choice Plus, Plan 012M, Effective 1/1/2012)




I don't know how many and clearly you're just grasping at straws guessing.

In any event, despite your attempted portrayal, it's clear that what they cover now is not what they will be required to cover under obamacare.