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(Reuters) - Neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman made statements to police that help establish his guilt in the second-degree murder case against him for killing unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, prosecutors said in a court filing on Thursday.

The claim came in a motion by prosecutors to keep some of Zimmerman's statements under seal pending his trial in a case that triggered civil rights protests across the United States, while sparking widespread debate over guns, self-defense laws and U.S. race relations.

"Defendant (Zimmerman) has provided law enforcement with numerous statements, some of which are contradictory, and are inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses," the prosecutors said in their court filing.

They said the statements by Zimmerman were admissible in court and "in conjunction with other statements and evidence help to establish defendant's guilt in this case."

The court filing offered no details about the statements Zimmerman made to police or other law enforcement officials. It said Florida's public records law had no provision requiring "the disclosure of a confession" of a defendant.

"The state asserts that this provision includes an admission of a defendant that could be used against him at trial," the filing said.

Zimmerman, 28 is charged with shooting and killing the 17-year-old Martin as he walked through a gated residential community in Sanford, Florida, near Orlando, on February 26.

Police initially declined to arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "Stand Your Ground" self-defense law, but a special prosecutor who was subsequently appointed charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty.

In a separate court filing on Thursday, Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara joined in the motion to keep his client's statements out of the public eye for the time being.

"There is the possibility that these statements may be subject to motions to suppress, if there is a potentially involuntary statement elicited from Mr. Zimmerman," O'Mara said.

"The release of that information would be highly prejudicial to Mr. Zimmerman's case, and again, would adversely affect the proper administration of justice," he said.

O'Mara also asked the judge to withhold what he said were thousands of emails received by the Sanford police about the case, some of which are racially charged, and Zimmerman's own text messages, emails and journal entries obtained by prosecutors as part of their evidence gathering.

Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester set a June 1 hearing to consider the motions for a protective order.



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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2012, 11:40:35 AM »
(Reuters) - Neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman made statements to police that help establish his guilt in the second-degree murder case against him for killing unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, prosecutors said in a court filing on Thursday.

The claim came in a motion by prosecutors to keep some of Zimmerman's statements under seal pending his trial in a case that triggered civil rights protests across the United States, while sparking widespread debate over guns, self-defense laws and U.S. race relations.

"Defendant (Zimmerman) has provided law enforcement with numerous statements, some of which are contradictory, and are inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses," the prosecutors said in their court filing.

They said the statements by Zimmerman were admissible in court and "in conjunction with other statements and evidence help to establish defendant's guilt in this case."

The court filing offered no details about the statements Zimmerman made to police or other law enforcement officials. It said Florida's public records law had no provision requiring "the disclosure of a confession" of a defendant.

"The state asserts that this provision includes an admission of a defendant that could be used against him at trial," the filing said.

Zimmerman, 28 is charged with shooting and killing the 17-year-old Martin as he walked through a gated residential community in Sanford, Florida, near Orlando, on February 26.

Police initially declined to arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "Stand Your Ground" self-defense law, but a special prosecutor who was subsequently appointed charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty.

In a separate court filing on Thursday, Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara joined in the motion to keep his client's statements out of the public eye for the time being.

"There is the possibility that these statements may be subject to motions to suppress, if there is a potentially involuntary statement elicited from Mr. Zimmerman," O'Mara said.

"The release of that information would be highly prejudicial to Mr. Zimmerman's case, and again, would adversely affect the proper administration of justice," he said.

O'Mara also asked the judge to withhold what he said were thousands of emails received by the Sanford police about the case, some of which are racially charged, and Zimmerman's own text messages, emails and journal entries obtained by prosecutors as part of their evidence gathering.

Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester set a June 1 hearing to consider the motions for a protective order.

I'm not even the slightest bit suprised by this


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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2012, 12:17:22 PM »
"Defendant (Zimmerman) has provided law enforcement with numerous statements, some of which are contradictory, and are inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses," the prosecutors said in their court filing

I've been saying this for a month now

I knew it from the moment I heard that 911 call "he looks like hes on drugs OR SOMETHING".   If you'll just "wing it" on a 911 call, you will most certainly spin a nice yarn with the blood of a minor on your hands. 

He lied to police.  I knew it.  Most of us knew it.  Only the few people who still believe Cain never did anything inappropriate in 43 years still believe Zimm told thr truth that night.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2012, 01:12:29 PM »

"Defendant (Zimmerman) has provided law enforcement with numerous statements, some of which are contradictory, and are inconsistent with the physical evidence and statements of witnesses," the prosecutors said in their court filing.



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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 01:23:51 PM »
Rule #1 - Don't say jackshit without your attorney.

Cops haul you in...shut the fuck up.

Even the most innocent remark can sometimes be construed negatively.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 01:30:06 PM »
Rule #1 - Don't say jackshit without your attorney.

Cops haul you in...shut the fuck up.

Even the most innocent remark can sometimes be construed negatively.

very true but Zimm doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb in the lamp and it seems he had a previous encounters with the cops and was known to them so he quite likely felt comfortable and just starting blabbing away

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 01:39:48 PM »
Well - this could really fuck him depending on what he said.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 01:47:03 PM »
Well - this could really fuck him depending on what he said.

if his story contains any fabrication then it's almost impossible to keep the lies consistent, especially when they start to compare it step by step with what happened that night, what he told his friends, what he might have texted etc...

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 01:52:13 PM »
if his story contains any fabrication then it's almost impossible to keep the lies consistent, especially when they start to compare it step by step with what happened that night, what he told his friends, what he might have texted etc...


the 911 call he made picked up a lot of things.
the 911 calls of others recorded his yelling before the shooting. 

They interviewed him for a few ohurs, right?  His 85 IQ ass was making it up as he went, probably.  Just liek he did on the phone - "he's reaching in his waistband, now he has something in his hands..."

There's a time to exaggerate, but giving a statement to the cops while a kid is on ice is NOT one of them.

Even better will be when the statements his dad/brother made to the media DONT match what he told the police haha.  Brutal 'lets taint the jury pool" tactics.  Little bitches.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2012, 03:22:56 PM »
Zimmerman's Self Defense Claim.... ;D

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2012, 06:05:20 PM »
he's coming right at us hahahahahhahahaha

fucker shot a kid.  trying to be a hero.  little beyotch.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2012, 05:45:19 AM »
(Reuters) - Neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman made statements to police that help establish his guilt in the second-degree murder case against him for killing unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, prosecutors said in a court filing on Thursday.

The claim came in a motion by prosecutors to keep some of Zimmerman's statements under seal pending his trial in a case that triggered civil rights protests across the United States, while sparking widespread debate over guns, self-defense laws and U.S. race relations.

In a separate court filing on Thursday, Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara joined in the motion to keep his client's statements out of the public eye for the time being.

it seems weird that a guy who didn't lie, didn't break any laws, and was only defending himself woudln't want his honorable and heroic interview being put out there.

if there are no lies or inconsistencies as the getbig defense claims, then what's the problem?  It would only give the jury pool reassurance of this man's innocence.

(This is the part where getbiggers dig deeper in their defense of the obama-voting, fiance-beating, LEO-assaulting, gun-toting lying her known as the zimmerman".

Golly, it's gonna be so silent on getbig once the interview comes out and we discover what those of us with bullshit detectors already knew - this cat was lying and exaggerating left and right in that interview.  There's a damn good reason the lead detective wanted to charge him that night - he heard every word and believed zimm was lying.

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2012, 03:44:33 PM »
it seems weird that a guy who didn't lie, didn't break any laws, and was only defending himself woudln't want his honorable and heroic interview being put out there.

if there are no lies or inconsistencies as the getbig defense claims, then what's the problem?  It would only give the jury pool reassurance of this man's innocence.

(This is the part where getbiggers dig deeper in their defense of the obama-voting, fiance-beating, LEO-assaulting, gun-toting lying her known as the zimmerman".

Golly, it's gonna be so silent on getbig once the interview comes out and we discover what those of us with bullshit detectors already knew - this cat was lying and exaggerating left and right in that interview.  There's a damn good reason the lead detective wanted to charge him that night - he heard every word and believed zimm was lying.




How so?  The only split I see on the board on people like you and Mal who have convicted him already...and those of us saying let the system work.  ::)

BTW, even if he is convicted, 9/10ths of your bullshit...will still be bullshit.   ;)

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2012, 04:47:37 PM »
How so?  The only split I see on the board on people like you and Mal who have convicted him already...and those of us saying let the system work.  ::)
BTW, even if he is convicted, 9/10ths of your bullshit...will still be bullshit.   ;)

A few getbiggers have said from minute 1 that zimm wasn't bullshitting police, wasn't lying, and they believed him.

For me, the bullshit detector went off from the phone call and it only got worse when his dad/brother went on the news to taint the jury pool with more obvious lies "60 seconds of head smashing" and "He said you die tonight" - things that weren't backup up by 911 calls or physical evidence.  Also they were 4-point, textbook justified force, something that didn't jive with the leadd detective's assessment when he wanted to charge zimm that night.

So anytime a politician, a shooter citing gun law irresponsibly, or anyone else comes out with a lie so obvious it is insulting, I cringe.  I prefer an honest evil man over a half-ass who lies thru his teeth.

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2012, 04:56:56 PM »
A few getbiggers have said from minute 1 that zimm wasn't bullshitting police, wasn't lying, and they believed him.

For me, the bullshit detector went off from the phone call and it only got worse when his dad/brother went on the news to taint the jury pool with more obvious lies "60 seconds of head smashing" and "He said you die tonight" - things that weren't backup up by 911 calls or physical evidence.  Also they were 4-point, textbook justified force, something that didn't jive with the leadd detective's assessment when he wanted to charge zimm that night.

So anytime a politician, a shooter citing gun law irresponsibly, or anyone else comes out with a lie so obvious it is insulting, I cringe.  I prefer an honest evil man over a half-ass who lies thru his teeth.
What are you talking about? Everyone pretty much said the same thing - were being fed a line of BS by the media, lets wait to see what comes of it.
As evidence presented itself, it appeared he was going to get off. Now that there are claims that his story has contradictions, its more of a crapshoot again.

You and youre troop are the only retards that had this guy convicted day 1 - and its all because you let MSNBC do your thinking for you.
Youve done nothing but spout "My BS meter" and MSNBC talking points since the 1st fucking day.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2012, 05:38:10 PM »
What are you talking about? Everyone pretty much said the same thing - were being fed a line of BS by the media, lets wait to see what comes of it.
As evidence presented itself, it appeared he was going to get off. Now that there are claims that his story has contradictions, its more of a crapshoot again.

I disagree.  I believe a lot of getbiggers have been very vocal about "ZImmerman is gonna walk!"   Not a lot of "let's be patient and see what happens" from either site.  This is a discussion board.  It's designed to talk about the 'what ifs' of the case.    333386 posting 'zimmerman winning' for example.

It'll be funny to see people 'disowning' zimmerman as the facts come to light. 

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2012, 05:50:53 PM »
240, were you assbangin' Trayvon or something?  You seem to be WAY to overly invested in this case.  Everytime something like this comes out, which this article does absolutely ZERO of explaining anything, you are so quick to play the "told you so" card when in reality the article said nothing and none of us knows what really went down that night.  You have interjected so much speculation and conjecture into this that you just keep getting in further and further.  Have a beer and relax a bit......it's not like the kid was going to finish Beethoven's.....you know the rest.

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2012, 06:03:46 PM »
240, were you assbangin' Trayvon or something?  You seem to be WAY to overly invested in this case.  Everytime something like this comes out, which this article does absolutely ZERO of explaining anything, you are so quick to play the "told you so" card when in reality the article said nothing and none of us knows what really went down that night.  You have interjected so much speculation and conjecture into this that you just keep getting in further and further.  Have a beer and relax a bit......it's not like the kid was going to finish Beethoven's.....you know the rest.
Lol, you know its bad when a random 3rd party that never really posts on the political board calls you out on your horseshit.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2012, 09:35:55 PM »
it's beacuse zimmerman was so quick to use the 'stand your ground' defense - a useful part of FL law which is very much in danger now, thanks to the national campaign by bloomberg which will piggyback this trial.

Gun rights will be eroded.  Anyone who shoots someone legally is going to have more trouble convincing a jury.  ZImmerman is a pig who coudln't wait for police.  He had to go try to be a hero and WORST of all - he lied about thigns to police regarding a self-defense shoot.  This means anytime me or 33 or anyone else legally shoots someone, we have to face the stigma he creates.  it's undeniable.  Jurors punish injustice in future cases.  and prosecutors and police will be VERY quick  to indict (just in case) to cover their asses thanks to sanford PD's shitty handling of things.

So that's why I hate zimmerman.  Trayvon belonged in jail for drug crimes, I'm not bedwetter there.  I'm mad zimmerman decided to create a violent situation instead of letting police do their job.  He wasn't in danger - in fact, trayvon was running from him. HE created the dangerous situation by chasing down a scared kid in the dark with a gun.   

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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2012, 09:58:33 PM »
240, were you assbangin' Trayvon or something?  You seem to be WAY to overly invested in this case.  Everytime something like this comes out, which this article does absolutely ZERO of explaining anything, you are so quick to play the "told you so" card when in reality the article said nothing and none of us knows what really went down that night.  You have interjected so much speculation and conjecture into this that you just keep getting in further and further.  Have a beer and relax a bit......it's not like the kid was going to finish Beethoven's.....you know the rest.
Yes. People who you disagree with are obviously engaged in homosexual behavior.

Way to elevate the debate, stud.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2012, 10:02:12 PM »
my disgust with zimm isn't about trayvon.  it's about people who lie and risk all of our rights while doing so.  It's about insecure people who carry a gun not to protect themselves but to be a hero and deliver justice.  He should have waited in his truck - or driven his truck to trayvon.

He needed that confrontation to get trayvon in jail.  That's what he wanted.  get the kid to swing, police pull up and save him, the kid gets a year of assault and he's the guy who saved them all.    Didn't count on sanford PD being slow as molasses and the kid going iron mike on him. 

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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2012, 04:15:56 AM »
my disgust with zimm isn't about trayvon.  it's about people who lie and risk all of our rights while doing so.  It's about insecure people who carry a gun not to protect themselves but to be a hero and deliver justice.  He should have waited in his truck - or driven his truck to trayvon.

He needed that confrontation to get trayvon in jail.  That's what he wanted. get the kid to swing, police pull up and save him, the kid gets a year of assault and he's the guy who saved them all.    Didn't count on sanford PD being slow as molasses and the kid going iron mike on him. 
Wow.
How do you know this? Did he tell you? Do you know him? Oh, wait, you dont.

Never go to jury duty please.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2012, 07:01:01 AM »
like i said before all these zimmerman backers would be singing a different tune if it was their son walking home with a bag of skittles and an ice tea and was shot dead because he fit a description,you know, black

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2012, 07:44:12 AM »
Wow.
How do you know this? Did he tell you? Do you know him? Oh, wait, you dont.

Never go to jury duty please.

we all have our theories about what happened that night.

Some getbiggers believe zimmerman.  Some believe the prosecutor. 

My belief is based upon his long history of calling police of next-to-nothing, his anger he showed on that tape about burglars, the fact he believed trayon was 'one of them' despite zero evidence of that. 

he knew the law.  "These assholes always get away" - Zimmerman didn't let that happen this time.  He was pro-active, following when the 911 man advised against it, and common sense dictates you don't create a confrontation when you don't have to.

SO my belief is that he was tired of these assholes getting away, and knew the police would be there any second.  He wanted to be standing there, a victim of an assault, with them witnessing it so he could file charges and maybe find his bike when they searched the kid's house.

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Re: Trayvon's killer said to make self-incriminating statements
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2012, 07:56:36 AM »
like i said before all these zimmerman backers would be singing a different tune if it was their son walking home with a bag of skittles and an ice tea and was shot dead because he fit a description,you know, black
LMFAO by "zimmerman backers" do you mean the ppl who want to let the court do its job and decide his guilt/innocence on the facts?

typical liberal tactic, take a view point you dont like and assign unfounded attributes to the person and stance.