Dorian Yates - two pics - very good quality

[OTHstrong]

I would shoot myself in the face if Rhul actually won a contest against Zane.  Ruhl was all balloon.

No offence but it's comments like this that stops me from argueing on getbig, shows how many people here know what the standards are for IFBB judgeing based on their criteria, seriously an IFBB judge would role on the floor in laughter if he got asked that question, like asking if a Roman praetorian can beat a Marine with an AK, of course Markus would win.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No offence but it's comments like this that stops me from argueing on getbig, shows how many people here know what the standards are for IFBB judgeing based on their criteria, seriously an IFBB judge would role on the floor in laughter if he got asked that question, like asking if a Roman praetorian can beat a Marine with an AK, of course Markus would win.

Like I said 99.9% of people on here don't know how contests are judged and base their opinions on what they THINK should win contests , or what SHOULD win contests , or what NEEDS to be winning contests

they have the info they just don't like it

[Christian B]

On your deathbed you guys will probably regret the months wasted on theese discussions.

[OTHstrong]

Like I said 99.9% of people on here don't know how contests are judged and base their opinions on what they THINK should win contests , or what SHOULD win contests , or what NEEDS to be winning contests

they have the info they just don't like it

Ya getbiggers want to make their own system of judging, which leads to a bunch of pointless arguments, truth is based on the current system Ronnie would not beat Yates, neither Ray, Flex, no one. Yates gets favoured in this system, his flawless track record given to him by the IFBB judges should be enough to put this to rest. Your personal preference is irrelevant in determining who would be the ultimate physique that has ever stepped foot on stage based on the current judging system, plain and simple, Yates is favoured more by the judges, fair or not love it or hate it, these are the facts at hand people.

BTW my personal preference is Shawn Ray.

[NeoSeminole]

And? I don't need them to form my own opinion and they have theirs

How about contest records? they say a lot like Ronnie 1998 AT HIS BEST OLYMPIA just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth ( 3 points ) and Flex wasn't the same Flex Dorian dominated in 1993 either , but this is supposed to beat Dorian?

Ronnie 1998 Mr Olympia does not stand a fucking chance in hell against Dorian 1993/1995 Mr Olympia , sorry sport ain't gonna happen and neither would 2001 ASC Ronnie either because he was the same as 98 except without butch-tits

At least you learned your lesson about post quotes in their entirety

all that is irrelevant. I wasn't talking about contest records or 98 Ronnie. You said 93 precontest Dorian was his best version and then mentioned Peter McGough and Shawn Perine to defend your comment. However, both experts also said no onstage version of Dorian could compete with a prime Ronnie which contradicts your claim that 93/95 Mr. Olympia Dorian would beat Ronnie

[NeoSeminole]

also, you want to bring Kevin Horton into this so let's see what another famous Flex photographer had to say

Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004

"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0

keywords: "has seen everybody, during the last 35 years"

since photographers are paid to take pics of these guys both on and off the stage, they have seen every version of Dorian and Ronnie. For Chris Lund to explicitly say Ronnie is the best he has ever seen, that means a lot

[NarcissisticDeity]

all that is irrelevant. I wasn't talking about contest records or 98 Ronnie. You said 93 precontest Dorian was his best version and then mentioned Peter McGough and Shawn Perine to defend your comment. However, both experts also said no onstage version of Dorian could compete with a prime Ronnie which contradicts your claim that 93/95 Mr. Olympia Dorian would beat Ronnie

My ass it's irrelevant , it's very relevant and proves Ronnie at his best couldn't touch Dorian from 1993/1995 you can't counter that point so it's easy for you to dismiss it , nice try though 

And they have their opinion I have mine , Dorian 1993 at 269lbs or Dorian at the 1993 Olympia would beat Ronnie at his best , so either way I'm right 

[NarcissisticDeity]

also, you want to bring Kevin Horton into this so let's see what another famous Flex photographer had to say

Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004

"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0

Wow you already post that opinion before and how many contests has he judged?   

Neo you'll get NO argument from me that it is a more popular opinion that Ronnie is the best or he would beat Dorian , I concede that doesn't mean it's true , keep trying to prove your opinion with appeals to numbers , it didn't work before and it wont work now

[Mr.1derful]

  he has short legs and no calfs . long torso and he's narrow ? I suspect these are the things some of these guys think make a complete physique ? 

Spot on.

[OTHstrong]

Wow you already post that opinion before and how many contests has he judged?   

Neo you'll get NO argument from me that it is a more popular opinion that Ronnie is the best or he would beat Dorian , I concede that doesn't mean it's true , keep trying to prove your opinion with appeals to numbers , it didn't work before and it wont work now

Ya exactly, numbers mean shit, in fact numbers showed Branch taking the Arnold only because the magazines push the popularity his way, neo is forgetting that the numbers will go in favour of who's getting the most publicity and Dorian hasn't been in the limelight in 15 years, that should tell you something.

[NeoSeminole]

Ya exactly, numbers mean shit, in fact numbers showed Branch taking the Arnold only because the magazines push the popularity his way, neo is forgetting that the numbers will go in favour of who's getting the most publicity and Dorian hasn't been in the limelight in 15 years, that should tell you something

lol, wut? I'm not forgetting anything. Your comment makes as much sense as me saying "Onetimehard is forgetting that Ronnie is black and the political landscape favors whites" Both ideas are absurd! What makes more sense? That Chris Lund was telling the truth or that an anonymous poster with stars next to his name can read Chris Lund's mind?

[Mr.1derful]

And? I don't need them to form my own opinion and they have theirs

How about contest records? they say a lot like Ronnie 1998 AT HIS BEST OLYMPIA just barely beat Flex by the skin of his teeth ( 3 points ) and Flex wasn't the same Flex Dorian dominated in 1993 either , but this is supposed to beat Dorian? 

Ronnie 1998 Mr Olympia does not stand a fucking chance in hell against Dorian 1993/1995 Mr Olympia , sorry sport ain't gonna happen and neither would 2001 ASC Ronnie either because he was the same as 98 except without butch-tits

At least you learned your lesson about post quotes in their entirety 

This post should be required reading.

[Hulkster]

Call me crazy, but the back on the right looks worlds drier and more developed.   

dorian's lower back was better than ronnie's.

but too bad for him that the rest of his back is not up to par.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol, wut? I'm not forgetting anything. Your comment makes as much sense as me saying "Onetimehard is forgetting that Ronnie is black and the political landscape favors whites" Both ideas are absurd! What makes more sense? That Chris Lund was telling the truth or that an anonymous poster with stars next to his name can read Chris Lund's mind?

Almost as much sense as saying Ronnie is better than Dorian because a lot of people hold that opinion 

[NeoSeminole]

dorian's lower back was better than ronnie's.

but too bad for him that the rest of his back is not up to par.

[NeoSeminole]

Almost as much sense as saying Ronnie is better than Dorian because a lot of people hold that opinion

this coming from the hypocrite who was the first to use quotes. The only reason you don't like using quotes as much anymore is b/c they backfired on you

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian's lower back was better than ronnie's.

but too bad for him that the rest of his back is not up to par.

Says the guy who claims Ronnie was overlooked by being compared NINE times and the symmetry round is now the muscularity round according to you 

You don't know anything at all , keep trolling that's all you know

[NarcissisticDeity]

this coming from the hypocrite who was the first to use quotes. The only reason you don't like using quotes as much anymore is b/c they backfired on you

No they haven't , you think popular opinion is fact , Hulkster tried that long ago and he failed , welcome to his club

oppssss Dorian is better because more people said so 

[Hulkster]

true, Neo, the front side isn't up to par either

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sorry Ronnie still not good enough 

[NarcissisticDeity]

true, Neo, the front side isn't up to par either

Not at all 

[King Shizzo]

No offence but it's comments like this that stops me from argueing on getbig, shows how many people here know what the standards are for IFBB judgeing based on their criteria, seriously an IFBB judge would role on the floor in laughter if he got asked that question, like asking if a Roman praetorian can beat a Marine with an AK, of course Markus would win.

Really? Ruhl always looked like a bloated bag of shit.  Someone like Dillet beating Zane?  I can see that.  It's mass with aesthetics.

[NeoSeminole]

No they haven't , you think popular opinion is fact , Hulkster tried that long ago and he failed , welcome to his club

yes, they did. You were the first person to start using quotes to support your argument. Ask anyone from the Truce thread (e.g. Hulkster, Iceman, etc) Then when we began using a couple quotes saying Ronnie was better, you posted more quotes in favor of Dorian and claimed this was "corroboration of evidence." So I compiled a list of every quote that favors Ronnie. Soon, the number of experts who said Ronnie is better outnumbered yours 10:1. Not only did the number of quotes blow yours out of the water but some of them were from your bodybuilding Bible, Flex magazine (e.g. Team Flex saying Ronnie has the best physique ever, Flex voting Ronnie as having the best back). Furthermore, the same experts you used to quote regularly even contradicted some your claims (e.g. Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both saying only a precontest version of Dorian could match Ronnie). Face it: you played the quote game and lost. Everything that followed is damage control by you to save embarrasment

[NeoSeminole]

Not at all

epic failure at making comparisons. Dorian is a 10 foot tall giant in one of them and you used a stretched pic of Dorian in another

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, they did. You were the first person to start using quotes to support your argument. Ask anyone from the Truce thread (e.g. Hulkster, Iceman, etc) Then when we began using a couple quotes saying Ronnie was better, you posted more quotes in favor of Dorian and claimed this was "corroboration of evidence." So I compiled a list of every quote that favors Ronnie. Soon, the number of experts who said Ronnie is better outnumbered yours 10:1. Not only did the number of quotes blow yours out of the water but some of them were from your bodybuilding Bible, Flex magazine (e.g. Team Flex saying Ronnie has the best physique ever, Flex voting Ronnie as having the best back). Furthermore, the same experts you used to quote regularly even contradicted some your claims (e.g. Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both saying only a precontest version of Dorian could match Ronnie).

WRONG as usual

I used quotes to supplement my opinion that his conditioning was better NOT if he was could beat Ronnie because it never was the more popular opinion that he was  I proved my points twenty times over about Dorian having the better conditioning and balance & proportion ( two separate entities BTW )

That's the difference between you and I , you tried to pass them off as proof he was better because it was more popular and you failed miserably.

and in the end you were beaten by your own hero when he conceded that he could NOT beat Dorian on multiple occasions  which BTW I always maintained that even though he knows he's not in Dorian's league it doesn't make it true

in the end where are you? in another Dorian Yates thread trying to convince the world Ronnie really , really is better and your proof ? popular opinion LMFAO

Dorian dominated Flex near his best , Flex almost beat Ronnie at his lol you do the math