Author Topic: Ron Paul thinks Social Security is Unconstitutional......... but he's on it. (Read 9972 times)

Straw Man · « **Reply #25 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:11:28 PM »

Kind of reminds me of Scott Brown who wants to overturn Obama care while at the same time using it to insurance his adult daughter

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #26 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:13:02 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 22, 2012, 02:08:14 PM

They are progressive statists what do you expect?

I guess it never sunk in. I really take issue here, because I cannot stand the idea of Social Security. I know that I'm giving money away that I could be saving for myself and MY FAMILY. My grandparents and parents paid a shit ton of money into Social Security (money they won't ever recoup) so that people that aren't responsible enough to save money like andreisdaman and his family won't run out of Doritos and cell phone minutes.

MELTDOWN... CONGRATULATIONS

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #27 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:16:14 PM »

What's going to happen to all the people that aren't responsible enough to run their own life when all the people that are stop supporting them?

andreisdaman · « **Reply #28 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM »

Quote from: avxo on June 21, 2012, 11:33:05 PM

Why not? Why should anyone be forced - at the point of the government's proverbial gun - into financing a one-size fits all plan one may not want?

So if people don't want to save their money, they should be forced to? What else do you think the government should force people to do for their own good?

Great. So, your argument goes "I was a satyromaniac alcoholic and didn't save money. So everyone else should be forced to save money!" Sounds sensible.

Why would we be stuck with any bill? Why should the government support anyone?

QFT.

first off its not about getting the same out of social security as you put in....the vast majority of people get more than they put in...its about taking care of each other in this country as Americans...your attitude is whats wrong with this country.....no one wants to do shit for anyone any more..its about me me me ...meanwhile I'm sure you and your parents and your relatives have gotten a lot off the backs off the American taxpayer.....by your attitude we should not have a gov't at all....since no one should be taken care of as you say.....lets just dissolve gov't and fend for ourselves....

andreisdaman · « **Reply #29 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:23:54 PM »

Quote from: garebear on June 22, 2012, 03:29:08 AM

If you are willing to let people starve to death and die due to a denial of medicine, then why be part of a country at all?

What's the point?

good post...these guys on here don't want to do shit for anyone....meanwhile I'm sure their parents are all on Medicare, getting social security,food stamps etc

andreisdaman · « **Reply #30 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:24:33 PM »

Quote from: outby43 on June 22, 2012, 12:30:47 AM

Yeah SS should be done away with. There are many options for individuals to use for retirement but that should be their decision and not the governments.

As for the people that may not have enough to make ends meet when they retire...I don't know what to do with them. Sure the easy answer is fuck em all but shit happens.

Maybe free soup and a tent is as far as I would go for government handouts.

tell this to your mother and father..see what they say

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #31 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:24:55 PM »

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM

first off its not about getting the same out of social security as you put in....the vast majority of people get more than they put in...its about taking care of each other in this country as Americans...your attitude is whats wrong with this country.....no one wants to do shit for anyone any more..its about me me me ...meanwhile I'm sure you and your parents and your relatives have gotten a lot off the backs off the American taxpayer.....by your attitude we should not have a gov't at all....since no one should be taken care of as you say.....lets just dissolve gov't and fend for ourselves....

Correct, if I saw you on the side of the street near death in need of food and water, and i was pushing a cart full of food, I would keep going in a heartbeat.

bbbboooommmmmmm!!!!!

andreisdaman · « **Reply #32 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:26:19 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on June 22, 2012, 01:44:59 PM

I understand your political views now!

They're based on your belief that adults aren't responsible enough to be allowed to run their own lives.

they actually aren't......any time people are left to regulate themselves, trouble happens

andreisdaman · « **Reply #33 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:28:29 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on June 22, 2012, 02:07:25 PM

This thread is just boggling my mind. I'm glad to see you two admit that you feel this way.

andreisdaman, garebear, serious question...

What can adults be trusted to do on their own? Saving our own money, and planing for our future is now unrealistic. What do you care about Education for? Why bother, we have to rely on the government anyway.

This is absolutely the craziest damn thing I've read on here. Financial freedom is out the window now.

Insane

if financial freedom is out the window, then there is definitely more of a need for SS

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #34 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:33:39 PM »

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:28:29 PM

if financial freedom is out the window

That's according to you, I strongly disagree.

avxo · « **Reply #35 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:44:09 PM »

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM

first off its not about getting the same out of social security as you put in....the vast majority of people get more than they put in...

Right, and that's the problem. One set of people is subsidizing another set of people. And they're subsidizing those other people by force, not by choice.

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM

its about taking care of each other in this country as Americans...

If we want to take care of each other we can do it. We don't need the government to force us to do it at the point of a gun.

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM

your attitude is whats wrong with this country.....

Right, it's my attitude that's the problem. The one that says "I want to be allowed to make my own decisions instead of being told what I must do."

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM

no one wants to do shit for anyone any more..

If only we all worked to make others happy, living simple lives in a gumdrop house, on Lollipop Lane... what a wonderful world that would be!

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM

its about me me me ...

It's about being able to make one's own choices. And taking responsibility for those choices.

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM

meanwhile I'm sure you and your parents and your relatives have gotten a lot off the backs off the American taxpayer.....

You may be sure. I, on the other hand, am sure that you would be quite surprised.

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:22:41 PM

by your attitude we should not have a gov't at all....since no one should be taken care of as you say.....lets just dissolve gov't and fend for ourselves....

If it helps you sleep better to pretend that my position means "no government" but your delusions don't have any bearing on reality. The simple fact is that the purpose of government isn't to take care of people because the government isn't a caretaker. There are functions that the government can and must provide - things like a Court system, a police force, and armed forces. And then there are functions that the government cannot and should not provide - things like pensions, health insurance and food.

The government isn't a nurse. The government isn't a doctor. The government isn't a chef. The government isn't a waiter.

avxo · « **Reply #36 on:** June 22, 2012, 02:45:38 PM »

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:26:19 PM

they actually aren't......any time people are left to regulate themselves, trouble happens

Wow... just wow.

kcballer · « **Reply #37 on:** June 22, 2012, 03:53:21 PM »

I find this interesting. I wonder what would happen if a candidate was anti-abortion, yet encouraged their wife, daughter, mistress, to have an abortion on the grounds that they have "paid" taxes or insurance dues for the service to be administered then they have a right to also use it despite being against it.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #38 on:** June 22, 2012, 04:07:00 PM »

Quote from: kcballer on June 22, 2012, 03:53:21 PM

I find this interesting. I wonder what would happen if a candidate was anti-abortion, yet encouraged their wife, daughter, mistress, to have an abortion on the grounds that they have "paid" taxes or insurance dues for the service to be administered then they have a right to also use it despite being against it.

That is the craziest damn argument I've ever read on here.

outby43 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 22, 2012, 04:18:39 PM »

Quote from: andreisdaman on June 22, 2012, 02:24:33 PM

tell this to your mother and father..see what they say

They would say the same thing. They worked for what they have and were smart enough to save some cash instead of trying to keep up with everyone else going into debt over dumb shit. If you live beyond your basic means when financially you shouldn't then your decisions caused you to be broke. Basically you have 45 years to work and save for retirement. That is plenty of time to have a house paid for and some transportation so when they retire they just need food, utilities and insurance.

avxo · « **Reply #40 on:** June 22, 2012, 04:33:49 PM »

Quote from: kcballer on June 22, 2012, 03:53:21 PM

I find this interesting. I wonder what would happen if a candidate was anti-abortion, yet encouraged their wife, daughter, mistress, to have an abortion on the grounds that they have "paid" taxes or insurance dues for the service to be administered then they have a right to also use it despite being against it.

There's a very large difference - presumably one is anti-abortion because of personal beliefs on questions like "what makes a person a person", "when does an embryo qualify as human" and "do human rights apply to babies in the womb".

None of those questions relate to taxes. So if a candidate who was otherwise anti-abortion encouraged someone to have an abortion on the ground that they've paid taxes and are entitled to a "service" it would be both reasonable and proper to call that person a hypocrite. Not because of their stand on taxes, but because of their stand on abortion.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #41 on:** June 22, 2012, 04:43:26 PM »

Quote from: avxo on June 22, 2012, 04:33:49 PM

There's a very large difference - presumably one is anti-abortion because of personal beliefs on questions like "what makes a person a person", "when does an embryo qualify as human" and "do human rights apply to babies in the womb".

None of those questions relate to taxes. So if a candidate who was otherwise anti-abortion encouraged someone to have an abortion on the ground that they've paid taxes and are entitled to a "service" it would be both reasonable and proper to call that person a hypocrite. Not because of their stand on taxes, but because of their stand on abortion.

You recently posted something here and I thought that you were goofy. Now I'm agreeing with you. WTF

avxo · « **Reply #42 on:** June 22, 2012, 04:51:52 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on June 22, 2012, 04:43:26 PM

You recently posted something here and I thought that you were goofy. Now I'm agreeing with you. WTF

Perhaps you're goofier than you thought?

andreisdaman · « **Reply #43 on:** June 22, 2012, 06:23:34 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on June 22, 2012, 02:24:55 PM

Correct, if I saw you on the side of the street near death in need of food and water, and i was pushing a cart full of food, I would keep going in a heartbeat.

bbbboooommmmmmm!!!!!

boom???..please....I wouldn't accept help from you.....thats how I feel about you

andreisdaman · « **Reply #44 on:** June 22, 2012, 06:24:52 PM »

Quote from: avxo on June 22, 2012, 02:45:38 PM

Wow... just wow.

just wow is right

garebear · « **Reply #45 on:** June 22, 2012, 06:57:14 PM »

Quote from: avxo on June 22, 2012, 02:44:09 PM

Right, and that's the problem. One set of people is subsidizing another set of people. And they're subsidizing those other people by force, not by choice.

If we want to take care of each other we can do it. We don't need the government to force us to do it at the point of a gun.

Right, it's my attitude that's the problem. The one that says "I want to be allowed to make my own decisions instead of being told what I must do."

If only we all worked to make others happy, living simple lives in a gumdrop house, on Lollipop Lane... what a wonderful world that would be!

It's about being able to make one's own choices. And taking responsibility for those choices.

You may be sure. I, on the other hand, am sure that you would be quite surprised.

If it helps you sleep better to pretend that my position means "no government" but your delusions don't have any bearing on reality. The simple fact is that the purpose of government isn't to take care of people because the government isn't a caretaker. There are functions that the government can and must provide - things like a Court system, a police force, and armed forces. And then there are functions that the government cannot and should not provide - things like pensions, health insurance and food.

The government isn't a nurse. The government isn't a doctor. The government isn't a chef. The government isn't a waiter.

What's with your ridiculous 'at the point of a gun' statement? You seem like an intelligent guy and I can't, for the life of me, figure out why you keep repeating this.

I guess I had to pay taxes for wars I didn't support 'at the point of a gun'.

I guess I can't shoplift in America 'at the point of a gun'.

Why do I, a person without children, have to pay taxes for education 'at the point of a gun'?

Who is pointing a gun at you?

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #46 on:** June 22, 2012, 06:59:23 PM »

Quote from: avxo on June 22, 2012, 04:51:52 PM

Perhaps you're goofier than you thought?

haha...

I am the goofiest, trust me!!!

Shockwave · « **Reply #47 on:** June 22, 2012, 07:03:22 PM »

Quote from: avxo on June 22, 2012, 02:44:09 PM

Right, and that's the problem. One set of people is subsidizing another set of people. And they're subsidizing those other people by force, not by choice.

If we want to take care of each other we can do it. We don't need the government to force us to do it at the point of a gun.

Right, it's my attitude that's the problem. The one that says "I want to be allowed to make my own decisions instead of being told what I must do."

If only we all worked to make others happy, living simple lives in a gumdrop house, on Lollipop Lane... what a wonderful world that would be!

It's about being able to make one's own choices. And taking responsibility for those choices.

You may be sure. I, on the other hand, am sure that you would be quite surprised.

If it helps you sleep better to pretend that my position means "no government" but your delusions don't have any bearing on reality. The simple fact is that the purpose of government isn't to take care of people because the government isn't a caretaker. There are functions that the government can and must provide - things like a Court system, a police force, and armed forces. And then there are functions that the government cannot and should not provide - things like pensions, health insurance and food.

The government isn't a nurse. The government isn't a doctor. The government isn't a chef. The government isn't a waiter.

I knew I liked you. I couldnt put my finger on it, but I just knew.

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #48 on:** June 22, 2012, 07:05:52 PM »

Andre, Gare....

Could I trouble you two to please take this test: http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html

Just out of curiosity

Shockwave · « **Reply #49 on:** June 22, 2012, 07:15:15 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on June 22, 2012, 07:05:52 PM

Andre, Gare....

Could I trouble you two to please take this test: http://www.politicalcompass.org/test/

Just out of curiosity

What does this mean? It didnt show me the graph, pic was broken.

Economic Left/Right: 5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.18