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The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« on: June 24, 2012, 09:51:16 AM »
 The whole situation with DA has got me thinking.  They are full of shit when they claim that there is an actual list that people go on for organ transplants.  If I need a heart transplant tommorrow, wouldn't I theoretically go to the bottom of the list?  Wouldn't that list contain hundreds of thousands of names? You would be shit out of luck (unless a family member/friend was a match)  How do stars/famous people jump to the top? (Money?) 

Hopefully somebody in the know can explain this process in better detail.  If a normal joe blow has to go on the "list"  he is going to die.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2012, 10:16:16 AM »
money is right imo, im pretty sure if oprah or trump needed a kidney they would get 1 fairly quickly regardless of a list or not.
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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2012, 10:17:47 AM »
You seriously think DA got on the "list" because of fame? Oh brother.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2012, 10:21:55 AM »

what I wonder is, what if someone like president needs an organ !!

Do they have suitable people, still alive, already checked, who they will kill in that case and take the needed organ  ???   :-X



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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2012, 10:31:39 AM »
what I wonder is, what if someone like president needs an organ !!

Do they have suitable people, still alive, already checked, who they will kill in that case and take the needed organ  ???   :-X




healthy inmates with no family to worry about them disappear all the time, and some important person just happens to get the organ he or she needs at the same time the inmate disappears :o. it happens in real life not only in movies
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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2012, 10:36:49 AM »
healthy inmates with no family to worry about them disappear all the time, and some important person just happens to get the organ he or she needs at the same time the inmate disappears :o. it happens in real life not only in movies

See it.

Lincoln Six-Echo is a resident of a seemingly Utopian but contained facility in the year 2019. Like all of the inhabitants of this carefully controlled environment, Lincoln hopes to be chosen to go to the "The Island" - reportedly the last uncontaminated spot on the planet. But Lincoln soon discovers that everything about his existence is a lie. He and all of the other inhabitants of the facility are actually human clones. Lincoln makes a daring escape with a beautiful fellow resident named Jordan Two-Delta. Relentlessly pursued by the forces of the sinister institute that once housed them, Lincoln and Jordan engage in a race for their lives to literally meet their makers.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2012, 10:39:13 AM »
Money is a huge issue. As you said, if Oprah needed a new kidney, she would get one, while the 5 year old kid in the hospital is knocking at deaths door.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2012, 10:43:13 AM »
You seriously think DA got on the "list" because of fame? Oh brother.
That is not what I said.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2012, 10:44:16 AM »
Money is a huge issue. As you said, if Oprah needed a new kidney, she would get one, while the 5 year old kid in the hospital is knocking at deaths door.

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Of course there is a waiting list. But when Obama or Madonna needs a heart, they either make up some medical reason to treat them first ("his rare genetic make-up just matched the donor heart available that day") or they will get one on the black market, and you don't wanna know where those organs come from. I know it: from the 20,000 Chinese prisoners executed each year..

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2012, 10:47:50 AM »
I'm sure priority as well as money plays the ultimate role.  I think someone like the president should get priority.  I think anyone that can pay in full will shoot to the top of the list.  A nobody with money could buy his life back.  Who said money wasn't everything?

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2012, 10:48:53 AM »
Pretty good "B" movie about a guy who gets mugged and wakes up in Mexico missing one kidney.


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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2012, 10:49:31 AM »
money is right imo, im pretty sure if oprah or trump needed a kidney they would get 1 fairly quickly regardless of a list or not.
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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2012, 10:50:01 AM »
Another list I won't make.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2012, 10:50:40 AM »
See it.
Great movie. Im looking at it right now, actually.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2012, 10:51:39 AM »
Another list I won't make.
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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2012, 10:55:33 AM »
The whole situation with DA has got me thinking.  They are full of shit when they claim that there is an actual list that people go on for organ transplants.  If I need a heart transplant tommorrow, wouldn't I theoretically go to the bottom of the list?  Wouldn't that list contain hundreds of thousands of names? You would be shit out of luck (unless a family member/friend was a match)  How do stars/famous people jump to the top? (Money?) 

Hopefully somebody in the know can explain this process in better detail.  If a normal joe blow has to go on the "list"  he is going to die.

I work with liver transplant patients on a daily basis.

Of course these lists actually exist. To suggest otherwise is idiocy.

With liver there are situations that would exclude you from a transplant or significantly reduce your ability to get one. For instance if you had another malignancy such as breast cancer you would be less of a candidate than someone who was otherwise healthy. It gets more complicated then that even considering liver function, cause (alcohol versus otherwise) etc. etc. etc.

The same goes for kidneys. Nicorulez could speak on this more than I since he is a nephrologist.

DA would seem to be a high candidate for a renal transplant. Young and without a personal history of cancer.

The ethical dilemna of course that he brought this all on himself by abusing drugs (AAS, Narcotics and otherwise) is (thankfully for him) not an issue in the transplant priority list.

Of course, if you have a living donor (brother, sister, mother who will give you a kidney) you are not on the list.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2012, 10:56:39 AM »
The world is shrouded in secrets.  We could only imagine what the "inner circle" really knows.  We are all pawns in a game of chess that never ends.

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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2012, 10:58:05 AM »
Organ donation is not a conspiracy. Nor is there one donor list that covers the entire nation.  There are many local/regional lists.  If one is able to fly across the country on short--or no--notice and pay your own way, you can be on list in another state (where the wait could be much shorter).  When an organ becomes available you jump on your private plane to the site where the organ is available and have the transplant.  As you suspected: money matters.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2012, 10:58:42 AM »
I work with liver transplant patients on a daily basis.

Of course these lists actually exist. To suggest otherwise is idiocy.

With liver there are situations that would exclude you from a transplant or significantly reduce your ability to get one. For instance if you had another malignancy such as breast cancer you would be less of a candidate than someone who was otherwise healthy. It gets more complicated then that even considering liver function, cause (alcohol versus otherwise) etc. etc. etc.

The same goes for kidneys. Nicorulez could speak on this more than I since he is a nephrologist.

DA would seem to be a high candidate for a renal transplant. Young and without a personal history of cancer.

The ethical dilemna of course that he brought this all on himself by abusing drugs (AAS, Narcotics and otherwise) is (thankfully for him) not an issue in the transplant priority list. Of course, if you have a living donor (brother, sister, mother who will give you a kidney) you are not on the list.
Why not?  That seems like it would be pertinent info.  Great post.

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2012, 11:00:08 AM »
Organ donation is not a conspiracy. Nor is there one donor list that covers the entire nation.  There are many local/regional lists.  If one is able to fly across the country on short--or no--notice and pay your own way, you can be on list in another state (where the wait could be much shorter).  When an organ becomes available you jump on your private plane to the site where the organ is available and have the transplant.  As you suspected: money matters.
Mostly this. But black market IS a reality for the very wealthy few.... :-\

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2012, 11:01:13 AM »
Organ donation is not a conspiracy. Nor is there one donor list that covers the entire nation.  There are many local/regional lists.  If one is able to fly across the country on short--or no--notice and pay your own way, you can be on list in another state (where the wait could be much shorter).  When an organ becomes available you jump on your private plane to the site where the organ is available and have the transplant.  As you suspected: money matters.
I didn't say conspiracy per se, I meant to get to the bottom of what a "list" meant.  If you are a middle class person who needs a donor, you are going to be shit out of luck.  

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2012, 11:02:05 AM »
Organ donation is not a conspiracy. Nor is there one donor list that covers the entire nation.  There are many local/regional lists.  If one is able to fly across the country on short--or no--notice and pay your own way, you can be on list in another state (where the wait could be much shorter).  When an organ becomes available you jump on your private plane to the site where the organ is available and have the transplant.  As you suspected: money matters.
You could always donate a kidney for a future Apple product Bay.  :P

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2012, 11:03:58 AM »
I think getbiggers should have their own kidney transplant list..

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Re: The imaginary organ donor "lists"
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2012, 11:07:21 AM »
I think getbiggers should have their own kidney transplant list..
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2012, 11:07:56 AM »
See it.

Lincoln Six-Echo is a resident of a seemingly Utopian but contained facility in the year 2019. Like all of the inhabitants of this carefully controlled environment, Lincoln hopes to be chosen to go to the "The Island" - reportedly the last uncontaminated spot on the planet. But Lincoln soon discovers that everything about his existence is a lie. He and all of the other inhabitants of the facility are actually human clones. Lincoln makes a daring escape with a beautiful fellow resident named Jordan Two-Delta. Relentlessly pursued by the forces of the sinister institute that once housed them, Lincoln and Jordan engage in a race for their lives to literally meet their makers.


Great movie,this ones good to http://www.google.com/search?q=turistas+wiki&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

Another factor of getting a donor is how good your insurance is, the better the insurance the higher on the "list" you go. If your insurance gives the doc a pre approval letter to cover the surgery you jump all the people who's insurance did not. "cash patients" are last unless they pay in full up front which for everything would be a couple hundred grand cash. The hospital knows the "cash patients" that aren't paying the whole thing up front will prob just make the initial deposit and not pay the rest that's why they go last.