Lunatic kills 12 at 'Dark Knight Rises' screening in Colorado

[NarcissisticDeity]

Criminals follow laws all the fucking time. What kind of logic are you running with here?

What are you talking about?

I never said ban guns

Yes you did by 50%

So you admit openly that controls are important you think they should exist, and do not believe they should be increase, so what makes you think this current system is exactly on the line of perfection, please explain?

One I never said it was perfect , what I did say is there are already plenty of laws on the books , NO need for more especially ones that criminals DO NOT intend to follow

They have gun-free school zones , you think for one fucking moment that's ' law ' or ' sign ' is going to stop a lunatic from shooting masses of children?

you can't legislate sanity to the insane.

[bighead]

You haters wanna be mad at someone, hate your hypocritical government for creating a system that enables this type of behaviour, Your leaders lead the way with indiscriminate killing worldwide and then they pretend to be decent caring people.  Funny how Obama pretends to care about children, yet regularly blows them away with drone strikes and shrugs his shoulders with an "Oh well, collateral damage blah blah blah"  The fact is the American system is one of being selfish and dehumanising your fellow human beings, you all treat each other like shit and then wonder why someone snaps!  Wanna get mad at someone, get mad at your leaders who have created a system that enables these things to happen!  Try developing a culture of compassion and concern for your neighbours rather than sitting back pretending to care about the latest tragedy!  Individuals who are treated with love and respect don't shoot up the whole village!

  HEY!! NARCISSUS, do you even read and comprehend someone elses post?? quit trying to plagiarize an intellectual like chomsky and post on a board dedicated to politics, or does that intimidate you?  and for the last time I AM CANADIAN!!!

[NarcissisticDeity]

  HEY!! NARCISSUS, do you even read and comprehend someone elses post?? quit trying to plagiarize an intellectual like chomsky and post on a board dedicated to politics, or does that intimidate you?  and for the last time I AM CANADIAN!!!

Did I not just agree with some of the things he typed? and how and I plagiarizing Chomsky?  and politics as a whole don't interest me I've figured out long ago both sides are out to screw the common man over.

[Shockwave]

Criminals follow laws all the fucking time. What kind of logic are you running with here?

WTF are you talking about?
The very definition of criminal means he doesnt follow the laws. His point, is that the criminals that are ready to use firearms to murder arent going to give a fuck if theyre legal or not - they'll find them. Just like Brevik did.
Seriously bro, do you even think before you speak?

[bighead]

Did I not just agree with some of the things he typed? and how and I plagiarizing Chomsky?  and politics as a whole don't interest me I've figured out long ago both sides are out to screw the common man over.

  DUDE  im talking to ekul, who obviously is not the only narcissistic personality around here. Oh well it is abodybuilding board.

[NarcissisticDeity]

  DUDE  im talking to ekul, who obviously is not the only narcissistic personality around here. Oh well it is abodybuilding board.

Gotcha 

[MikMaq]

What are you talking about?

Criminals don't break laws at will, there still restrained by the law they find ways to bend the laws not ignore them.
Yes you did by 50%
Yes I think a realistic target would be reducing violent homicides by 50 percent, that doesn't mean banning all guns just making them harder to get
One I never said it was perfect , what I did say is there are already plenty of laws on the books , NO need for more especially ones that criminals DO NOT intend to follow
Actually people are getting killed by them and more importantly terrorized by them, it would seem there is sufficient need for some changes
They have gun-free school zones , you think for one fucking moment that's ' law ' or ' sign ' is going to stop a lunatic from shooting masses of children?
Yes for a second, a minute, even minutes, and that is all it takes to save lives.
you can't legislate sanity to the insane.
No but you can de enable someone.

Seriously are you just trolling me. Were talking about odds here, or are you one of these defying the odds types

[mesmorph78]

WRONG flat out wrong

If the guy couldn't get guns then he would have use a flame thrower , or a bomb of something else. You're blaming the object and not operator


And there is already a cap on guns and it doesn't help , why? it's focused on the law-abiding citizen and guess what? people who commit these crimes don't give a fuck about laws.

so the solutions is making less lethal weapons (in your eyes) .... yes they dont but having guns available for sales like buying a magazine is crazy..... why are you so pro gun.. all they do is kill....
ND man your wrong here....
I agree there is a section of society that are crazy and will kill regardless
but for eg, two hotheads arguing may slug it out with their fists
two hot heards argueing with guns WILL shoot it out... its not complex....

[MikMaq]

WTF are you talking about?
The very definition of criminal means he doesnt follow the laws. His point, is that the criminals that are ready to use firearms to murder arent going to give a fuck if theyre legal or not - they'll find them. Just like Brevik did.
Seriously bro, do you even think before you speak?

Of course they fucking will, but there is thing called logistics. Using these mythic words like maniacs ignores the fact that criminals are humans which of course have limits, and are concious decisions makers.
If it means the guy has to wait an extra week to either afford or steal a weapon it can drastically effect the choices of a person.

[chaos]

Not reading the whole thread.

If more people could legally carry, maybe this "brilliant science student" would have thought twice.

Guns are here to stay, forever, deal with it.

[Parker]

WTF are you talking about?
The very definition of criminal means he doesnt follow the laws. His point, is that the criminals that are ready to use firearms to murder arent going to give a fuck if theyre legal or not - they'll find them. Just like Brevik did.
Seriously bro, do you even think before you speak?

I guess what he is saying is that criminals follow their own laws, their own logic. Society's laws and logic are just something that they live outside of, but on occassion, will conform to, for their own means.

[NarcissisticDeity]

so the solutions is making less lethal weapons (in your eyes) .... yes they dont but having guns available for sales like buying a magazine is crazy..... why are you so pro gun.. all they do is kill....
ND man your wrong here....

No you're flat out wrong. WRONG ' all they is kill ' I've owned guns since 1998 and they have NEVER killed anyone period end of sentence.

I'm not so much pro-gun as pro second amendment , I want the ability to protect myself and my family using firearms and don't want ANYONE to tell me I can't. You don't like guns don't buy one but don't have the audacity to tell anyone else they can't.

' A sword is never a killer just a tool in the killers hands '

if every gun magically disappeared in the world these events will still happen and if all the humans disappeared then all the guns would just sit and not ' kill ' anyone. Don't blame the object blame the person wielding it
 

[Archer77]

I like how a lot of the john wayne wannabe motherfuckers think things would have been different if other people n that theater were carrying.  The fact is it would have only made the situation more confused for law enforcement and resulted in more deaths.

 People would end up shooting all over the place.  In the confusion of the momemt the "good guys" would end up shooting at each other because they thought they were the bad guys, and cops would just assume they were all the perpetrator and put a bullet in anybody with a gun.  The whole thing would turn into a grade a cluster fuck.  Doesn't matter how good you can shoot if you're not trained to handle a crisis situation.

[johnny1]

Did I not just agree with some of the things he typed? and how and I plagiarizing Chomsky?  and politics as a whole don't interest me I've figured out long ago both sides are out to screw the common man over.

Yup exactly the last part has ALWAYS been the case and ALWAYS will be.

[MikMaq]

I guess what he is saying is that criminals follow their own laws, their own logic. Society's laws and logic are just something that they live outside of, but on occassion, will conform to, for their own means.

This guy were talking about from what we can tell never broke a law in his life until the shooting, my point is it's doubtful he would of went on a crime spree trying to finance or stealing weapons. He might of done minor theft, but nevertheless he is still limited.

If he had been caught buying explosives online, going to smuggling rings for guns, there's a real chance somewhere down the line he could of been caught or delayed to a point when he might of decided not to do it at all.

If this guy is such a demented maniac why did he wait until today to do the deed

[slate]

It is patently clear that guys like the coach etc are right on this one.

Had everyone in the audience bothered to have taken their AK-47s/ semi rifles, whatever- as is their right in Colorado none of this would have happened. The guy would have just simply had walked in via the emergency door. , thrown his smoke bombs , shoot a few rounds from a stun gun into the ceiling, and then promptly walked back out out of the room.

All the coachs in the room would promptly start shooting  on all directions - the place being full of masked men and all- and after 15 minutes some 100 people would be dead

The guy would then be convicted of discharging a non-lethal weapon in a public place, and everything would be OK.

[mesmorph78]

No you're flat out wrong. WRONG ' all they is kill ' I've owned guns since 1998 and they have NEVER killed anyone period end of sentence.

I'm not so much pro-gun as pro second amendment , I want the ability to protect myself and my family using firearms and don't want ANYONE to tell me I can't. You don't like guns don't buy one but don't have the audacity to tell anyone else they can't.

' A sword is never a killer just a tool in the killers hands '

if every gun magically disappeared in the world these events will still happen and if all the humans disappeared then all the guns would just sit and not ' kill ' anyone. Don't blame the object blame the person wielding it
 

I kinda figured you own guns.... have you ever lived outside of the USA?
Im not blaming the guns, im blaming the liberal accessibility to guns in America.....

well the result in evident.... as we saw last night

[mesmorph78]

I like how a lot of the john wayne wannabe motherfuckers think things would have been different if other people n that theater were carrying.  The fact is it would have only made the situation more confused for law enforcement and resulted in more deaths.

 People would end up shooting all over the place.  In the confusion of the momemt the "good guys" would end up shooting at each other because they thought they were the bad guys, and cops would just assume they were all the perpetrator and put a bullet in anybody with a gun.  The whole thing would turn into a grade a cluster fuck.  Doesn't matter how good you can shoot if you're not trained to handle a crisis situation.

I agree... no diss to americans I love the they are great people friendly when ive visited.....kind etc
but for anyone to actually say more people should have been carrying .... is just incredulous ...
this cowboy gun way is just wrong IMO.....

[NarcissisticDeity]

Seriously are you just trolling me. Were talking about odds here, or are you one of these defying the odds types

Criminals don't break laws at will, there still restrained by the law they find ways to bend the laws not ignore them.

What are you 13? you have no life experience kid , criminals break tons of laws at will and most at the same time

Yes I think a realistic target would be reducing violent homicides by 50 percent, that doesn't mean banning all guns just making them harder to get

LMFAO reducing violent homicides by 50%  the District of Columbia had an outright ban on firearms and Chicago had some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States and both were among the most violent places in this country , there goes that theory

Kid pat attention , who are you punishing by making guns ' harder to get ' ? people who follow laws , lets have a two week waiting period for all firearms , who has to wait the two weeks? law-abiding citizens , the criminal just cuts out the middle man and goes to the streets , NO waiting period , no FBI call , NO bullshit , NO hassles. You've accomplished nothing

Actually people are getting killed by them and more importantly terrorized by them, it would seem there is sufficient need for some changes

Either you're trolling or you're monumentally stupid. changes in laws WILL NOT prevent people from killing people this is not debatable

Yes for a second, a minute, even minutes, and that is all it takes to save lives.

Now I know you're trolling , oppssss I just planned on killing an entire school , I have my SWAT gear my AR15 with a 100 round Beta-mag , I have my 62GRN green-tip Lake-City .556MM , damn there is a sign that says ' gun free school zone ' looks like I'll have to turn back around and go home or yes this sign will stop a lunatic for a moment or a second or a minute  get the fuck out of here

No but you can de enable someone.

We already have laws that prevent mentally unstable people from attaining firearms and guess what ? laws can are circumvented , see a pattern here? lets make MORE laws criminals wont follow 


 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I kinda figured you own guns.... have you ever lived outside of the USA?
Im not blaming the guns, im blaming the liberal accessibility to guns in America.....

well the result in evident.... as we saw last night

No you just did blamed the guns, your quote

why are you so pro gun.. all they do is kill....

Again NO they don't , that's not accurate.

And the liberal accessibility of guns is to blame? no it's not it's the lunatics to blame not the object they use.

[chaos]

Anti gun people have to be amung the dumbest on this planet.......not quite as dumb as people that want to ban a breed of dog, but pretty damn close.

[MikMaq]

What are you 13? you have no life experience kid , criminals break tons of laws at will and most at the same time

The fuck, most criminals have a pretty consistent acts of behaivour, drug addicts steal for drugs, sicko's do it for pleasure, violent types out of impulses, pedo's out of disfunction, and most are quite capable of avoiding being caught meaning there adhering to the law by degree
LMFAO reducing violent homicides by 50%   the District of Columbia had an outright ban on firearms and Chicago had some of the most restrictive gun laws in the United States and both were among the most violent places in this country , there goes that theory
Banning guns isn't the only part, reducing drug flow, education, blah blah it's an involved process.
Kid pat attention , who are you punishing by making guns ' harder to get ' ? people who follow laws , lets have a two week waiting period for all firearms , who has to wait the two weeks? law-abiding citizens , the criminal just cuts out the middle man and goes to the streets , NO waiting period , no FBI call , NO bullshit , NO hassles. You've accomplished nothing
Punishing what kind of childish biblical bullshit you live, it's restriction, not a rigid rule that can't be broken but a restraint that reduces ones options
Either you're trolling or you're monumentally stupid. changes in laws WILL NOT prevent people from killing people this is not debatable
Yeah because laws don't change things at all, for example speed limits are completely pointless because people speed regardless, we'd be better off without these silly laws
Now I know you're trolling , oppssss I just planned on killing an entire school , I have my SWAT gear my AR15 with a 100 round Beta-mag , I have my 62GRN green-tip Lake-City .556MM , damn there is a sign that says ' gun free school zone ' looks like I'll have to turn back around and go home or yes this sign will stop a lunatic for a moment or a second or a minute   get the fuck out of here Your not a candidate to do such things in the first place so QFT

We already have laws that prevent mentally unstable people from attaining firearms and guess what ? laws can are circumvented , see a pattern here? lets make MORE laws criminals wont follow  
Well considering that mentally unstable is a vague and relative term, and that all law are circumventable that would be common sense. The point is whether or not the path to circumvent a law is a short one or a long one

 

Again answer the question why did the guy pick today of all days

[Shockwave]

Of course they fucking will, but there is thing called logistics. Using these mythic words like maniacs ignores the fact that criminals are humans which of course have limits, and are concious decisions makers.
If it means the guy has to wait an extra week to either afford or steal a weapon it can drastically effect the choices of a person.

Logistics? Do you have any idea how easy it is to get hard drugs, even though they're highly illegal?
It doesnt stop anything, instead of being regulated, they just open up a whole new world of dealers. How do you not understand this? It doesnt make anything harder to get.

[Shockwave]

This guy were talking about from what we can tell never broke a law in his life until the shooting, my point is it's doubtful he would of went on a crime spree trying to finance or stealing weapons. He might of done minor theft, but nevertheless he is still limited.

If he had been caught buying explosives online, going to smuggling rings for guns, there's a real chance somewhere down the line he could of been caught or delayed to a point when he might of decided not to do it at all.

If this guy is such a demented maniac why did he wait until today to do the deed

Because this was the opening of the new Batman movie, and he was fulfilling his romantic ideal of being the "joker".
Dude was crazy.

[MikMaq]

Logistics? Do you have any idea how easy it is to get hard drugs, even though they're highly illegal?
It doesnt stop anything, instead of being regulated, they just open up a whole new world of dealers. How do you not understand this? It doesnt make anything harder to get.

So if coke is 5 bucks a gram versus 50 bucks a gram it makes no difference in how much people use, where to these people invent money