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« Reply #375 on: July 20, 2012, 06:47:13 PM »
Im actually pretty suprised not one person tried to do something. Usually in that scenario, there is at least one person that would be able to do something while he was distracted. In this case, it couldnt hurt, even if he just tackled the guy.
you could have made a thread 2 days ago about what people would do in a theater if a shooter walked in and gotten half the people to talk about how they would have kicked ass.

Im sure everyone here would have  ::)

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« Reply #376 on: July 20, 2012, 06:47:43 PM »
I think that people should have the ability to protect themselves but that wouldn't have prevented what happened last night , nothing would. And that type of situation has bad written all over it , smoke , dark , sound , panic and terror , him wearing body armor , etc nothing was gonna stop that but doesn't mean people shouldn't have the ability to protect themselves and look for an opportunity to end the threat without harm to other people.
so a gun is the only way you can protect yourself.... abyone who thinks that is deep down a scared individual....
anyway ND I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this one... but I will say, not because you've  know one way or grew up one way.. means its the only way.
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« Reply #377 on: July 20, 2012, 06:48:12 PM »
Yes.
Easily.

(Machine shop)

So what your gonna spend 100 grand to make a gun?

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« Reply #378 on: July 20, 2012, 06:49:26 PM »
So what your gonna spend 100 grand to make a gun?
What are you talking about? 100-200 dollars for metal, couple of hundred in accessory parts, done.

100 grand? You have no idea what youre talking about, do you?

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« Reply #379 on: July 20, 2012, 06:49:37 PM »
Haha, one of the kids was talking about those the other day, the old school gatlin gun with the wooden crank?
Yeah, he got if off one of the websites called CADgrab or something, didnt pay a cent. There was CAD files for all kinds of them, AR-10's, AR-15's, etc.
No wood crank, Billit aluminum, this guy has 2 CNC machines in his barn, and too much time on his hands.

6 grand includes the mount for the front of your ATV!! :D
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« Reply #380 on: July 20, 2012, 06:50:44 PM »
What are you talking about? 100-200 dollars for metal, couple of hundred in accessory parts, done.

100 grand? You have no idea what youre talking about, do you?
I said that on the last page, dude is completely out of it.
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« Reply #381 on: July 20, 2012, 06:51:17 PM »
so a gun is the only way you can protect yourself.... abyone who thinks that is deep down a scared individual....
anyway ND I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this one... but I will say, not because you've  know one way or grew up one way.. means its the only way.
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Cultural differences dude, gun is the great equalizer over here. It is very effective defense - when there are many places here that you may get assaulted from multiple people because youre in the wrong neighborhood, a gun is cheap insurance.

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« Reply #382 on: July 20, 2012, 06:52:51 PM »
Youre trying to argue that a man that walked into a theater and started shooting people, pretending he was the joker, was acting rationally? And that he may have just decided against it if it was toughter?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot bro? He went to a lot of work to get the helmet, vest, and explosives, he was pretty dedicated. Your argument makes no sense.

Why wasn't he acting rationally? He didn't value his life, wanting fame/attention, decided to kill some people. Seem pretty rational to me.

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« Reply #383 on: July 20, 2012, 06:53:36 PM »
I said that on the last page, dude is completely out of it.
Gotta be trolling, he's so far out in left field on every "fact" he's tried to state, that its ludicrous. Simply does not operate in reality.

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« Reply #384 on: July 20, 2012, 06:54:44 PM »
Why wasn't he acting rationally? He didn't value his life, wanting fame/attention, decided to kill some people. Seem pretty rational to me.


Mental illness doesn't imply an absence of rational thinking.

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« Reply #385 on: July 20, 2012, 06:55:12 PM »
What are you talking about? 100-200 dollars for metal, couple of hundred in accessory parts, done.

100 grand? You have no idea what youre talking about, do you?
How much does it cost for the equipment to do the maching, and no I have no idea how much this stuff would cost in a hobbiests setting. I know a cnc and a lathe as a pair would cost 100 grand plus, at least at my old work.

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« Reply #386 on: July 20, 2012, 06:56:31 PM »
Why wasn't he acting rationally? He didn't value his life, wanting fame/attention, decided to kill some people. Seem pretty rational to me.
And thats rational to you? To decide to just go and start random innocent people, including children? Speaks more on your thought process than his.

His thought process leading up to it may have been rational, but the decision itself is clearly not.
Just because someone is a sociopath/psychopath doesnt mean he isnt capable of rational planning to achieve his end goal.

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« Reply #387 on: July 20, 2012, 06:57:25 PM »
Gotta be trolling, he's so far out in left field on every "fact" he's tried to state, that its ludicrous. Simply does not operate in reality.
Most anti gun people don't operate in reality. ;)
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« Reply #388 on: July 20, 2012, 06:58:00 PM »
How much does it cost for the equipment to do the maching, and no I have no idea how much this stuff would cost in a hobbiests setting. I know a cnc and a lathe as a pair would cost 100 grand plus, at least at my old work.
Yes, if you had to buy the machines, but you dont, as there are plenty of people that work at shops doing this themselves and selling them under the table with no serial numbers and no registration.
As was already stated, any sort of ban is just going to increase the number of sales through back channels like the people that do this on the side at their machine shop.

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« Reply #389 on: July 20, 2012, 06:59:46 PM »
And thats rational to you? To decide to just go and start random innocent people, including children? Speaks more on your thought process than his.

His thought process leading up to it may have been rational, but the decision itself is clearly not.
Just because someone is a sociopath/psychopath doesnt mean he isnt capable of rational planning to achieve his end goal.
Were getting into semantics here, he wanted he showed no signs of delusion, or any stream of thinking that would show that he didn't understand the laws around him. He knew he'd get caught, knew he'd only kill so many, knew it would be on the news etc.

He was aware of the circumstances, your acting as if he was a typical delusional nutter, who didn't understand his situation or atleast your implying this is the case.

If he was aware of the circumstances, you'd think changing those circumstances might have changed his actions.

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« Reply #390 on: July 20, 2012, 07:02:27 PM »
Were getting into semantics here, he wanted he showed no signs of delusion, or any stream of thinking that would show that he didn't understand the laws around him. He knew he'd get caught, knew he'd only kill so many, knew it would be on the news etc.

He was aware of the circumstances, your acting as if he was a typical delusional nutter, who didn't understand his situation or atleast your implying this is the case.

If he was aware of the circumstances, you'd think changing those circumstances might have changed his actions.
No he wouldnt have altered his actions - he went to a lot of trouble to aquire the illegal items that he used - that shows dedication. Its not like you can go and buy a fucking Kevlar helmet at the local gun store - theyre illegal. As are bulletproof vests. Highly illegal, and regulated.

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« Reply #391 on: July 20, 2012, 07:06:45 PM »
No he wouldnt have altered his actions - he went to a lot of trouble to aquire the illegal items that he used - that shows dedication. Its not like you can go and buy a fucking Kevlar helmet at the local gun store - theyre illegal. As are bulletproof vests. Highly illegal, and regulated.

Actually, anyone who works in the security industry can get a bulletproof vests in most states.

You can buy them secondhand... Not illegal at all.

I have a Level IIIA featherweight I've had for around 15-16 years now.

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« Reply #392 on: July 20, 2012, 07:08:22 PM »
Cultural differences dude, gun is the great equalizer over here. It is very effective defense - when there are many places here that you may get assaulted from multiple people because youre in the wrong neighborhood, a gun is cheap insurance.

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« Reply #393 on: July 20, 2012, 07:08:33 PM »
If you restrict a product in its primary stream, there will be more demand for a secondary cheap source of the product (black market), the primary source will decrease in demand, as it will be in a greater price. I'm not suggesting ridding of guns absolutely, nor am I suggesting a simplistic, banning of guns, just more controls than there are currently.


Yes, if you had to buy the machines, but you dont, as there are plenty of people that work at shops doing this themselves and selling them under the table with no serial numbers and no registration.
As was already stated, any sort of ban is just going to increase the number of sales through back channels like the people that do this on the side at their machine shop.
|I think I got that about 30 posts ago. Again machine shops are standardized environments mostly for quality purposes keeping a watch on such places would be useful. To think they'd be making millions of weapons a year is a stretch. Sure they would make some but not enough to nullify any gun laws. Again, I'm not saying we wipe out all gun usage, but curtailing the number of guns produced by 2-3 percent per year would seem like a good ideal.
Weapons laws, should fall under laws that already in place in places like food processing plants. Security is a major issues at my work, because of terrorism fears.

The same it would make sense to apply to machine shops, or any industrial place capable of making weapons technologies. These might seem extreme but it's not just in the interest of the public, but companies  wanting control over any risks associated with their business.

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« Reply #394 on: July 20, 2012, 07:08:46 PM »
No he wouldnt have altered his actions - he went to a lot of trouble to aquire the illegal items that he used - that shows dedication. Its not like you can go and buy a fucking Kevlar helmet at the local gun store - theyre illegal. As are bulletproof vests. Highly illegal, and regulated.

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« Reply #395 on: July 20, 2012, 07:12:04 PM »
Actually, anyone who works in the security industry can get a bulletproof vests in most states.

You can buy them secondhand... Not illegal at all.

I have a Level IIIA featherweight I've had for around 15-16 years now.
Yeah and last I checked kevlar, is a patented technology, not something that the producers wants being resold without paying a royalty.

These are the types of things that should be controlled not just because of the nanny state but because it would be in the interest of the producers of such products. Were in the modern age inventory tracking is getting cheaper and cheaper every year, these types of things are no longer unrealistic.

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« Reply #396 on: July 20, 2012, 07:16:05 PM »
Actually, anyone who works in the security industry can get a bulletproof vests in most states.

You can buy them secondhand... Not illegal at all.

I have a Level IIIA featherweight I've had for around 15-16 years now.
Kevlar or plated?
Im operating under the assumption it was a plate carrier. If not, then Im wrong.

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« Reply #397 on: July 20, 2012, 07:17:49 PM »
|I think I got that about 30 posts ago. Again machine shops are standardized environments mostly for quality purposes keeping a watch on such places would be useful. To think they'd be making millions of weapons a year is a stretch. Sure they would make some but not enough to nullify any gun laws. Again, I'm not saying we wipe out all gun usage, but curtailing the number of guns produced by 2-3 percent per year would seem like a good ideal.
Weapons laws, should fall under laws that already in place in places like food processing plants. Security is a major issues at my work, because of terrorism fears.

The same it would make sense to apply to machine shops, or any industrial place capable of making weapons technologies. These might seem extreme but it's not just in the interest of the public, but companies  wanting control over any risks associated with their business.
So you are for the government keeping watch on businesses that use CNC or mills/lathes just in case they make weapons ???

LMAO, people like you are the problem, inviting the government to come in and babysit you...fuckin loser.
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« Reply #398 on: July 20, 2012, 07:23:34 PM »
|I think I got that about 30 posts ago. Again machine shops are standardized environments mostly for quality purposes keeping a watch on such places would be useful. To think they'd be making millions of weapons a year is a stretch. Sure they would make some but not enough to nullify any gun laws. Again, I'm not saying we wipe out all gun usage, but curtailing the number of guns produced by 2-3 percent per year would seem like a good ideal.
Weapons laws, should fall under laws that already in place in places like food processing plants. Security is a major issues at my work, because of terrorism fears.

The same it would make sense to apply to machine shops, or any industrial place capable of making weapons technologies. These might seem extreme but it's not just in the interest of the public, but companies  wanting control over any risks associated with their business.
Uh, what? You want to watch shops to make sure an employee isnt making weapons?
Seriously dude, you have no idea the scope of what your ideas entail. You would have to expand the Federal government enormously, and give them tremendous amounts of power to do something like youre suggesting.
But if you want a totalitarian state, be my guest.

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« Reply #399 on: July 20, 2012, 07:51:25 PM »
So you are for the government keeping watch on businesses that use CNC or mills/lathes just in case they make weapons ???

LMAO, people like you are the problem, inviting the government to come in and babysit you...fuckin loser.
Yes to a degree, companies, should have time on equipment logged, for multiple purposes. It's in their interest, to keep a measure on how much time is being spent on a certain machine. Giving said companies tax benefits to comply with the liabilities that go along with such devices. Please don't act like this is coming out of nowhere, cnc machines etc are prone to wear and tear, and just the same any product a machinist will make is already subject to some liability as is. The idea, that this would be kept on electronic record with the federal government is not extreme. Granted compliance with such legislation wouldn't be inflexible and would be eased in over a long time span.