Lunatic kills 12 at 'Dark Knight Rises' screening in Colorado

[Shockwave]

Yes to a degree, companies, should have time on equipment logged, for multiple purposes. It's in their interest, to keep a measure on how much time is being spent on a certain machine.Giving said companies tax benefits to comply with the liabilities that go along with such devices. Please don't act like this is coming out of nowhere, cnc machines etc are prone to wear and tear, and just the same any product a machinist will make is already subject to some liability as is. The idea, that this would be kept on electronic record with the federal government is not extreme. Granted compliance with such legislation wouldn't be inflexible and would be eased in over a long time span.

You have no idea how Machine Shops operate, do you?

[MikMaq]

You have no idea how Machine Shops operate, do you?

Depends on the shop I suppose. Last I checked cnc's are liscened products, which have constraints when you buy them. Obviously any older machines would be exempt from such laws, and it  would gradually start off as voluntary for tax credits.

[Tapeworm]

A solid audit would reduce the batman to a quivering jelly.  No way he could hide the expense of all the bat technology.

[Nails]

If he would have chained and pad locked the entire theather closed and used gasoline and a lighter to torch the place to the ground with everyone in it, we would all Be discussing banning gas , matches and masterlocks  :/


We are still trying to ban airplanes???

[JBGRAY]

Yearly gun sales have absolutely no correlation at all with the rate of gun murders.  In fact, gun sales have been steadily increasing while gun crimes have been decreasing.  Overall violent crime has been steadily on the decline since the early 1990's despite gorier video games and movies, more gun sales, fluctuating economies, more/less police, political rhetoric (all these blamed on a random violent act by those in the media).  Only one set-in-stone statistic can account for this, and it is something completely out of the law enforcement arena.

A shooting like this elicits an emotional response making people believe that something, ABSOLUTELY has to be done about this(as if passing a law based on emotion will actually do anything).  It is a cold reality when this is just something that well.....happens.  

[Soul Crusher]

Yearly gun sales have absolutely no correlation at all with the rate of gun murders.  In fact, gun sales have been steadily increasing while gun crimes have been decreasing.  Overall violent crime has been steadily on the decline since the early 1990's despite gorier video games and movies, more gun sales, fluctuating economies, more/less police, political rhetoric (all these blamed on a random violent act by those in the media).  Only one set-in-stone statistic can account for this, and it is something completely out of the law enforcement arena.

A shooting like this elicits an emotional response making people believe that something, ABSOLUTELY has to be done about this(as if passing a law based on emotion will actually do anything).  It is a cold reality when this is just something that well.....happens.  

End of thread. 

[Shockwave]

Depends on the shop I suppose. Last I checked cnc's are liscened products, which have constraints when you buy them. Obviously any older machines would be exempt from such laws, and it  would gradually start off as voluntary for tax credits.

Licensed products with contraints? What are you referring to?
I was referring to the fact that the smaller shops will sometimes run their salary employees round the clock during the busy season to get work done, how in the hell are they going to keep records of that for the government and still get their work done?

[MikMaq]

Yearly gun sales have absolutely no correlation at all with the rate of gun murders.  In fact, gun sales have been steadily increasing while gun crimes have been decreasing.  Overall violent crime has been steadily on the decline since the early 1990's despite gorier video games and movies, more gun sales, fluctuating economies, more/less police, political rhetoric (all these blamed on a random violent act by those in the media).  Only one set-in-stone statistic can account for this, and it is something completely out of the law enforcement arena.

A shooting like this elicits an emotional response making people believe that something, ABSOLUTELY has to be done about this(as if passing a law based on emotion will actually do anything).  It is a cold reality when this is just something that well.....happens.  

I'll agree to some extent, but I won't agree that emotional crimes are not more relevant than non emotional/accidental ones.

Fear is a real force, it's bad for business. A infected food scandal, a massacre, a random disaster all can do serious damage to an industry, you can't simply could it by death, but also in human costs.

Also I'll agree that most violent crime is going down generation by generation, I doubt it has to do with people being more armed, or any other factor you named. But more with other general themes in society.  However I do believe getting violent attention crimes under control is a serious concern for our society as our lives become safer, random incidents will become more costly for companies in the windfall of any deaths.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I agree... no diss to americans I love the they are great people friendly when ive visited.....kind etc
but for anyone to actually say more people should have been carrying .... is just incredulous ...
this cowboy gun way is just wrong IMO.....

As long as we need locks on our doors, we will also need a weapon of some sort. Banning guns for law abiding citizens will in too many cases result in every criminal having a black market gun against your butter knife... I don't know what planet some of you people are living on, but this is Hell on EArth. I don't own a gun and probably never will because I can break the spine of a German Shepard with my bare hands. But for most other people, guns may just save their life and the lives of their children.

[f450]

guess the race 

"These People" should all be rounded up and shot. The earth would be a much better place.

[Secret Stack]

read the first 2 pages of this thread of "guess the race" posts.......

hasn't the game changed to "guess the country" yet?

"guess the country" is becoming far more easier.

[willie mosconi]

Does anybody have any links or citations to studies regarding gun laws in various countries and rates of gun violence? Are the rates dramatically higher in the US vs. countries that have stricter gun laws?

[musclecenter]

ABC takes advantage of this very sad day to promote their Gun control agenda.

[nzmusclemonster]

In NZ we have virtually no access to guns.

If someone gets murdered with a gun its front page news for weeks.

If someone gets murdered with a gun in the states it's just business as usual.

[Tito24]

buying guns is perfectly fine but when theres a nipple shown the country is upside down, very sick land

[King Shizzo]

Where are you trying to go with this? That he just woke up one day and said "Man, im gonna go buy an AK and shoot up a bunch of people at the theater tonight, good thing I can buy firearms so easily?" Cause that really doesnt fly, since the things he used to do this clearly constituted pre-meditation, you dont just aquire body armor, kevlar helmet, and wire your home with explosives all in a day. (all of which are highly regulated and illegal)

That brings up a good point.  "normal" citizens should not be able to legally purchase fucking full body armor.  That should have sent up a red flag then.

[JBGRAY]

Does anybody have any links or citations to studies regarding gun laws in various countries and rates of gun violence? Are the rates dramatically higher in the US vs. countries that have stricter gun laws?

Of course the US is going to have higher rates and sheer numbers of those committing violent crimes utilizing a firearm.  Nations such as the UK, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, China, France, and Germany have much lower violent crime rates.  Reasons for this go well above and beyond something simple as strict gun control laws(the Columbine shooters broke well over 50 gun laws alone) such as culture and a mostly homogenous peoples.  Then again, going beyond guns, the US still exceeds those other nations when it comes to homicides and accidents(i.e. vehicles, knives, blunt instruments).  Nothing is ever simple, and a shooting of this magnitude always brings up the topic of more strict gun control laws.

Abortion and access to abortion facilities is THE statistic when it comes to reducing violent crime.  You'll see cities and states (Democrat-heavy, if I may add) begin their crime decreases in direct relation to how soon its populace had better access to abortion facilities upon the Roe V. Wade decision.  The overall vast majority of women having abortions are those who do not have a real means of support for their expectant children and lack of a nuclear family structure.  If these children were to be born, the chances would be much higher of them committing future crimes.  Read about former Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausecu and you'll see what I am talking about.

Family structure is another overlooked stat.  Stable family environments lead to much lesser likelihoods of its members.  Why do you think African-Americans have such high percentages of violent crimes committed?  I'm in the process of adoption, and the number of children available are mostly African-American.  Of course, you can throw the whole family structure argument out as infamous killers such as the Batman Shooter, Columbine, and Jeffrey Dahmer came from good households.

A new stat that should be looked at is how many of these killers are on some sort of behavior altering drug that is pushed by major pharmaceutical industries?

Anyway, here's some gun stats in the US for you to look at that disproves gun violence and gun control laws that attempt to prevent them.
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

[Roger Bacon]

Hey guys lets play, Guess the Race ...............


 

haha... 

[Shockwave]

Interesting



* During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower

[MikMaq]

Interesting

Yeah because a crack epidemic is a minor problem relative to a tiny district banning certain guns.


Interesting
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_fir_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop

[Shockwave]

Yeah because a crack epidemic is a minor problem relative to a tiny district banning certain guns.

Uh, what?
The point here, is that after banning handguns the murder rate rose dramatically while the national trend averaged lower.

[Shockwave]

Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.

[MikMaq]

Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.

And magically skyrocket by 1985 Why everywhere


http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/history/1985-1990.html

Ever here of a crack epidemic?

[Shockwave]

And magically skyrocket by 1985 Why everywhere

What are you trying to say?

[MikMaq]

What are you trying to say?

Reread.



That crime rates skyrocketed via the prevalence of cheap and easy crack coccaine.