Obama 2008 - "I promise not to run negative ads and run a positive campaign"

[Soul Crusher]

[Dos Equis]

Riight.   

[Straw Man]

BFD - he was talking about the 2008 campaign

shall we all watch the videos where a Romney says he is pro-choice and more in favor of gay rights than Ted Kennedy. How about the one where he says a blind trust is just a "ruse" and you can still tell the trust what do.

It seems Romney has decided to make his entire campaign about creating a lie about a poory constructed sentence and eventually the smart Repubs are going to get tired of this lie and want him to talk real issues but the problem is that he can't.

It's the same stupid tactic as Palin constantly talking about Obama "palling around" with terrorists.    The majority of voters were smart enough to realize how stupid this was and quickly got tired it of hearing it and yet Palin kept flogging that straw man until the bitter end.

[howardroark]

It seems Romney has decided to make his entire campaign about creating a lie about a poory constructed sentence and eventually the smart Repubs are going to get tired of this lie and want him to talk real issues but the problem is that he can't.

Right, don't worry about Obama failing to deliver on his promises or for being the most partisan President in recent history. And don't mind the fact that it's been the Democrats who have been running a distraction campaign based on Romney's job creation record as a businessman and when Romney might have quit from Bain Capital.

[Straw Man]

Right, don't worry about Obama failing to deliver on his promises or for being the most partisan President in recent history. And don't mind the fact that it's been the Democrats who have been running a distraction campaign based on Romney's job creation record as a businessman and when Romney might have quit from Bain Capital.

He's delivered on some and been stymied on others and if you recall he started out with attempting to be partisan with the only result of having Repubs turn against their own sponsored legislation in an effort to never do anything bipartisan, even if by their actions they harm the country.   When you've got Mitch McConnel saying their partys primary goal is to make Obama a one term president it's pretty obvious who is more to blame for partisanship and deadlock in this country

Obama has and will continue to run on his record and Romney will attempt to run by distorting Obamas's words and then trying to run against the lie's he's created and pretend he is actually running against Obama and that will only workd for a certain segment of morons who are too stupid to see through it and the longer he does it the smaller that group will become

[Soul Crusher]

He's delivered on some and been stymied on others and if you recall he started out with attempting to be partisan with the only result of having Repubs turn against their own sponsored legislation in an effort to never do anything bipartisan, even if by their actions they harm the country.   When you've got Mitch McConnel saying their partys primary goal is to make Obama a one term president it's pretty obvious who is more to blame for partisanship and deadlock in this country

Obama has and will continue to run on his record and Romney will attempt to run by distorting Obamas's words and then trying to run against the lie's he's created and pretend he is actually running against Obama and that will only workd for a certain segment of morons who are too stupid to see through it and the longer he does it the smaller that group will become

Here is the only record that matters. 

[240 is Back]

Here is the only record that matters. 

repubs aren't talking about that record.  They're talking about how much libs are mad about an anti-gay statement by an old man.

that's what matter to the base, who probably can't read that chart to begin with.

[Straw Man]

Here is the only record that matters. 

wrong but it doesn't even matter because that's not what Romney is even going to be talking about

he's going to focus on fighting against a lie and by doing so pretending he's actualy fighting Obama

the problem with that is only handful of dopes will actually believe it and be influenced by it

[howardroark]

He's delivered on some and been stymied on others and if you recall he started out with attempting to be partisan with the only result of having Repubs turn against their own sponsored legislation in an effort to never do anything bipartisan, even if by their actions they harm the country.   When you've got Mitch McConnel saying their partys primary goal is to make Obama a one term president it's pretty obvious who is more to blame for partisanship and deadlock in this country

Obama has and will continue to run on his record and Romney will attempt to run by distorting Obamas's words and then trying to run against the lie's he's created and pretend he is actually running against Obama and that will only workd for a certain segment of morons who are too stupid to see through it and the longer he does it the smaller that group will become

Knee-padding talking points. All of it.

2008-2010 Democrats had 57 seats in the Senate plus two left-wing independents and 256 seats in the House.

The only things Obama and the Democrats got done was more wasteful spending, more bailouts, more corporatism, more violations of our civil liberties, and more unconstitutional wars.

[Straw Man]

Knee-padding talking points. All of it.

2008-2010 Democrats had 57 seats in the Senate plus two left-wing independents and 256 seats in the House.

The only things Obama and the Democrats got done was more wasteful spending, more bailouts, more corporatism, more violations of our civil liberties, and more unconstitutional wars.

how exactly is telling the truth knee padding

Obama is and will continue to run on his record and Romney will continue to run away from his own record

Romney is free to talk about actual issues and yet is seeming to have chosen to run against a straw man argument instead of his own record (which of course he can't because it's toxic) or even Obama's record (which only highlights the divisiveness of his own party)

btw - please go look up the record of the current Congress (run by Repubs who have been stymied by the teabad contingent) and tell me what they have done


hint - they have been the least productive congress ever and this is just from the perspective of the basics of their job such as passing appropriations bills, etc..

If you want to know why nothing can get done in this country and who is to blame that would be the place to look for your answer and those are undisputable facts

[Soul Crusher]

Of course Reid is blameless in all of this too.   

how exactly is telling the truth knee padding

Obama is and will continue to run on his record and Romney will continue to run away from his own record

Romney is free to talk about actual issues and yet is seeming to have chosen to run against a straw man argument instead of his own record (which of course he can't because it's toxic) or even Obama's record (which only highlights the divisiveness of his own party)

btw - please go look up the record of the current Congress (run by Repubs who have been stymied by the teabad contingent) and tell me what they have done


hint - they have been the least productive congress ever and this is just from the perspective of the basics of their job such as passing appropriations bills, etc..

If you want to know why nothing can get done in this country and who is to blame that would be the place to look for your answer and those are undisputable facts

[Straw Man]

Of course Reid is blameless in all of this too.   

mostly yes.

Obama's idea of compromise is to give Repubs 80% of what they want

Repubs idea of compromise is to vote against their own sponsored legislation if/when Obama and the Dems get onboard.

These are not my beliefs - these are actual verifiable facts

[Soul Crusher]

mostly yes.

Obama's idea of compromise is to give Repubs 80% of what they want

Repubs idea of compromise is to vote against their own sponsored legislation if/when Obama and the Dems get onboard.

These are not my beliefs - these are actual verifiable facts

LOL!!!!!! 

Come on now! 

Reid won't even bring up budgets for a fucking vote! 

[howardroark]

Obama is and will continue to run on his record and Romney will continue to run away from his own record

If you've been watching any of the TV ads, none of them go any further in favor of Obama than to say "he TRIED to protect our jobs." LOL. Whereas the ads hitting the airwaves against Romney have been far more numerous.

Romney is free to talk about actual issues and yet is seeming to have chosen to run against a straw man argument instead of his own record (which of course he can't because it's toxic) or even Obama's record (which only highlights the divisiveness of his own party)

He has been talking about the issues and he does have a plan - unlike Obama. See, for example, the Paul Ryan budget plan. Where is Obama's proposed path to fiscal responsibility? Oh right, it doesn't exist.

btw - please go look up the record of the current Congress (run by Repubs who have been stymied by the teabad contingent) and tell me what they have done

For one, passed an Audit the Fed bill with 3/4 majority and bipartisan support, yet Harry Reid in the Senate vows to kill it.

Furthermore, here are 30 jobs bill passed by the House but stuck in the Senate:

What's happening is relatively simple: the Democrats are refusing even the minor long-term spending controls and tax reforms offered by the Republicans. They are completely uninterested in anything besides pushing their far-left agenda on the country.

[Straw Man]

LOL!!!!!! 

Come on now! 

Reid won't even bring up budgets for a fucking vote! 

why should he

at this point Politics at the federal level is solely about the polictical parties

when you have one party saying their only goal is to defeat the POTUS (and at a time when we really need the two parties to work together for the benefit of this country) the only sane thing to do is have tghe same fight that your opponent is bringing to you

This country will remain in gridlock until one party has all the power and I blame that about 95% on the Republica party

[howardroark]

why should he

at this point Politics at the federal level is solely about the polictical parties

when you have one party saying their only goal is to defeat the POTUS (and at a time when we really need the two parties to work together for the benefit of this country) the only sane thing to do is have tghe same fight that your opponent is bringing to you

This country will remain in gridlock until one party has all the power and I blame that about 95% on the Republica party

Right, don't blame the Democrats for not putting forth a SINGLE budget that sets us on the path to fiscal responsibility, right? Or for proposing any Medicare or Social Security reforms, as the Republicans have done? Or for proposing bipartisan tax reform plans (lowering tax rates while broadening the base for a revenue-neutral plan)? Or for moving forward on their promise to lower corporate tax rates without killing our competitiveness overseas?

And don't blame them for the fact that they had a 59 seat majority in the Senate plus a majority in the House and a President in the White House for two years and didn't do jack shit.

[Soul Crusher]

Right, don't blame the Democrats for not putting forth a SINGLE budget that sets us on the path to fiscal responsibility, right? Or for proposing any Medicare or Social Security reforms, as the Republicans have done? Or for proposing bipartisan tax reform plans (lowering tax rates while broadening the base for a revenue-neutral plan)? Or for moving forward on their promise to lower corporate tax rates without killing our competitiveness overseas?

And don't blame them for the fact that they had a 59 seat majority in the Senate plus a majority in the House and a President in the White House for two years and didn't do jack shit.

Its never their fault. 

Check this out.

 

[240 is Back]

shouldnt that number have turned around in jan 2011 when repubs took over congress? 

[howardroark]

shouldnt that number have turned around in jan 2011 when repubs took over congress? 

Thirty jobs bills passed by them never made it through the Senate.

[Straw Man]

If you've been watching any of the TV ads, none of them go any further in favor of Obama than to say "he TRIED to protect our jobs." LOL. Whereas the ads hitting the airwaves against Romney have been far more numerous.

He has been talking about the issues and he does have a plan - unlike Obama. See, for example, the Paul Ryan budget plan. Where is Obama's proposed path to fiscal responsibility? Oh right, it doesn't exist.

For one, passed an Audit the Fed bill with 3/4 majority and bipartisan support, yet Harry Reid in the Senate vows to kill it.

Furthermore, here are 30 jobs bill passed by the House but stuck in the Senate:

What's happening is relatively simple: the Democrats are refusing even the minor long-term spending controls and tax reforms offered by the Republicans. They are completely uninterested in anything besides pushing their far-left agenda on the country.

Romneys plan is lower taxes on the wealthy and less regulation

even though that has never worked in creating jobs and only resulted in larger deficits and more industrial accidents that seems to be irrelevent to the Romney campaign

Dems shold give Repubs nothing unless they get compromises and true bipartisanship
If the Repubs plan is to say "give us exactly what we want and in return we'll give you nothing that you want" then why would the Dems do that?


The most basic part of the job of congress is to pass legislation

from that standard the current congress is the most do nothing congress ever

[Soul Crusher]

Romneys plan is lower taxes on the wealthy and less regulation

even though that has never worked in creating jobs and only resulted in larger deficits and more industrial accidents that seems to be irrelevent to the Romney campaign

Dems shold give Repubs nothing unless they get compromises and true bipartisanship
If the Repubs plan is to say "give us exactly what we want and in return we'll give you nothing that you want" then why would the Dems do that?


The most basic part of the job of congress is to pass legislation

from that standard the current congress is the most do nothing congress ever

LOL - as if more regulations = more progress? 

How about we reverse this monstrosity and they start repealing laws for once? 

[Straw Man]

Its never their fault.  
Check this out.

that chart is an indictment of not only Bush but the Republicans

The jobs fell off a cliff in early 2008 through early 2009 and only stabalized AFTER Obama came into office

The fact that they haven't shot back up in the opposite direction is directly related to Republicans not wanting to do anything to help the middle class..... period

and even though corporate profits have done a V shaped rebound (mostly in part to Obama stabalizing the financial system) the middle class has yet to see any improvement

Romneys plan is to come in an cut taxes again on the wealthly and cut regulations and somehow that is supposed to fix the problem

[Soul Crusher]

Spent 6 trillion dollars and we have nothing to show for it.   

[Straw Man]

Spent 6 trillion dollars and we have nothing to show for it.   

sure he has something to show for it

he can show that he paid the interest on the debt accumulated under former POTUS's

[Soul Crusher]

sure he has something to show for it

he can show that he paid the interest on the debt accumulated under former POTUS's