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« on: August 01, 2012, 02:08:42 PM »

I find it interesting how certain people hate on women who cover themselves, do not expose themselves or make themselves available cheap like a train station...

To the point in recent ten years there are laws targeting Muslim women supposedly to 'liberate' them. Quite ironic and hypocritical.

I know having a mixed background and my father's mother's side being orthodox christian that orthodox women cover with veils. I also know having my mother's side that catholics also wear veils but mostly when visiting churches traditionally.

Likewise historically Jewish women were covered. The mother of Jesus (peace be upon her) is always portrayed as covering herself. In Islam Mary is revered (not divinized like for Catholics) as a very important female figure.

Lastly the same applies for men, in most cultures men dressed like muslim arab men of today. With long covering clothing. Of course we can cite examples of shorts-like wear and bare naked jungle tribal wear but the more intellectual societies would cover themselves and have some kind of dignity in modesty.

So what I find interesting aside from christian women that cover in more traditional backgrounds (whether orthodox or catholic) are jewish women that still cover today... mostly found in ethiopia, not the ashkenazi euro convert jews but real middle-eastern and african original semite jews.

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It's ironic that there are magazines, makeups, etc.. dubbing themselves as 'cover girls' covering what? While in fact doing the opposite of 'covering' lol... and that these women are somehow liberated and not objectified... yet it is the opposite that is true. Women who actually cover are liberated as they are not bound by sexual judgment but by intellectual judgment. The value of a woman is not then in the superficial of physique but rather of her intellect, character, personality, faith, etc...
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 06:23:19 AM »

Perhaps a career in fashion?

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 02:39:01 PM »

Why do religious men want to control what the woman wears ?

Women like to feel attractive and look good.

Oppressive religious bullshit - people who worship an invisible friend in the sky.

They can wear what the feck they like. As long as its their choice.

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 03:32:56 PM »

Says the guy who's name is pork_chop.

More like you wana be the one oogling at naked butts and satisfy your perversion.

Although I'm a guy, both my mother who's become Muslim and my wife who was born muslim will tell you that it is not 'men controlling' them covering themselves, but rather the opposite that they don't want to be objectified by people like you.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 03:49:01 PM »

Im in full agreement with acchhhhmed.
Goddamn sluts are just tempting me to rape them when I can see their eyes.
Stone the harlots.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 01:26:10 AM »

You have to separate the culture of certain arabs away from what Islam teaches.

In Islam women are able to own their property, divorce, not be forced into marriage, run their own business, things which up until 50 years ago were unheard of in north america and certain western countries. Women would not be allowed to divorce, not allowed to operate businesses unless under their husband's, etc... etc... Islam allowed all this over 1400 years ago.

The fact that some ignorant Arabs who don't know much about Islam enforce certain pre-islamic culture vibes does not mean Islam is what you think or try to portray it as.

There are certain aspects you may not be able to understand such as, men and women not mixing, this may seem strange to you, but it is not really strange to us. What business do I have with other women? Unless it is work for instance. Likewise with my wife? Since becoming muslim I have cut off from all female friends not out of some kind of enmity but out of respect and self-respect. These things seem awkward to some. That does not mean I act as an emotionless wall towards the other gender, but the way I view and respect women is different and this is in Islam.

On the other hand, the opposite is people intermingling, partying together, even mixed gatherings as I know from my own family before islam, always some kind of jealousy or comments or flirtation something may arise. We are humans after all. To avoid all these issues islam teaches us preventative actions.

Why employ a cure, when you can prevent a certain disease to begin with? Why fall into trouble and have to fix it? When you can avoid the trouble to begin with?

So in retrospect, the gender mixing or lack of it for that matter may seem strange to some of you. Muslim women wanting to cover and not expose themselves for every joe and schmoe may seem strange to you but it is out of respect and self-respect.

The likelyhood of a guy whistling and doing stupid crap at a woman who is in a micro skirt and heavy makeup is alot more likely than a woman in jilbab and hijab that walks modestly, doesn't have her ass visible nor struting down for attention, but protecting what is hers.
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2012, 07:44:25 AM »

Im in full agreement with acchhhhmed.
Goddamn sluts are just tempting me to rape them when I can see their eyes.
Stone the harlots.

Good post!



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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2012, 08:04:06 AM »

Says the guy who's name is pork_chop.

More like you wana be the one oogling at naked butts and satisfy your perversion.

Although I'm a guy, both my mother who's become Muslim and my wife who was born muslim will tell you that it is not 'men controlling' them covering themselves, but rather the opposite that they don't want to be objectified by people like you.

Yeah - Ive been a member 10 years , youve been here 10 days and obviously a cock sucker.

"if you could reason with a religious person - there wouldn't be religion" - so I'm not even gonna debate with you.

You make my shit itch, implying stuff I never even said.

Why dont you go out and persecute some gay people with a bacon sandwich in your back pocket.

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2012, 08:13:18 AM »

Why are you on get big talking about Islam? What's the point?
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2012, 01:51:06 PM »

lol ignorant people.

Your statement of why you are on getbig is as moronic as "go back to your country" that some ignorant and hateful fellas will say to some people they disagree with Smiley

Oh and why talk about Islam? Hmm maybe because I'm muslim and certain non-muslims on here are attacking Islam with their own twisted hatred and misinformation I don't know?
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2012, 01:53:48 PM »

Exactly.

He's a troll insinuating people like mine or your mother, who dont dress from head to toe like a feckin' ninja are "cheap" for wearing normal everyday attire.

It's been well documented that islamic fanatics have killed their own daughters for dressing in a "westernised" manner , thus bringing "shame" on their family.

There is a high profile case of a British girl, having a bag put over her head and beaten to death by her father, whilst her own mother held her down.

Disgusting medieval fucks.

That's sad but not Islam. These people are equally ignorant of Islam on the same level as yourself.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2012, 01:59:02 PM »

And you mention your mother and daughter or sister? I didn't mention anyone in particular especially someone's family, you're just having sick demented thoughts fueled by anger.

I was just pointing out the difference between this:



and this:



Two very different approaches to the same gender. One of lewdness and one of modesty. You are hating on modesty and slandering Islam for advocating modesty, while modesty is a noble characteristic that every man and woman should have. Humbleness comes a long ways too. Guys like us who lift weights can either be humble, or we can be assholes because of our own size. I can't stand douchebags in the gym. So learn to have a bit of manners yourself even if it's an internet forum.
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2012, 04:20:55 PM »

And you mention your mother and daughter or sister? I didn't mention anyone in particular especially someone's family, you're just having sick demented thoughts fueled by anger.

I was just pointing out the difference between this:



and this:



Two very different approaches to the same gender. One of lewdness and one of modesty. You are hating on modesty and slandering Islam for advocating modesty, while modesty is a noble characteristic that every man and woman should have. Humbleness comes a long ways too. Guys like us who lift weights can either be humble, or we can be assholes because of our own size. I can't stand douchebags in the gym. So learn to have a bit of manners yourself even if it's an internet forum.
I'll take option A please, but mostly because I dont believe in women having the choice to wear what they want without fear of death.
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2012, 05:12:17 PM »

You make no sense. However...

Your choice clearly shows you are valuing a woman based on her outwardly exposition of sexuality. In fact you are not valuing women at all by that -- rather you value what gives you a better one night stand.

I wonder if you would make the same choice if it was your sister or daughter? Would you encourage either to dress and act that way? How would you feel if your daughter is drunk in clubs, dressing lewdly and attracting every Tom, Dick and Harry. Suddenly if you're honest with yourself which I don't believe you would be to me in this topic, you definitely wouldn't. BUT OF COURSE you would if it means you fucking around.

Without a doubt, you're just another typical guy who screams horror when muslim women cover themselves  but has no problem in checking out random asses, flirting, one night stands. Then talking about woman's rights? Such hypocrisy.

Kind of like the last French president sarkozy, talking about 'liberating muslim women' by banning hijab, banning and even jailing niqabis and charging them fines while he sleeps around and checks out other women? A well known womenizer.

I've seen the same trend quite a few times, the same womenizers are the ones criticizing muslim women for covering themselves.
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2012, 05:42:13 PM »

Without a doubt, you're just another typical guy who screams horror when muslim women cover themselves  but has no problem in checking out random asses, flirting, one night stands. Then talking about woman's rights? Such hypocrisy.
Did you just equate Muslim women covering themselves or facing death, with womens rights?

Impressive sir, impressive.

Bottom line - women should be allowed to wear what they want, not have to cover everything but their eyes because they will be stoned. Whether I agree with what they wear or not is irrelevant - its their choice.

And that, my friend, is womens rights.

Oh, epic job attempting to psychoanalyze everyone who disagrees with you.
Im sure it makes you feel much better about choosing the most intolerant and hate filled religion still practiced today.
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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2012, 05:53:14 PM »

I'm sorry but please bring me this proof from the qur'an that you have been shown that muslim women must be stoned if they show their eyes? Having been muslim for nearly ten years and having studied islam prior to being Muslim I have no run across this so please, I am always willing to learn something new.

You are not even making sense and making yourself look like a fool -- completely ignorant and hate filled of muslims and islam without actually knowing a damn thing about either.

Last time I checked my mother and even my wife chose to wear hijab out of their heart and mind not an american made democracy bringing hand gun pointed at their head.

And I don't need to psychoanalyse your beliefs reek out in every thread attacking islam and muslims, but further more enlightening your living standard and aspirations:

Porn stars and blow, and then a house, in that order.

So much for women's rights or dignity or respect yet again. Just another hypocrite womenizer that hates Muslims and Islam.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2012, 05:59:41 PM »

I'm sorry but please bring me this proof from the qur'an that you have been shown that muslim women must be stoned if they show their eyes? Having been muslim for nearly ten years and having studied islam prior to being Muslim I have no run across this so please, I am always willing to learn something new.

You are not even making sense and making yourself look like a fool -- completely ignorant and hate filled of muslims and islam without actually knowing a damn thing about either.

Last time I checked my mother and even my wife chose to wear hijab out of their heart and mind not an american made democracy bringing hand gun pointed at their head.
If they want to wear it - more power to them. Plenty of women do not, and they have no choice, or face the punishment.
Making myself look like a fool to a extremely indoctrinated Muslim, oh noeesss, how will I ever survive?  Roll Eyes

More atrocities are committed today in the name of Islam than any other religion, bar none. So please stop with this shit.
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2012, 06:05:46 PM »

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Porn stars and blow, and then a house, in that order.

So much for women's rights or dignity or respect yet again. Just another hypocrite womenizer that hates Muslims and Islam.
A.Another Muslim with no sense of humor. Shocking.

B.Please explain to me how this has anything to do with a woman being able to choose how she wants to dress, or what she does with her body?
Oh yeah, I forgot, your idea of "womans rights" is they should be able to choose, as long as you approve of those choices.
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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2012, 06:15:32 PM »

I guess you approve of porn stars and porn alot ey? Funny how you slander Islam and Muslims everywhere. What a great person you must be Smiley

Yet again please bring me this great proof you have come across that cites women to be killed for their 'eyes being seen'. I mean you are clearly very educated by fox news so please I am all ears.

When I say proof, I mean from the qur'an, not what you 'heard' on tv that some idiot from a village did that you assume is from islam.
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2012, 06:21:48 PM »

I guess you approve of porn stars and porn alot ey? Funny how you slander Islam and Muslims everywhere. What a great person you must be Smiley

Yet again please bring me this great proof you have come across that cites women to be killed for their 'eyes being seen'. I mean you are clearly very educated by fox news so please I am all ears.

When I say proof, I mean from the qur'an, not what you 'heard' on tv that some idiot from a village did that you assume is from islam.
Approve of Pornstars? They can do what they want. I take it you think they shouldn't be allowed to do what they want with their bodies?
You really want me to go dig up the articles of women being stoned or murdered for being raped (because they showed to much skin, tempting the men to rape them)? You really going to try and argue that doesn't happen, in the name of Islam?

Again, Islam is responsible for more atrocities than any other religion currently practiced.
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2012, 08:23:05 PM »

You have to separate the culture of certain arabs away from what Islam teaches.

In Islam women are able to own their property, divorce, not be forced into marriage, run their own business, things which up until 50 years ago were unheard of in north america and certain western countries. Women would not be allowed to divorce, not allowed to operate businesses unless under their husband's, etc... etc... Islam allowed all this over 1400 years ago.

The fact that some ignorant Arabs who don't know much about Islam enforce certain pre-islamic culture vibes does not mean Islam is what you think or try to portray it as.

There are certain aspects you may not be able to understand such as, men and women not mixing, this may seem strange to you, but it is not really strange to us. What business do I have with other women? Unless it is work for instance. Likewise with my wife? Since becoming muslim I have cut off from all female friends not out of some kind of enmity but out of respect and self-respect. These things seem awkward to some. That does not mean I act as an emotionless wall towards the other gender, but the way I view and respect women is different and this is in Islam.

On the other hand, the opposite is people intermingling, partying together, even mixed gatherings as I know from my own family before islam, always some kind of jealousy or comments or flirtation something may arise. We are humans after all. To avoid all these issues islam teaches us preventative actions.

Why employ a cure, when you can prevent a certain disease to begin with? Why fall into trouble and have to fix it? When you can avoid the trouble to begin with?

So in retrospect, the gender mixing or lack of it for that matter may seem strange to some of you. Muslim women wanting to cover and not expose themselves for every joe and schmoe may seem strange to you but it is out of respect and self-respect.

The likelyhood of a guy whistling and doing stupid crap at a woman who is in a micro skirt and heavy makeup is alot more likely than a woman in jilbab and hijab that walks modestly, doesn't have her ass visible nor struting down for attention, but protecting what is hers.

I understand what you're saying. Like if you never pick up a drink, you'll never become an alcoholic. If you keep away from strange pussy, you won't fuck it. That being said, you can't take away someones free will. They have to be free to make their own decisions. If they're not smart enough to make the right decision, like not cheat, that's on them. It shouldn't be your worry.
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2012, 08:35:07 PM »

Approve of Pornstars? They can do what they want. I take it you think they shouldn't be allowed to do what they want with their bodies?
You really want me to go dig up the articles of women being stoned or murdered for being raped (because they showed to much skin, tempting the men to rape them)? You really going to try and argue that doesn't happen, in the name of Islam?

Again, Islam is responsible for more atrocities than any other religion currently practiced.
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2012, 08:55:42 PM »

So I guess you have no proof? You mentioned newspapers aka fox tv education?

I asked for proof from the qur'an for what you claim is 'from islam'.

And the #1 atrocity maker of today is none other than United States of America. Shall we say Christian or atheist religion or way of life? At least killing a good hundred people a day directly or by proxy. Even more sadistically via drones targeting 'terrorist' weddings and family get togethers.

I can see where you're coming from being a US marine who goes around Muslim countries killing Muslims. So it goes without say, you are educated by your government, media and hog wash army to think Islam is of the devil when you clearly have no knowledge of Islam and are citing rants about I heard some mozzlem with the name mooohamed killed some family members it must be from teh islamicz. That's your level of knowledge and intellectual debate.

Please cite me a verse that incites murder of a woman for exposing her eyes in the qur'an.

The other irony in you trying to 'debate me' if I can evem call it that as you're only citing hatred filled misinformation about Islam, is that I opened the whole post with the premise of demonstrating that it is not just Muslims who cover themselves, even with niqab, in fact in the arabic bible the word for coverings throughout the bible are found as 'niqab'. You just may have not known that. Long before Islam women would cover and I demonstrated that through mentioning christian and jewish practice of covering. Heck I could have mentioned Hindus of covering too.

You are eroding the discussion via your own lack of knowledge of a religion and only citing hatred of misinformation, thinking that because you heard one person or two person lets say ten people did something outrageous and to you it appears its because they are MOZZLEM that it must be from islam... is just ridiculous.

And again

Please cite me a verse that incites murder of a woman for exposing her eyes in the qur'an.


There is no such thing as 'honor killings' in Islam. These are pre-islamic barbaric practices that are also prelavent amongst christians, amongst hindus (especially in India) and parts of Africa. However none of these idiots are following anything from any of these religions including Islam in order to attain this action.
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« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2012, 09:13:29 PM »

Interesting story from the bible:

http://www.nccbuscc.org/bible/daniel/13/

How a beautiful woman was veiled and a bunch of corrupt and perverted old farts wanted to rape her.
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« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2012, 09:15:13 PM »

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