God quote

[OTHstrong]

You failed to make your point and love is more than just feeling (love being a vague term for a whole set of experiences, physical and mental), however even the feeling of  what one may perceives as "love" easily registers on a brain scan.

You are right there sir
so my point is love is something you experience but can not prove.

[Metabolic]

So the world has just "always" been here.  It had no beginning and has no end?  

You see, I find this logic very ironic.  If I tell you that GOD has no beginning and no end, you will argue till your blue in the face, but if someone tells you the world has no beginning and no end, you believe it without any hesitation.  

People are quick to believe ANY theory, as long as it isn't that God is real.  Because they do not want to answer to anyone.  They want to believe they are the god of their own universe.  

No, I have no trouble in saying Hegelīs god is an interesting idea which I could ultimately agree with give or take certain details of Hegels thinking.

Also, I dont say the world, I say reality, everything, the noumenical world in kant's terms.

[OTHstrong]

I cant prove to you the love of my family besides actions, being that I am a rule-utilitarist its all that matters to me, actions on ones claims.

Now you, prove to me with actions that god EXISTS.

If you are willing to equate existance to an inner state of mind you a re more of an ignorant than i thought you were.

If you continue with your childish remarks I will ignore you and thanks for admitting love can not be proven. Actions do not prove love, never could, and never will.

[Metabolic]

If you continue with your childish remarks I will ignore you and thanks for admitting love can not be proven. Actions do not prove love, never could, and never will.

So areyou willing to equate an inner state of mind to the concept of existance, which by itself implies in todays terms some sort of sensible accesibility?

Are you saying god is like a state of mind? If so, id agree, god is nothingn but a state of mind.

Oh, and cool move not adressing any of the questions, thats why Its so loveable to afgue with religious fanaticss.

[Man of Steel]

You failed to make your point and love is more than just feeling (love being a vague term for a whole set of experiences, physical and mental), however even the feeling of  what one may perceives as "love" easily registers on a brain scan.

And the fact that love is both a physical and mental state that registers on a brain scan means what exactly?

[The True Adonis]

Like I said, you have no logic on your side.  The thing that motivates you to deny God is your love for sin.  Those that love darkness hate the light.  Your pseudointellectualism is sad.  

I have said enough that any reasonable person can understand.  I'm finished discussing the topic on this thread.  

1. Prove to me Televisions don`t create themselves when you pray using the Samsung Instructional Manual?

2.  Just because you can`t see the giant brain at the center of the earth, also the center of the Universe conveniently, doesn`t mean its not there.  Prove that it isn`t.

3.  You lose.  


Romans 3:22  -Thine dick of God shoved down your throat, is still a dick.

[OTHstrong]

So areyou willing to equate an inner state of mind to the concept of existance, which by itself implies in todays terms some sort of sensible accesibility?

Are you saying god is like a state of mind? If so, id agree, god is nothingn but a state of mind.

Oh, and cool move not adressing any of the questions, thats why Its so loveable to afgue with religious fanaticss.

Why add that last remarks, ask anyone on getbig, I swear every 2 seconds, I am far from a religious fanatic, we are discussing what we believe in.

The experience you have with love is an experience that you know but ca not prove to others, so the experience I have with God is something I know but freely admit I could not prove it to you, it`s called faith

[The True Adonis]

If you continue with your childish remarks I will ignore you and thanks for admitting love can not be proven. Actions do not prove love, never could, and never will.

Yes, because you are the gatekeeper of love and only you can interpret what love is or isn`t.  Why should we follow YOUR definition of love?

[The True Adonis]

And the fact that love is both a physical and mental state that registers on a brain scan means what exactly?

Means that it is easily proven and can be repeated over and over and over and over again with the same results.

[OTHstrong]

Yes, because you are the gatekeeper of love and only you can interpret what love is or isn`t.  Why should we follow YOUR definition of love?

I am not defining love TA, why would you say that I am. All I am say is love can not be proven and if it can show me.

[Man of Steel]

Means that it is easily proven.

I assume you mean love is then proven to exist based on the brain scan measure/capture? 

[The True Adonis]

I am not defining love TA, why would you say that I am. All I am say is love can not be proven and if it can show me.

You are defining it when you say it can`t be proven.  You obviously have set some limits to what you think is love and what is not love, although you won`t tell us these limits for some strange reason.  

[The True Adonis]

I assume you mean love is then proven to exist based on the brain scan measure/capture? 

Thats one way for sure.  There are also actions and emotions associated with what one may call love that can be demonstrated over and over again.  Also, love is subjective to each individual as well as objective depending on ones culture, norms and mores and even that can be subjective depending on who you ask.

The point is, whatever one considers love can be demonstrated, physically and mentally rather easily.


I love Pulled Pork Barbecue.  How do I know?  Because its all I think about and sometimes I get a boner while I eat it.

[OTHstrong]

Thats one way for sure.  There are also actions and emotions associated with what one may call love that can be demonstrated over and over again.  Also, love is subjective to each individual as well as objective depending on ones culture, norms and mores and even that can be subjective depending on who you ask.

The point is, whatever one considers love can be demonstrated, physically and mentally rather easily.


I love Pulled Pork Barbecue.  How do I know?  Because its all I think about and sometimes I get a boner while I eat it.

give me an example of a demonstration and i will prove to you that the demonstration does not equal proof

[The True Adonis]

give me an example of a demonstration and i will prove to you that the demonstration does not equal proof

So you admit to having some sort of workable definition of what you think love is?  Otherwise you wouldn`t be able to tell me whether or not my demonstration qualifies.  Correct?

[Psychopath]

Is this the first death you've experienced? I knew a degenerate in my younger days who got shot for robbing cocaine. It took a couple of days for the reality to set in and i teared up a little after seeing his picture in our local newspaper.

That was my first experience of someone i knew dying. Now shit doesn't even phase me and i find myself unaffected by it. My grandmother, neighbour, uncles, and a few other distant acquaintances passed away since then and i must say it's business as usual for me with no resentment meltdowns aimed at an imaginary entity.

[OTHstrong]

So you admit to having some sort of workable definition of what you think love is?  Otherwise you wouldn`t be able to tell me whether or not my demonstration qualifies.  Correct?

Listen bro, any demonstration you give to prove to me you love someone; a complete stranger can also give that demonstration, hence love can not be demonstrated and if love can not be demonstrated it can not be proven. I don`t make the rules, that`s just the way it is period.

[The True Adonis]

Listen bro, any demonstration you give to prove to me you love someone; a complete stranger can also give that demonstration, hence love can not be demonstrated and if love can not be demonstrated it can not be proven. I don`t make the rules, that`s just the way it is period.

Any demonstration I give will go like this.


Me: Here, this proves my love for X

You: No it doesn`t, because thats not what love is.

Me: O`rly?  Can you give some sort of parameters or definition so we can know why you don`t think this experiment was a success and the conclusion reached was therefore insufficient or incorrect?

You: Nope.

Me:   

[OTHstrong]

Any demonstration I give will go like this.


Me: Here, this proves my love for X

You: No it doesn`t, because thats not what love is.

Me: O`rly?  Can you give some sort of parameters or definition so we can know why you don`t think this experiment was a success and the conclusion reached was therefore insufficient or incorrect?

You: Nope.

Me:   

But I can, whatever you demonstrate can be duplicated with 2 others that don`t love each other right.... so if 2 others that don`t love each other can do what you did to prove your love it can`t be counted as sufficient enough proof. Are you that slow that you don`t understand what I am saying

[Man of Steel]

Thats one way for sure.  There are also actions and emotions associated with what one may call love that can be demonstrated over and over again.  Also, love is subjective to each individual as well as objective depending on ones culture, norms and mores and even that can be subjective depending on who you ask.

The point is, whatever one considers love can be demonstrated, physically and mentally rather easily.


I love Pulled Pork Barbecue.  How do I know?  Because its all I think about and sometimes I get a boner while I eat it.

I follow you.

I'm not a philosopher or scientist ("You're not MOS?  I can't believe it!"   ), just noodling here, but considering the brain scan idea measuring a subjective response (ex: love)...does the recorded measure help prove the existance of the response itself, the stimulus or both?

[The True Adonis]

But I can, whatever you demonstrate can be duplicated with 2 others that don`t love each other right.... so if 2 others that don`t love each other can do what you did to prove your love it can`t be counted as sufficient enough proof. Are you that slow that you don`t understand what I am saying

I`ll just repost this because it appears you didn`t see it.

I assume you mean love is then proven to exist based on the brain scan measure/capture?  

Thats one way for sure.  There are also actions and emotions associated with what one may call love that can be demonstrated over and over again.  Also, love is subjective to each individual as well as objective depending on ones culture, norms and mores and even that can be subjective depending on who you ask.

The point is, whatever one considers love can be demonstrated, physically and mentally rather easily.


I love Pulled Pork Barbecue.  How do I know?  Because its all I think about and sometimes I get a boner while I eat it.

[Metabolic]

Can you say a little more about Hegel's god? How seriously have you studied Hegel?

Spanish is my first language so bare with me, it is important in this kind of discussions.


I love the dialectic idea of "god" as a conscience unfurling in constant struggle.  I agree "god" could be all of it, the entire reality, existance, history itself, the mind, however you wanna call it, Id have no trouble with such a concept of a "neutral" god, not a creatinist god or anything like traditional religions or creeds defend (an "ethic god").

I have studied Hegel through Heidegger and Hegelīs political thoughts in Uni and HighSchool, I am not a Hegel scholar but I can defend myself against them, not that I have anything particularly smart to say about him but I know his thought.

[OTHstrong]

I`ll just repost this because it appears you didn`t see it.

Thats one way for sure.  There are also actions and emotions associated with what one may call love that can be demonstrated over and over again.  Also, love is subjective to each individual as well as objective depending on ones culture, norms and mores and even that can be subjective depending on who you ask.

The point is, whatever one considers love can be demonstrated, physically and mentally rather easily.


I love Pulled Pork Barbecue.  How do I know?  Because its all I think about and sometimes I get a boner while I eat it.

whatever one considers love and he-she chooses to demonstrate by a certain action can also be done by someone who doesn`t love so this can not be counted as proof. Don`t forget proof is an absolute, it is non negotiable, it is 100%, not anything short of this and love can not fallinto this category and yes I read your post already. And that brain scan shows a certain feeling, does not show love.

[Metabolic]

Listen bro, any demonstration you give to prove to me you love someone; a complete stranger can also give that demonstration, hence love can not be demonstrated and if love can not be demonstrated it can not be proven. I don`t make the rules, that`s just the way it is period.

Exactly, states of mind cannot be proven to others directly and can hardly be proven undirectly, then again, the same applies to the idea of god, so god cannot proven, hence the best you can say is that "in my mind, much like love, I feel god" which sadly is too little to say or to convince anyone.  

In a traditional religion, a statement like above would be considered heresy, for them god is REAL in all terms, it IS, it even interacted with humans several times according to their scripts (talking to Abraham, for example).  Hence, I find your belief in god completely weak, and in general, the belief in god cannot be rationalized just like many other things.  If you say you believe in god because you like to or because it is practical for you, good for you, I cant rebuttal that, but rationalizing it does not do any good to your faith.

[OTHstrong]

Exactly, states of mind cannot be proven to others directly and can hardly be proven undirectly, then again, the same applies to the idea of god, so god cannot proven, hence the best you can say is that "in my mind, much like love, I feel god" which sadly is too little to say or to convince anyone.  

In a traditional religion, a statement like above would be considered heresy, for them god is REAL in all terms, it IS, it even interacted with humans several times according to their scripts (talking to Abraham, for example).  Hence, I find your belief in god completely weak, and in general, the belief in god cannot be rationalized just like many other things.  If you say you believe in god because you like to or because it is practical for you, good for you, I cant rebuttal that, but rationalizing it does not do any good to your faith.

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