Author Topic: UFC 151 - Cancelled! Machida was offered Jones. Said no. Chael offered Jones  (Read 15209 times)

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Valid points however he does pose enough of a risk to prompt Jackson to call it off.

Jones was also hesitant about facing machida again because the last fight with Lyoto didnt draw as many payperview buys and businessman Jones now wants big pay days.
Well if a loss is what he is worried about because of his image, ducking people or avoiding someone or backing down from a fight where you would be the odds favorite anyway is a harder hit on someones rep and legacy

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Its safe to say that Jones wont be wearing ( or exemplifies ) any Nike's " just do it" attire when he faces Machida next month.

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Well if a loss is what he is worried about because of his image, ducking people or avoiding someone or backing down from a fight where you would be the odds favorite anyway is a harder hit on someones rep and legacy

I dont think he or Jackson foresaw the consequences that would result from him pulling out of the fight. He probably thought they would still hold the card minus him. Bad move. Whatever losses the UFC makes due to the cancellation will be pinned on him obviously.

 Fan and media reaction is going to be nasty,  not only for Jones but also for the Jackson camp.

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Just saw a second ago a commercial on Dishnetwork to order the fight  for $44.95 or $54.99 for HD  ;D

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Chael doesn't deserve a shot at Jones...Not now and maybe not ever. Chael just lost a title shot in a differen't class. It's not fair for Jones to have to go up against a guy who doesn't deserve the shot. Any fighter can lose on any given day. If Jones lost to Chael for not be prepared, it could and most likely will mean millions of dollars lost for him in the long run.

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I dont think he or Jackson foresaw the consequences that would result from him pulling out of the fight. He probably thought they would still hold the card minus him. Bad move. Whatever losses the UFC makes due to the cancellation will be pinned on him obviously.

 Fan and media reaction is going to be nasty,  not only for Jones but also for the Jackson camp.

If Jones keeps winning, none of this will matter to him really. He'll just end up being a hated fighter who no one can beat.

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I dont think he or Jackson foresaw the consequences that would result from him pulling out of the fight. He probably thought they would still hold the card minus him. Bad move. Whatever losses the UFC makes due to the cancellation will be pinned on him obviously.

 Fan and media reaction is going to be nasty,  not only for Jones but also for the Jackson camp.
True, in fact Jones is probably pissed at Jackson right about now. I flipped through a few forums and he (Jones) is taking a lot of abuse, I mean he is getting raped all over the place. This has to effect him right now psychologically.

People are calling him a coward, a whiner, a selfish bitch, a trader, a disgusting person. People hate him, you think he was Bin Laden and I don't feel bad for him at all, he let the whole event down. When people benefit from such an event there is great responsibility. Not good what he did.

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If Jones keeps winning, none of this will matter to him really. He'll just end up being a hated fighter who no one can beat.

Actually it will matter as far as sponsors are concerned.
Would Nike throw their name behind a increasingly despised fighter? Not for long. There's a lot of money riding on how well Jones manages his public image. He just got knocked down a couple of notches.

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If Jones keeps winning, none of this will matter to him really. He'll just end up being a hated fighter who no one can beat.
Your posts are contradicting themselves. You said this would cost him millions if he lost in the long run. Then you said...

He will be just a hated fighter who no one can beat, well you don't think being a hated fighter will cost him millions and millions.

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Actually it will matter as far as sponsors are concerned.
Would Nike throw their name behind a increasingly despised fighter? Not for long. There's a lot of money riding on how well Jones manages his public image. He just got knocked down a couple of notches.

If Dana kicked him out of the UFC and Jones ended up doing side show events and never lost, Jones would be some kind of undefeated anti-hero. The way I see it, as long as he's undefeated, he really holds all the cards.

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Chael doesn't deserve a shot at Jones...Not now and maybe not ever. Chael just lost a title shot in a differen't class. It's not fair for Jones to have to go up against a guy who doesn't deserve the shot. Any fighter can lose on any given day. If Jones lost to Chael for not be prepared, it could and most likely will mean millions of dollars lost for him in the long run.

Chael puts asses in seats and gets large pay per view revenue.

As far as Dana is concerned, Chael is in the top 5 UFC fighters for his fan-draw alone.

Think Brock Lesnar and the effect he had for the UFC.  Chael is a talker like all wwe talent and is exactly what Dana would like to have around the UFC.

That's the main reason why Dana went straight to Chael.  He knows that what the Fertita's want is numbers in order to bring in revenue.  Chael versus Jones would have been a way bigger pay day for the UFC than Henderson vs Jones and Machida vs Jones combined.

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Jones would be some kind of undefeated anti-hero.

Along the lines of a Fedor..

The way I see it, as long as he's undefeated, he really holds all the cards.

Correct.

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Your posts are contradicting themselves. You said this would cost him millions if he lost in the long run. Then you said...

He will be just a hated fighter who no one can beat, well you don't think being a hated fighter will cost him millions and millions.

My point being as long as he's undefeated, people are going to want to watch him fight. But just one loss could really effect his earning potential. So taking a fight on short notice of a guy out of his weight class is a no win for him either way.

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Along the lines of a Fedor..


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Yes Fedor. Except this time, Jones actually fought and beat everyone in his weight class in the UFC.

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hahah machida looks like some weird ethnic kid no one is gonna pay to see this poor guy get beat
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Chael puts asses in seats and gets large pay per view revenue.

As far as Dana is concerned, Chael is in the top 5 UFC fighters for his fan-draw alone.

Think Brock Lesnar and the effect he had for the UFC.  Chael is a talker like all wwe talent and is exactly what Dana would like to have around the UFC.

That's the main reason why Dana went straight to Chael.  He knows that what the Fertita's want is numbers in order to bring in revenue.  Chael versus Jones would have been a way bigger pay day for the UFC than Henderson vs Jones and Machida vs Jones combined.

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Agreed. But if Jones lost to Chael, it could basically be the end of his career. Losing to a guy out of his weight class and who lost twice to Anderson. There is no upside to fighting Chael. The only ones who win are Chael and the UFC. It could be devastating for Jones. And its wrong for White to put Jones in the situation of having to take that fight or be thrown to the media wolves. It's desperation on Whites part. Trying to bully Jones into fighting someone who has nothing to lose and everything to gain who isn't even in his weight class and last minute.

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Did Jones' payday change when the opponent changed?

For example.....$1M to fight Henderson became $100,000 to fight Chael?

If so, why not wait and fight Sonnen for a bigger payday when Chael has had a chance to train and hype the fight?

Just sayin'.......

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Agreed. But if Jones lost to Chael, it could basically be the end of his career. Losing to a guy out of his weight class and who lost twice to Anderson. There is no upside to fighting Chael. The only ones who win are Chael and the UFC. It could be devastating for Jones. And its wrong for White to put Jones in the situation of having to take that fight or be thrown to the media wolves. It's desperation on Whites part. Trying to bully Jones into fighting someone who has nothing to lose and everything to gain who isn't even in his weight class and last minute.
You are out of your mind. The responsibility was there from the beginning. The main event yields big benefits for the main fighter and the  main fighter should be responsible to carry it out. The odds significantly dropped when they gave him an easier opponent, all the bad stuff you spoke of that could result if Jones had lost to Chael would have been there either way with Henderson. There is a risk either way.

You guys think to much of game plan, game plan? Cmon, he wins cause he is bigger, he has more reach, he is in shape, and he is more skillful. Give me 1 fight where Jones has one based on a game plan against his opponent? Utter non-sense, he is a head above the field and he dominant and all of a sudden it's about a game plan against a certain opponent. The few that claim this always go out and fight the exact same way

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Trying to bully Jones into fighting someone who has nothing to lose and everything to gain who isn't even in his weight class and last minute.

Bully Jones? This is what Jones said in an interview in April:

"The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it. I never tell them ‘no.’ I think I’ve had to do more marketing than any other fighter because I say no to absolutely nothing. I don’t think most champs are like that."

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Something is brewing...UFC was to air a special edition of their inisder show at 8pm on Fuel...then it got pushed back to 10pm...now it's set for 1AM. 

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Bully Jones? This is what Jones said in an interview in April:

"The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it. I never tell them ‘no.’ I think I’ve had to do more marketing than any other fighter because I say no to absolutely nothing. I don’t think most champs are like that."
There you have it, this debate is over. He is a coward using a fucken dumb excuse as a cop out and is a liar and a selfish asshole.

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Chael puts asses in seats and gets large pay per view revenue.

As far as Dana is concerned, Chael is in the top 5 UFC fighters for his fan-draw alone.

Think Brock Lesnar and the effect he had for the UFC.  Chael is a talker like all wwe talent and is exactly what Dana would like to have around the UFC.





That's the main reason why Dana went straight to Chael.  He knows that what the Fertita's want is numbers in order to bring in revenue.  Chael versus Jones would have been a way bigger pay day for the UFC than Henderson vs Jones and Machida vs Jones combined.










Totally agree, MMA will be just like wrestling in 10-20 years with the explosions, ring girls, and fancy entrances, except it will be real fighting. Look at wrestling in the 70s when it was in its infant stage, same production you see today in MMA. That's why Dana was on Lestners nuts so bad, come on a title fight after 2 fights?
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Bully Jones? This is what Jones said in an interview in April:

"The UFC asks me to do anything and I always do it. I never tell them ‘no.’ I think I’ve had to do more marketing than any other fighter because I say no to absolutely nothing. I don’t think most champs are like that."
Yep, and Dana thought he was going to say "yes", again....
There you have it, this debate is over. He is a coward using a fucken dumb excuse as a cop out and is a liar and a selfish asshole.
Nope, people always think that the person who says "yes" all the time is a pushover---and that they'll say "yes" the next time, this time it was a "no".

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http://www.ufc.com/news/ufc-151-cancelled-press-release-082312





Las Vegas, Nevada – For the first time in the history of the Ultimate Fighting Championship®, a UFC® champion has refused to face an alternative challenger after an injury to his original opponent, forcing the organization to cancel an event.

After challenger Dan Henderson suffered a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee, UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones refused an alternative opponent, forcing UFC president Dana White to cancel the entire UFC 151 card at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas next Saturday.

On a conference call today, White said Jones refused to fight two-time middleweight title challenger Chael Sonnen, whom he proposed as a replacement for Henderson for the September 1 event.

"This is probably one of my all-time lows as being president of UFC,” White said. “Dan Henderson tried to train, he continued to work out and saw a doctor, but there was nothing we could do to save that fight.

“But Chael Sonnen stepped up accepted the fight with Jon Jones last night. As of 8pm last night, we thought we had a fight fans would love to see. Then at about 9pm the one thing I never thought would happen in a million years happened. Jon Jones said, “I won't fight Chael Sonnen on eight days notice’. That has never happened in the history of the UFC, a guy who is a champion, and a guy who is supposed to be one of the best fighters in the world, pound-for-pound, refuses to fight.

“Chael is just coming up from 185pounds. He said that not only would he face Jones in eight days, he’d jump in a plane to Vegas and fight him that night if he was asked to. Jon Jones said 'I'm not fighting Chael Sonnen with eight days' notice. Jones’s trainer, Greg Jackson, told Jon that taking the fight with Chael would be the biggest mistake of his life. That’s what he told Jon Jones. Let me tell you, this guy (Greg Jackson) is a sport killer.


“When you are a champion, much less one of the guys who is supposed to be one of the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, you are supposed to step up. Jon Jones is a guy a lot of fans don’t like, and I don’t think this is going to make him any more popular. Lorenzo Fertitta (UFC chairman and CEO) and I are disgusted with Jon Jones and Greg Jackson.”

Ticket refunds are available at the point of purchase. Jones will now rematch with karate expert Lyoto Machida in the new main event of UFC 152 in Toronto, Canada.

White explained: “UFC 151 will be remembered as the event Jon Jones and Greg Jackson murdered.”

White said the fall-out for the UFC, its partners, fans and fighters was ‘huge’.

"It’s major, major deal," said White. "We lose a lot of money, money that’s already been spent. We’re eight days out. We’ve spent tons of money on this fight. How long and how far it goes and how bad it hurts I don’t know because it’s the first time we’ve done it.

“One thing that you really have to think about are the fighters on the undercard. Sure, Jon Jones is rich what does he care if he cancels the fight? But 20 other fighters on the card added up to almost a half a million dollars in purse money that Jones and Greg Jackson’s decision stole from them. No champion or headliner in UFC history has ever done that. As difficult as Tito Ortiz could be… even Tito never bailed on a fight.”

“Many people, from fans to PPV distributors, TV networks, sponsors, and more importantly fighters who are working hard to support their families and build their careers are hurt badly by this selfish decision.”

Henderson said: “This is the first time that the champion wouldn't step up and fight, and I was pretty shocked to hear that. It's not like he's injured. It's unbelievable to me that he wouldn't take that 'the show must go on' attitude. If there was any way I could have gone, and any way that I thought I could give myself a chance to compete, I would have done that."

Sonnen said: "I was shocked that he refused to fight me. I had already gone to the gym to train. He had a chance look prove himself a champion, an ultimate fighter, and he didn’t take that chance.”

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Yep, and Dana thought he was going to say "yes", again....Nope, people always think that the person who says "yes" all the time is a pushover---and that they'll say "yes" the next time, this time it was a "no".
Did you not hear Dana he is the first asshole  to fuck the whole UFC card up, the first one at of the whole time UFC has been around, what 1993? 20 fucken years.  The person in the main event are relied upon to carry the responsibility over the whole event that is why no one would say no to a replacement  and everyone knows the replacement would be watered down, in this case Chael who has not been training sense his last fight and is in a lower category, how much more of a win on a silver platter can you give this asshole Jons.

Nice theory there Parker ya everyone always says yes, everyone always opens the doors to someone dying on there doorstep but ya you are right there is always a first time some fucken asshole doesn't.