Phil Heath Exclusive Interview with VNM-TV: Coleman or Yates? GH15??

[Iceman1981]

"I'd say Ronnie Coleman all day, if they competed at their prime it would be done"

Phillip heath - Mr Olympia

That's what I heard ^^^^^^^^^^^^.

Mark down another Mr. Olympia in favor of Ronnie over Dorian.

[Wiggs]

Beyekes skin is too thick and he doesnt come in condition. He receives no further consideration.


Haney is the best. 8x undefeated Mr. O and he beat Yates and Yates never beat him. Haney was clearly a more dominant bodybuilder than Yates or Coleman.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie has also said he is the greatest of all time mannnny times ... ND will not acknowledge that one though....
we have a video of a mr o.... stating it wouldnt even be close ... coleman would blow dorian away...
where are all the supposed quotes ON VIDEO or scans ND keeps coming out with

Not true at all , in fact I've said many times that because he tied Haney for 8 straight and has the most career wins that alone makes him the ' Greatest of all time ' that has absolutely NOTHING to do with if Ronnie would beat Dorian at his best

And what does the " Greatest of all time " have to say about beating Dorian? 

[Wiggs]

Haney has the most O with the least amount of defeats. Statistcally hes the best. Best physique to every grace a stage, 98 or 01 Ronnie but he lost alot early and he lost twice as Mr. O dispite having the most wins.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Beyekes skin is too thick and he doesnt come in condition. He receives no further consideration.


Haney is the best. 8x undefeated Mr. O and he beat Yates and Yates never beat him. Haney was clearly a more dominant bodybuilder than Yates or Coleman.

Haney wasn't more dominant he lost the entire night show to Labrada , Dorian to my knowledge never lost a round . Haney was more dominant than Coleman though

And Yates beat Haney in the muscularity round in his first Olympia , Haney decided to get out when the getting was good.

[Jaime]

Beyekes skin is too thick and he doesnt come in condition. He receives no further consideration.


Haney is the best. 8x undefeated Mr. O and he beat Yates and Yates never beat him. Haney was clearly a more dominant bodybuilder than Yates or Coleman.

Yes, he does have thick skin but Haney ? Haney had tiny arms and legs compared to his torso, funky abs, Beyekes structure is exceptional.

Dorian's best years were 1991 1992 ad 1993 and he looked powerful, strong looking physique great conditioning, Shit biceps and and on the blocky side.

Ronnie's were 1998/1999, great taper and mass, good conditioning, freaky bodyparts, but zero flow and terrible aesthetics.

[Wiggs]

Haney wasn't more dominant he lost the entire night show to Labrada , Dorian to my knowledge never lost a round . Haney was more dominant than Coleman though

And Yates beat Haney in the muscularity round in his first Olympia , Haney decided to get out when the getting was good.

Is a basketball game over after the 2nd quarter? No. It aint over till its over. Thats when the winner and losers are decided...."rounds" lmao. Nice try ND. WINS. vs. LOSSES of shows. Not rounds...hahahaha way spin it Fox.

Haney is the most dominant.

[Jaime]

Is a basketball game over after the 2nd quarter? No. It aint over till its over. Thats when the winner and losers are decided...."rounds" lmao. Nice try ND. WINS. vs. LOSSES of shows. Not rounds...hahahaha way spin it Fox.

Haney is the most dominant.

Haney should have lost to Mad Bertil and Flea Gaspari on a fair few occasions. Don't drop to ND levels of fanboyism Wiggins.

Sergio Oliva was the most dominant, nothing missing.

[Hulkotron]

Maybe the competitor in the back has decided there are more important things in life than having a large, muscular physique.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Is a basketball game over after the 2nd quarter? No. It aint over till its over. Thats when the winner and losers are decided...."rounds" lmao. Nice try ND. WINS. vs. LOSSES of shows. Not rounds...hahahaha way spin it Fox.

Haney is the most dominant.

Basketball is NOT bodybuilding.


Who dominated more? who won their contests with more of a gap between second and first? who won more contests without losing any rounds? Who has a higher win/loss percentage?

Haney entered 16 contests and won 11 , Dorian entered 17 and won 15

Haney win/loss percentage 68.75%
Dorian win/loss percentage 88.23%

Dorian never lost a round to my knowledge , Haney lost two in 1990 and one to Dorian in 1991.

Dorian never placed below second in a pro contest , Haney 3rd

Dorian won more pro shows , Haney won more Olympia titles.

Dorian dominated more than Haney did you can't argue these facts.

[Wiggs]

Haney should have lost to Mad Bertil and Flea Gaspari on a fair few occasions. Don't drop to ND levels of fanboyism Wiggins.

Sergio Oliva was the most dominant, nothing missing.

Sergios conditioning was never consistant. Thats his fatal flaw and that huge.

Sorry bro Im a Haney fan boy and statistically I cant be proven wrong. So the answer to whose better, Ronnie or Dorian is.....Haney.

[Shockwave]

I guess its been a year or so, must be time for another Ronnie Vs Dorian debate...

*slams head into wall*

[NarcissisticDeity]

Haney should have lost to Mad Bertil and Flea Gaspari on a fair few occasions. Don't drop to ND levels of fanboyism Wiggins.

Sergio Oliva was the most dominant, nothing missing.

Hahahahaha fanboyism ? Sergio was the most dominant? lost to Arnold while he was Mr Olympia and lost to Bill Pearl and then lost to Arnold again in 72

And Haney should have lost to Bertil or Gaspari , Labrada maybe those two? HA

[NarcissisticDeity]

I guess its been a year or so, must be time for another Ronnie Vs Dorian debate...

*slams head into wall*

Nah these guys have a new quote that supports their position and think it somehow matters more than what Ronnie said  it's all for shits & giggles anyway

Like Phil Heath said , Ronnie is hugely popular with younger guys like him so of course they are gonna think Ronnie is unbeatable , but Ronnie was very beatable and not anywhere near as dominate as Dorian or Haney

[Jaime]

Hahahahaha fanboyism ? Sergio was the most dominant? lost to Arnold while he was Mr Olympia and lost to Bill Pearl and then lost to Arnold again in 72

And Haney should have lost to Bertil or Gaspari , Labrada maybe those two? HA

Arnold i 72? Hahaha, Everyone says Sergio raped Arnold in that contest. Fixed contests from the schmoe duo, gifts just like Ronnie and Dorian recieved on numerous occasions.

Bertil made Haney look small in 84 and labrada was the only one who was full and sharp in 1990.

Oliva's genetics make Dorian look like an amateur.

[Wiggs]

Nah these guys have a new quote that supports their position and think it somehow matters more than what Ronnie said  it's all for shits & giggles anyway

Like Phil Heath said , Ronnie is hugely popular with younger guys like him so of course they are gonna think Ronnie is unbeatable , but Ronnie was very beatable and not anywhere near as dominate as Dorian or Haney

You have failed to make your point.

8 Mr. Os, undefeated, vs. 6 Mr. Os undefeated AND Haney beat Yates. End of story.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Arnold i 72? Hahaha, Everyone says Sergio raped Arnold in that contest. Fixed contests from the schmoe duo, gifts just like Ronnie and Dorian recieved on numerous occasions.

Bertil made Haney look small in 84 and labrada was the only one who was full and sharp in 1990.

Oliva's genetics make Dorian look like an amateur.

How exactly did Bertil make Haney look small in 1984? especially considering he wasn't in the 84 O. 

wow everyone says Sergio raped Arnold so it must be true 

And would Oliva beat Dorian in a contest?

[Jaime]

Sergios conditioning was never consistant. Thats his fatal flaw and that huge.

Sorry bro Im a Haney fan boy and statistically I cant be proven wrong. So the answer to whose better, Ronnie or Dorian is.....Haney.

Fair enough, different era but correct observation.

And you are 100% right, if you follow Nd's logic then Haney is the best, he did after all make Dorian his son.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You have failed to make your point.

8 Mr. Os, undefeated, vs. 6 Mr. Os undefeated AND Haney beat Yates. End of story.

No I made it perfectly hence why you didn't even bother to respond.

Haney did beat Yates no questions about , Yates took the fight to Haney and actually beat him in the muscularity round something no one ever accomplished up until that point. Dorian's first Olympia 10 pounds lighter than Haney still beat him in one round , Dorian 1993 would have left Haney for dead.

After Haney won the Olympia in 1991 he took the podium and said he just learned how to peak and might be back the next year , after Dorian pushed him he got smart and retired.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Fair enough, different era but correct observation.

And you are 100% right, if you follow Nd's logic then Haney is the best, he did after all make Dorian his son.

In his first Olympia Dorian beat the almighty Haney in the muscularity round despite being down 10 lbs , Dorian issued an open challenge to Haney to compete in the 1993 Olympia and Dorian said he would beat Haney , Haney never accepted smart decision because he would have been soundly defeated . 

[Jaime]

How exactly did Bertil make Haney look small in 1984? especially considering he wasn't in the 84 O. 

wow everyone says Sergio raped Arnold so it must be true 

And would Oliva beat Dorian in a contest?

I got my years confused sorry.

No but mass consensus is as good a way as ay to judge such things.

No, different era's, far different drugs and scoring criteria. All things being equal he would yes.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I got my years confused sorry.

No but mass consensus is as good a way as ay to judge such things.

No, different era's, far different drugs and scoring criteria. All things being equal he would yes.

What year did you think Bertil made Haney look small?

No it isn't because the minority judges contests not the mass consensus

and things would never be equal because Sergio couldn't get 1970s ripped never mind 1990s

[Wiggs]

No I made it perfectly hence why you didn't even bother to respond.

Haney did beat Yates no questions about , Yates took the fight to Haney and actually beat him in the muscularity round something no one ever accomplished up until that point. Dorian's first Olympia 10 pounds lighter than Haney still beat him in one round , Dorian 1993 would have left Haney for dead.

After Haney won the Olympia in 1991 he took the podium and said he just learned how to peak and might be back the next year , after Dorian pushed him he got smart and retired.

Actually you didnt. Losing to Haney pretty much ends it all head to head if they were equal, but Haney has two more Mr. Os and a win against Yates. Haney wins.

All that other stuff, your opinion. We've discussed this before and and ive stated if Haney had came back hed. ,Have upped the dosage. He was 31 when he retired, so much more improving he could have done...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Actually you didnt. Losing to Haney pretty much ends it all head to head if they were equal, but Haney has two more Mr. Os and a win against Yates. Haney wins.

All that other stuff, your opinion. We've discussed this before and and ive stated if Haney had came back hed. ,Have upped the dosage. He was 31 when he retired, so much more improving he could have done...

no actually I did. Haney was not more dominate than Dorian. You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts.

no all that other stuff is proof not opinion. Haney hinted at coming back in 1992 in MY OPINION it's safe to assume that he saw the writing on the wall and seen that Yates would have beat him.

Dorian more dominant than Haney , Haney more dominant than Ronnie.

[Wiggs]

no actually I did. Haney was not more dominate than Dorian. You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts.

no all that other stuff is proof not opinion. Haney hinted at coming back in 1992 in MY OPINION it's safe to assume that he saw the writing on the wall and seen that Yates would have beat him.

Dorian more dominant than Haney , Haney more dominant than Ronnie.

How are champions judged friend? Championships and domination. There is no way youre going to convince anyone other than yourself, that a person with two more titles, and a win against the other competitor head to head, that the person with less titles and the loss head to head is better. I will concede the dominance I thought Haney had a better percentage. But Haneys win over Yates and two more Mr. O ends it.