Phil Heath Exclusive Interview with VNM-TV: Coleman or Yates? GH15??

[Shockwave]

Ill take Tom Brady for the win, Trebeck.

[FitnessFrenzy]

I am currently watching this 22 minute clip.
Phil is more interesting to hear speak than Jay Cutler.

Anyone else agree?

[NarcissisticDeity]

How are champions judged friend? Championships and domination. There is no way youre going to convince anyone other than yourself, that a person with two more titles, and a win against the other competitor head to head, that the person with less titles and the loss head to head is better. I will concede the dominance I thought Haney had a better percentage. But Haneys win over Yates and two more Mr. O ends it.

Your original comment Haney was clearly a more dominant bodybuilder than Yates or Coleman. which was inaccurate and all I was responding to

I'm not arguing that Dorian is better than Haney because he was more dominant. Dorian at his best would beat Ronnie and Haney at their bests

[Jaime]

I am currently watching this 22 minute clip.
Phil is more interesting to hear speak than Jay Cutler.

Anyone else agree?

Rather dubious honor.

[The Scott]

Rather dubious honor.

Agreed. Considering that Cutler is far more articulate than Coleman perhaps this bodes well for bodybuilding. 

[Wiggs]

Your original comment Haney was clearly a more dominant bodybuilder than Yates or Coleman. which was inaccurate and all I was responding to

I'm not arguing that Dorian is better than Haney because he was more dominant. Dorian at his best would beat Ronnie and Haney at their bests

Haney yes,  Coleman no.

[Parker]

On the second page there is the supposed interview where aronnie said Dorian would keep on winning...
I don't think people are really reading what he is saying. He's saying not that Dorian was better, but he would keep on being given the title regardless.

Also, the argument that the 93 Olympia Flex was better than the 98 Flex, diff eras. A 98 Flex with the 93 Arnold's version's  would have won. And I firmly believe that if Flex showed up at the 93 O in the same condition as the 93 Arnold, that it would have been a toss up. 

[OTHstrong]

Agreed. Considering that Cutler is far more articulate than Coleman perhaps this bodes well for bodybuilding. 

What    You don't feel the need to be an asshole today?

[Jaime]

On the second page there is the supposed interview where aronnie said Dorian would keep on winning...
I don't think people are really reading what he is saying. He's saying not that Dorian was better, but he would keep on being given the title regardless.

Also, the argument that the 93 Olympia Flex was better than the 98 Flex, diff eras. A 98 Flex with the 93 Arnold's version's  would have won. And I firmly believe that if Flex showed up at the 93 O in the same condition as the 93 Arnold, that it would have been a toss up. 

Parker, do you know Flex's weights from the AC and O that year?

[The Scott]

What    You don't feel the need to be an asshole today?

"Sigh"... The truth only makes me an "asshole" in your eyes when you disagree with it.   

[OTHstrong]

"Sigh"... The truth only makes me an "asshole" in your eyes when you disagree with it.   

`Everyone knows the truth and no one disagrees with it but no one is losing sleep over it like you

[bigmc]

Yeah and after all these ' debates ' and all this time you just decided to share this with us now  you're full of shit

it was recently dumbo

stop wanking to his pics cock stick

[mesmorph78]

Not true at all , in fact I've said many times that because he tied Haney for 8 straight and has the most career wins that alone makes him the ' Greatest of all time ' that has absolutely NOTHING to do with if Ronnie would beat Dorian at his best

And what does the " Greatest of all time " have to say about beating Dorian? 

it means he is the greatest my o ever...
thats why people call him KING ronnie.....

[NarcissisticDeity]

it means he is the greatest my o ever...
thats why people call him KING ronnie.....

Hahahahahahahaha you're such a fanboy

Dorian was the King long before Ronnie 

[NarcissisticDeity]

it was recently dumbo

stop wanking to his pics cock stick

You're still full of shit hope this helps

[bigmc]

You're still full of shit hope this helps

ok jizz monkey

[Metabolic]

Hahahahahahahaha you're such a fanboy

Dorian was the King long before Ronnie 

Debate aside, you just cannot post this pic of your hero on a king 's garment and call others fanboys...we all ultimately are to the eyes of each other, you fanboy.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Debate aside, you just cannot post this pic of your hero on a king 's garment and call others fanboys...we all ultimately are to the eyes of each other, you fanboy.

ouch that hurt 

[PJim]

Phil's forearms are retarded.

[Metabolic]

ouch that hurt 

Why do you think I was trying to hurt you? I just think its funny and contradictory the way you treat other people's views, stay bitter.

[jprc10]

This has been my completely logical argument this whole time.

1. Let`s take the Olympia judging panel as a standard measurement

2. let`s create a point system in accordance to the standard measurements of the Olympia judging panel

3. Let Ronnie`s 98 represent a 10 on the point system.

4. according to the standard olympia judging panel Flex would then get a 9 cause it was extremely close in 98.

5. According to the Olympia judging panel, they all agree (yes every single judge) that the 93 version of Flex was way better then his 98 version

6. So if he gets a 9 in 98 by the Olympia judging panel according to the standard measurement then what does he get in 93, a 10 at least, logical

7.Now if he gets a 10 according to the Olympia judging panel then what does Yates get considering it wasn`t even close, Yates gets at least a 12 according to the Olympia judges.

8. So my point is according to the Olympia judges 93 Yates beats 98 Coleman, not even close.

I agree Ronnie 1998 at what he said was his best on multiple occasions and what many consider his best Olympia appearance just simply wouldn't pose a threat he just wouldn't

Flex was OFF in 1998 off from his Arnold Classic appearance that year and way off from 1993 when he was tearing up the pro scene and it was close. These idiots claim Ronnie was overlooked in the first round which explains the discrepancy in the score , NOT accurate he was call-out and compared NINE times in the first round , he just wasn't in the first call-out and why would he be?

1993 Dorian was so far and above everyone else they didn't even need to include him in the muscularity round , like Samir Bannout said Dorian was first , second and third. After the contest Flex said Dorian is ' unbeatable '

Fast forward to 1998 and Ronnie at his career best Olympia just barely beats a sub-par Flex by just 3 points in one of the closest contests ever and he's supposed to beat Dorian 1993? it just wouldn't happen and neither would 1999 because all he did was bigger a tad bigger and lost that razor sharp conditioning he had the year before

I'v read this argument before and it makes sense, but here is the thing: was 98 Coleman's best year?

It is true that the 98 Olympia was one of the closest contests (Ronnie winning by only 3 points) and that Dorian dominated the 93 Olympia winning with straight firsts. But the thing is Ronnie also won the 99 Oympia in a dominant fashion with the same straight firsts scoring included.
Also, he won the 99 O competing against almost the same guys as the year before. So what happened? Did his entire competition (mainly Flex) get much worse or did Ronnie actually get better? I think it's safe to say Ronnie got way better (as shown in the scoring) and if any Coleman version ought to be compared to 93 Yates is his 99 version.
Outcome would be a lot closer than you guys think.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'v read this argument before and it makes sense, but here is the thing: was 98 Coleman's best year?

It is true that the 98 Olympia was one of the closest contests (Ronnie winning by only 3 points) and that Dorian dominated the 93 Olympia winning with straight firsts. But the thing is Ronnie also won the 99 Oympia in a dominant fashion with the same straight firsts scoring included.
Also, he won the 99 O competing against almost the same guys as the year before. So what happened? Did his entire competition (mainly Flex) get much worse or did Ronnie actually get better? I think it's safe to say Ronnie got way better (as shown in the scoring) and if any Coleman version ought to be compared to 93 Yates is his 99 version.
Outcome would be a lot closer than you guys think.  

Ronnie's straight firsts are relative to who he was competing with , he got straight firsts in 2000 as well did he get better? NO not compared to 1998 which he himself has said repeatedly was his best Olympia showing among others and why? he was bone dry and rock hard

Ronnie 1999 little bigger not as hard or dry is that really an improvement? I don't think Flex looked as good in 99 as he did in 98 either which explains why Ronnie beat him easily

[Jaime]

I'v read this argument before and it makes sense, but here is the thing: was 98 Coleman's best year?

It is true that the 98 Olympia was one of the closest contests (Ronnie winning by only 3 points) and that Dorian dominated the 93 Olympia winning with straight firsts. But the thing is Ronnie also won the 99 Oympia in a dominant fashion with the same straight firsts scoring included.
Also, he won the 99 O competing against almost the same guys as the year before. So what happened? Did his entire competition (mainly Flex) get much worse or did Ronnie actually get better? I think it's safe to say Ronnie got way better (as shown in the scoring) and if any Coleman version ought to be compared to 93 Yates is his 99 version.
Outcome would be a lot closer than you guys think.  

No, the judging has zero basis. Don't try and apply logic to a completely corrupt judging system that has no criteria, with scoring that contradicts itself.

[jprc10]

Ronnie's straight firsts are relative to who he was competing with , he got straight firsts in 2000 as well did he get better? NO not compared to 1998 which he himself has said repeatedly was his best Olympia showing among others and why? he was bone dry and rock hard

Ronnie 1999 little bigger not as hard or dry is that really an improvement? I don't think Flex looked as good in 99 as he did in 98 either which explains why Ronnie beat him easily

I agree that the scoring is relative to who he was competing against, but the 99 O top 6 was almost the same as in 98. I saw the 2000 Olympia video and they all looked worse, but I don't think there was much difference from 98 to 99 as far as Ronnie's competition is concerned. Flex was almost the same in my opinion, plus the synthol enhanced arms/delts made him look a bit more 'impressive'.
As far as Ronnie, he was a bit less dry in 99, but he was a tad bigger which gave him an overall better look. He compromised one for the other, but the thing is which made him look better for the judges? Why would a bit less dry be better than bigger, improved separation, etc?
I mean, its not like the 2003 vs 98 difference, in which case his conditioning got much worse for size's sake.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I agree that the scoring is relative to who he was competing against, but the 99 O top 6 was almost the same as in 98. I saw the 2000 Olympia video and they all looked worse, but I don't think there was much difference from 98 to 99 as far as Ronnie's competition is concerned. Flex was almost the same in my opinion, plus the synthol enhanced arms/delts made him look a bit more 'impressive'.
As far as Ronnie, he was a bit less dry in 99, but he was a tad bigger which gave him an overall better look. He compromised one for the other, but the thing is which made him look better for the judges? Why would a bit less dry be better than bigger, improved separation, etc?
I mean, its not like the 2003 vs 98 difference, in which case his conditioning got much worse for size's sake.

I disagree I don't think any were almost the same and the difference between Ronnie 98 and 99 conditioning is noticeable not negligible. I have both videos and there is a huge difference Ronnie was on point in 98 not so in 99 tad heavier not as hard or as dry not really an advantage when you're competing with someone who is just as heavy and with much better conditioning.