The great kigs scam - everything was a lie

[pellius]

Pellius you are rihgt we had a agreement but this is something that is not that big of a deal. Yes you did tell me you got busted. yes you aso said you couldn't get in a vial of test. You said everything would get seized. You aso said the kigs you received were good and you planned on getting more wich blew me away due to the complaints.

Then I saw you complain about some of the vials you received and wanted a re-shipment. nothing wrong with that but at first you said they were good and changed you mind. I guess not every vial was good. But initially you said you liked them and were going to order more of them.that is all I am trying to say. you have to agree you said this.I dont care anymore I just hope you spend your money more wisely. fuck the kigs. You jumped on a bad bandwaggon! that is all I will say we did have agreement.

WW, I've never had a problem personally with you. I've always kept out of your beef with gh15. I've always found you helpful and have been to me and to others in the past. We had a fundamental disagreement on the way is this board is run pertaining to posts being merged and deleted. You're the mod here so you had the final say. There was nothing I could do about but again I didn't take it personally. So please, in all sincerity, I want to ask you, "What is wrong with you?" Even though we had a mutual agreement to keep the PMs between us private, something that YOU specifically asked for and I agreed, an agreement that I had always kept and still do but you did not, and you felt it necessary to bring one out in the open and attributed to me something that I had said to you in which I had denied saying.

Checking back through the old PMs I realized that I did say that and you were right and I was wrong. I made a post here in this thread regarding that. Again you came back, completely ignoring my admission that I was wrong and reiterated the charge. Again, I admitted that I was wrong and reposted the post in which I said so. Now here again you keep coming back with the same charge.

Yes, I did tell you initially the kigs were good. I had just got them and said that I had planned to get more and I bought into all the hype. After a couple weeks on them I was beginning to suspect something was wrong. I gave samples to those that are far more experience in these matters than I am and they confirmed my suspicion that some vials were good and some were bad. A clever ruse to fool the less experience.

So I  once again state here plainly and openly, for the third time, that I did tell you the kigs were good and I had plans to order more, but, yes, I did changed my mind. Upon further evidence where I realized they were no good. I never ordered more.

I really, really don't know what else I can say. You were right and I was wrong. What more can I say?

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Well, you obviously can't answer that but maybe others can. I've been away for a while and perhaps have missed the slow and steady mental degradation that has happened to many here over time like with Falcon and Basile. So please, if anybody can tell me what is wrong with White Widow and am I missing anything?

[bigmc]

why not throw that post up on g h 1 5s board pellius

as he has started the kigs hype again

[Twaddle]

WW, I've never had a problem personally with you. I've always kept out of your beef with gh15. I've always found you helpful and have been to me and to others in the past. We had a fundamental disagreement on the way is this board is run pertaining to posts being merged and deleted. You're the mod here so you had the final say. There was nothing I could do about but again I didn't take it personally. So please, in all sincerity, I want to ask you, "What is wrong with you?" Even though we had a mutual agreement to keep the PMs between us private, something that YOU specifically asked for and I agreed, an agreement that I had always kept and still do but you did not, and you felt it necessary to bring one out in the open and attributed to me something that I had said to you in which I had denied saying.

Checking back through the old PMs I realized that I did say that and you were right and I was wrong. I made a post here in this thread regarding that. Again you came back, completely ignoring my admission that I was wrong and reiterated the charge. Again, I admitted that I was wrong and reposted the post in which I said so. Now here again you keep coming back with the same charge.

Yes, I did tell you initially the kigs were good. I had just got them and said that I had planned to get more and I bought into all the hype. After a couple weeks on them I was beginning to suspect something was wrong. I gave samples to those that are far more experience in these matters than I am and they confirmed my suspicion that some vials were good and some were bad. A clever ruse to fool the less experience.

So I  once again state here plainly and openly, for the third time, that I did tell you the kigs were good and I had plans to order more, but, yes, I did changed my mind. Upon further evidence where I realized they were no good. I never ordered more.

I really, really don't know what else I can say. You were right and I was wrong. What more can I say?

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Well, you obviously can't answer that but maybe others can. I've been away for a while and perhaps have missed the slow and steady mental degradation that has happened to many here over time like with Falcon and Basile. So please, if anybody can tell me what is wrong with White Widow and am I missing anything?

Soooooooooooo, let me get this straight.  You guys are verifying the validity of the kigs you were receiving by how each other felt?   

[pellius]

Pellius you are rihgt we had a agreement but this is something that is not that big of a deal. Yes you did tell me you got busted. yes you aso said you couldn't get in a vial of test. You said everything would get seized. You aso said the kigs you received were good and you planned on getting more wich blew me away due to the complaints.

Then I saw you complain about some of the vials you received and wanted a re-shipment. nothing wrong with that but at first you said they were good and changed you mind. I guess not every vial was good. But initially you said you liked them and were going to order more of them.that is all I am trying to say. you have to agree you said this.I dont care anymore I just hope you spend your money more wisely. fuck the kigs. You jumped on a bad bandwaggon! that is all I will say we did have agreement.

One more thing, I do consider keeping one's word a big deal. Obviously you do not and state here so plainly. Let that be a lesson to all of you when evaluating this person's character and the trust you put in him as a Mod and human being.

[pellius]

from b:

what do you mean made up? I have the actual pm's copied over from email. I suppose I should have seen that coming, but wow bravo to you. im over it now, you can think what you want but your just going to be more of a fool when the truth comes out. I still want to see the good in you, I hope that the truth comes out soon enough for me to.

An actual email that you just copied and pasted, eh? Well, by the look and format of that PM it's obvious a reply to a concern you had that I would not keep my mouth shut about kigs. Please post your PM to gh15 about that concern prompting him to reassure you that I will keep my mouth shut and do what I was told. And if you had any concerns why didn't you just PM me directly. You know I had the utmost respect, and even some admiration, for you and would have done, or not done, pretty much anything you wish to assist you as I considered you a huge asset to the board and the members and had stated so many times.

[pellius]

Soooooooooooo, let me get this straight.  You guys are verifying the validity of the kigs you were receiving by how each other felt?   

Yes, except I would change "you guys" to simply "you are" meaning simply "me." By your question I assume you find it strange to seek the opinion of others who are far more experience in matters whether it be hgh or anything else in life.

Just a trivial example that just happens to be apropo to this point. I've never been to Jamba juice. Just not my thing. A friend of mine goes there all the time. So I was with him and he insisted we go there. Fine. Anyway, I taste my whatever it was I bought and it tasted kind of funny to me, a bit sour. So I ask him to taste it and tell me if that's how it suppose to be. That it tasted kind of odd to me.

Does this seem odd to you? Getting the opinion of someone who is more experience than you? Say some orders some testosterone, a product he's never used, and gives it to his friend who has been using test for years. His friend finds that even after a high dose he feels nothing. In fact, it seems that his sex drive has actually gone down. He tells his friend that from his experience in the past the test is bunk.

Does that strike you as odd and merits a sad face emoticon?

[Van_Bilderass]

If there was a decent search function on this forum I'd find a few posts of yours where you
address gh15 as "jason". Sounds completely foreign to you?

"Jason Cutler" LOL

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=371534.0

[Twaddle]

Yes, except I would change "you guys" to simply "you are" meaning simply "me." By your question I assume you find it strange to seek the opinion of others who are far more experience in matters whether it be hgh or anything else in life.

Just a trivial example that just happens to be apropo to this point. I've never been to Jamba juice. Just not my thing. A friend of mine goes there all the time. So I was with him and he insisted we go there. Fine. Anyway, I taste my whatever it was I bought and it tasted kind of funny to me, a bit sour. So I ask him to taste it and tell me if that's how it suppose to be. That it tasted kind of odd to me.

Does this seem odd to you?

Yes, this seems very odd to me.  You dropped a good chunk of change on illegal drugs because somebody told you they were good?  Why not just go to a doctor and get the real thing?  You really have no idea what you're shooting into your veins.  It could be baby oil for all you know.  When will you be placing your next order?  

[CalvinH]

Yes, except I would change "you guys" to simply "you are" meaning simply "me." By your question I assume you find it strange to seek the opinion of others who are far more experience in matters whether it be hgh or anything else in life.

Just a trivial example that just happens to be apropo to this point. I've never been to Jamba juice. Just not my thing. A friend of mine goes there all the time. So I was with him and he insisted we go there. Fine. Anyway, I taste my whatever it was I bought and it tasted kind of funny to me, a bit sour. So I ask him to taste it and tell me if that's how it suppose to be. That it tasted kind of odd to me.

Does this seem odd to you? Getting the opinion of someone who is more experience than you? Say some orders some testosterone, a product he's never used, and gives it to his friend who has been using test for years. His friend finds that even after a high dose he feels nothing. In fact, it seems that his sex drive has actually gone down. He tells his friend that from his experience in the past the test is bunk.

Does that strike you as odd and merits a sad face emoticon?

Hey you old goat,you're back


...I see you still like to write novels for a for a post

[bigmc]

Re: KIGTROPIN HP TEST.

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Quote from: indiasfinest on July 25, 2012, 11:27:38 PM

Wow.  Looking at this thread makes me really anxious to order these new kigs.  Gh15 is there a possibility us non-Wizards can order?  I'm just a 21 year old kid that's been scammed by fake gh in the past (Kamikaze took $500+ from me of my hard earned money from minimum wage job), but I would love to try these new kigs.




When I hear stories like this it just makes me so furious! Honest hard working fellas that are not rich but just want to improve themselves and willing to sacrifice what they can scrape together only to be cheated  by some low life thousand of miles a way.

$500 is a lot of money to most people and that Chinese fucker is bragging to me about getting his kitchen remodeled.



palius ,,ENOUGH ISENOUGH!

ARE YOU BLIND? DONT YOU SEE PROSOURCE ONLY SENT LEGIT KIGS? WE JUST HAD HP TEST !

I ASK YOU TO STOP THIS

I TOOK ANOTER VIAL OFKIGTROPIN TONIGHT ...YES IMBACK TO GYM FULL FORCE THE ZMAX DID ITS THIING IM HEALED ...

AND AGAIN VIAL ISLEGIT ...I LOOK RIGHT NOW VERY CLOSE TO WHHATI DID 6 DAYS AGO....I HAVENT TRAINED 5 DAYS ... TONIGHT WAS FIRST TIME AND I LOOK FREAKY NOW ..THIS IS ON DAMN ANTI BIOTIC!

B IS GETTING A JEDI FOR HIIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO BODYBUILDING

gh15 approved

[bigmc]

gh15
SUPERNOVA

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the chase for legit kigtropin

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2 kigtropin kits are on the way to be tested by me,,
1 igtropin igf is on the way to be tested by me,,

ABOLITLY NOT CONECTED TO IP!

2 DIFF SUPPLIERS,, ONE LIKE 007..REAL LIFE...HE LOOK LIKE SOMEONE THAT TAKES LEGIT KIG DOES
ONE IS MAJOR FDA GH SUPPLIER THAT WOULDNT RISK HIS REPUTATION

its coming my friends we are in the zone,,
im going to bring LEGIT KIGTROPIN NO MATTER WHAT


if i approve it there will be no more buy all you cabn cause gh15 said so,,,there will be selected few i approve to try it...when they give green light..if they do...it will be available for all,,again there will be stages here....no more 1k orders to ip getting scammed,,

gh15 approved

[Twaddle]

ONE LIKE 007..REAL LIFE...HE LOOK LIKE SOMEONE THAT TAKES LEGIT KIG DOES
ONE IS MAJOR FDA GH SUPPLIER THAT WOULDNT RISK HIS REPUTATION
GH15 approved

He looks like someone that takes legit kig?  Damn, I guess it must be the real deal then?  Hahahahahahahahhaha

[pellius]

Hey you old goat,you're back


...I see you still like to write novels for a for a post

Start pumping up, homey. I'm going to resurrect that picture thread.

[pellius]

Yes, this seems very odd to me.  You dropped a good chunk of change on illegal drugs because somebody told you they were good?  Why not just go to a doctor and get the real thing?  You really have no idea what you're shooting into your veins.  It could be baby oil for all you know.  When will you be placing your next order?  

Well, me and thousands of others. Guess we have a different perspective. But I tell you what, I won't worry about what you do and you don't worry about what I do. Deal?

[deceiver]

Can someone please sum up what the fuck happened here and over at gh15?

[Twaddle]

Well, me and thousands of others. Guess we have a different perspective. But I tell you what, I won't worry about what you do and you don't worry about what I do. Deal?

No deal, I do worry about you.  I hate to see elderly people get taken advatage of.  Besides, you live in HI, shouldn't you be out riding a wave, chasing pussy, eating some pig, poi, spam, etc?  Why are you moderating a message board when you could be partying?  

[Twaddle]

Can someone please sum up what the fuck happened here and over at gh15?

There used to be a drug dealer on this board named GH15.  He started his own board, and took a few kids and suckers with him.  They now have a cult where they look for true "kig".  GH15 is repeatidly taking them for the proverbial ride by emptying their pockets, and giving them snake oil instead.  When the users realized they had been taken, he put the blame on somebody else, and said that he'd been taken as well.  Now, he's lining up all the suckers for another ride as we speak.

Oh, all his proceeds go to poor hungry dogs as well.  That's about it.   

[pellius]

Re: KIGTROPIN HP TEST.

« Reply #180 on: Today at 05:15:29 AM »

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Quote from: indiasfinest on July 25, 2012, 11:27:38 PM

Wow.  Looking at this thread makes me really anxious to order these new kigs.  Gh15 is there a possibility us non-Wizards can order?  I'm just a 21 year old kid that's been scammed by fake gh in the past (Kamikaze took $500+ from me of my hard earned money from minimum wage job), but I would love to try these new kigs.




When I hear stories like this it just makes me so furious! Honest hard working fellas that are not rich but just want to improve themselves and willing to sacrifice what they can scrape together only to be cheated  by some low life thousand of miles a way.

$500 is a lot of money to most people and that Chinese fucker is bragging to me about getting his kitchen remodeled.



palius ,,ENOUGH ISENOUGH!

ARE YOU BLIND? DONT YOU SEE PROSOURCE ONLY SENT LEGIT KIGS? WE JUST HAD HP TEST !

I ASK YOU TO STOP THIS

I TOOK ANOTER VIAL OFKIGTROPIN TONIGHT ...YES IMBACK TO GYM FULL FORCE THE ZMAX DID ITS THIING IM HEALED ...

AND AGAIN VIAL ISLEGIT ...I LOOK RIGHT NOW VERY CLOSE TO WHHATI DID 6 DAYS AGO....I HAVENT TRAINED 5 DAYS ... TONIGHT WAS FIRST TIME AND I LOOK FREAKY NOW ..THIS IS ON DAMN ANTI BIOTIC!

B IS GETTING A JEDI FOR HIIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO BODYBUILDING

gh15 approved

Very, very selective quoting, my friend. You even left in the space where you deleted the rest of the posts. This was made at the time when -b- first brought on Prosource and they were getting rave reviews, not just by gh15, but by others I trust 100%. It just so happens gh15 and myself were talking about two different issues. When I pointed that out he also was man enough to admit he misspoke. Here is the entire post and especially note the last one by gh15.

bigmc, you are a dishonest man. You pick and choose to promote your agenda. I have proven time and again, even in this very thread, that if I am proven wrong I will admit it.

Wow.  Looking at this thread makes me really anxious to order these new kigs.  Gh15 is there a possibility us non-Wizards can order?  I'm just a 21 year old kid that's been scammed by fake gh in the past (Kamikaze took $500+ from me of my hard earned money from minimum wage job), but I would love to try these new kigs.

When I hear stories like this it just makes me so furious! Honest hard working fellas that are not rich but just want to improve themselves and willing to sacrifice what they can scrape together only to be cheated  by some low life thousand of miles a way.

$500 is a lot of money to most people and that Chinese fucker is bragging to me about getting his kitchen remodeled.

palius ,,ENOUGH ISENOUGH!

ARE YOU BLIND? DONT YOU SEE PROSOURCE ONLY SENT LEGIT KIGS? WE JUST HAD HP TEST !

I ASK YOU TO STOP THIS

I TOOK ANOTER VIAL OFKIGTROPIN TONIGHT ...YES IMBACK TO GYM FULL FORCE THE ZMAX DID ITS THIING IM HEALED ...

AND AGAIN VIAL ISLEGIT ...I LOOK RIGHT NOW VERY CLOSE TO WHHATI DID 6 DAYS AGO....I HAVENT TRAINED 5 DAYS ... TONIGHT WAS FIRST TIME AND I LOOK FREAKY NOW ..THIS IS ON DAMN ANTI BIOTIC!

B IS GETTING A JEDI FOR HIIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO BODYBUILDING

gh15 approved

What are you talking about??? I made no mention of prosource or even kigtropin! I was referring to guys getting ripped off. Doesn't matter by whom. He's an average working guy who lost $500. That's a lot of money to most people. That's what makes me mad. Guys getting ripped off. I thought that was one of the purposes of this board. To protect the little guy. How can you miss such an obvious point? You've become so defensive of prosource. If it's not a glowing endorsement then you see it as a criticism.

My post had nothing to do with prosource!!! Nothing!!! Do the kid a favor and give him access to those magic kigs. Maybe it will make up for his loss.

This whole kigtropin saga is turning people in loonateeks!

lolmy bad  its too much mucus that got to my brain...stillneed to spit it out lol

[pellius]

There used to be a drug dealer on this board named GH15.  He started his own board, and took a few kids and suckers with him.  They now have a cult where they look for true "kig".  GH15 is repeatidly taking them for the proverbial ride by emptying their pockets, and giving them snake oil instead.  When the users realized they had been taken, he put the blame on somebody else, and said that he'd been taken as well.  Now, he's lining up all the suckers for another ride as we speak.

Oh, all his proceeds go to poor hungry dogs as well.  That's about it.   

Can you name and prove to me a single person that bought drugs or anything from gh15?

And instead of worry about me, someone you've never met or will ever meet and don't seem to particularly like, why don't you ride waves, chase pussy and party?

[Twaddle]

Can you name and prove to me a single person that bought drugs or anything from gh15?

And instead of worry about me, someone you've never met or will ever meet and don't seem to particularly like, why don't you ride waves, chase pussy and party?

Calm down leatherface, i'm just turning your screws.  It's ok, the truth hurts sometimes.   

[chaos]

If there was a decent search function on this forum I'd find a few posts of yours where you
address gh15 as "jason". Sounds completely foreign to you?

I'm sure I've called him alot of names, you going to search for those too?


Btw, nice to see that they've sent two formerly respected getbiggers back to defend gh15's good name.

LMFAO!!!!

[njflex]

I'm sure I've called him alot of names, you going to search for those too?


Btw, nice to see that they've sent two formerly respected getbiggers back to defend gh15's good name.

LMFAO!!!!

for what????means nothing here ,,,we've moved on .

[pellius]

for what????means nothing here ,,,we've moved on .

Apparently not he's still very much a hot topic here. How many more threads has bigmc started about gh15 and who gives him these daily reports on what goes on his board?

[chaos]

Apparently not he's still very much a hot topic here. How many more threads has bigmc started about gh15 and who gives him these daily reports on what goes on his board?

Isn't your master going to get mad you've run off his leash again?

[pellius]

Isn't your master going to get mad you've run off his leash again?

I've know you a long time and we've gone back and forth over the years and I know you are a good man and a fair man. I've answered you questions as best I can regarding the bounties and price on people's head and why people are targeted and anything else you ask. And if there is anything you want me to elaborate on or continue to explain for you I will do it. And though you may think I don't have all my marbles you also know I have a good heart and want to do the right thing. Explain this to me.

One of things we are trying to establish is credibility. Whose is lying, -b- of gh15? Now I have posted proof that -b- just made up that PM about me. About gh15 saying I will keep quiet and do what I am told. He said that in hopes that I will turn against gh15 because he knows a lot of people have faith in my honor and believe I always try to do what is right and good in this world. I KNOW -b- just made up that PM. Listen to the way gh15 talks to me. Do I sound like someone who blindly tows the company line and just follows his every direction? You know by your post that he didn't like it when he found out I posted on this board. And didn't like it when I posted on -b-'s board trying to find out for myself the truth. He doesn't know what to do with me and like the black sheep of mods he just hopes with age I become less involved so he doesn't have to ban me and start more controversy. -b- just made up this PM to make gh15 look bad and get me to turn against him. HE IS A LIAR! I'm 100% sure of it now. I had a trivial role in the Prosource affair and there would be no reason for -b- to be concerned about me that he needs me to shut up. Plus, he knows that if he contacted me directly to assist him in any way, or just stay out of the way, I would have done so with pleasure. I believed in him and believe he was trying to help all of us on ripped.com.

Read that short PM. Notice he has gh15 refers to me as "Pellius". Never ever has gh15 called me "Pellius". It's always "Palius". bigmc's gh15 spy can check this and go through every post gh15 has made and never will he find gh15 calling me "Pellius". It's kind of ironic how gh15 writes like a retard so that you can't tell who he really is but his retard writing is one of the ways we can tell it's gh15.

-b- IS A LIAR! a crook and a scambag filt. And with b-boy supporting him and supporting other scambag filt operations he's just as bad. But it doesn't matter with those with an agenda. It doesn't matter that I here right now expose -b- as a crook who has stolen from honest hard working people and even made some sick and according to WhiteWidow some have even been taken to the hospital from taking his poison. We have the initial result from the testing done on the latest batch of Prosource kigs and not only did it turn up with zero hgh but was shown to contain a fast acting insulin. Imagine  those taking high dose of this product thinking it was hgh and then going to sleep with all that insulin in their system?

But it doesn't matter. gh15 will always be the bad guy. No matter how much proof we have showing who the true crooks and criminals are it's not about seeking the truth and doing what is right. It's just expressing your hatred and trying to  undermine someone you simply don't like.
So explain this to me: I offer to answer any and all questions and mostly what I get is the typical stone throwing which is what I expect from this site. But I also show you in black and white and prove to you that -b- is a liar. Why doesn't this matter? Forget your hatred of gh15 for a moment and focus on someone who brought in an operation that lied, cheated and stole from honest hard working people. You might not agree with what they are doing. Bodybuilders using PED to improve themselves. To be a little bit different from the crowd. They want to stand out for whatever reason that only Uberman can explain. But they aren't hurting anyone and willing to sacrifice and save and engage in an honest transaction and don't deserved to be cheated. Why doesn't this matter? -b- is a liar, a crook and a thief and causes harm to other people. But it just seems to be ignored here.

It should matter.  

That's right. MELTDOWN. Sometimes you have to meltdown. When people are getting robbed and poisoned you should have a meltdown.