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« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2012, 12:38:54 PM »

WRONG!

check what Bolt was eating per-race

p.s. he eats like that all the time
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« Reply #51 on: September 04, 2012, 12:43:45 PM »

WRONG!

check what Bolt was eating per-race

p.s. he eats like that all the time

you're implying there's something wrong with mcnuggets... hasn't adonis taught you anything Huh
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« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2012, 12:44:50 PM »

WRONG!

check what Bolt was eating per-race

p.s. he eats like that all the time

Did you miss the part where I said "genetics" and or drugs?  Jesus fucking christ there are some fucking morons on this website.  Usain Bolt is a genetica anomaly, a fucking outlier.  Understand the meaning?  You can train all day long and eat whatever the fuck you want........you'll never look like Ronnie Coleman with or without drugs and without his genetics.  So because of that we should all just downplayt he importance of nutrition?  Think dude!!!!!!!!!!!   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2012, 12:46:21 PM »

you're implying there's something wrong with mcnuggets... hasn't adonis taught you anything Huh

i knew about this long before i ever heard about adullius

AJ talked about this back in the early 70s, before most of us were even born
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« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2012, 12:52:29 PM »

Did you miss the part where I said "genetics" and or drugs?  Jesus fucking christ there are some fucking morons on this website.  Usain Bolt is a genetica anomaly, a fucking outlier.  Understand the meaning?  You can train all day long and eat whatever the fuck you want........you'll never look like Ronnie Coleman with or without drugs and without his genetics.  So because of that we should all just downplayt he importance of nutrition?  Think dude!!!!!!!!!!!   Roll Eyes

genetics don't play so much of a role when it comes to bodyfat and leaness

i've been 154 @ sub-6 for months on end, and i've also been around 190 @ over-20% for over 3 years

so guess why i was so lean at one point and such a fat toad at the other point?

i'll help you out here... it was because i under-ate and trained hard and consistently when i was ripped, and i over-ate and don't train when i was a fat toad

gentics had fuck all to do with it
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« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2012, 01:01:02 PM »

i knew about this long before i ever heard about adullius

AJ talked about this back in the early 70s, before most of us were even born

then why you still h8in on bolts diet, bro Huh
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« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2012, 01:03:39 PM »

genetics don't play so much of a role when it comes to bodyfat and leaness

i've been 154 @ sub-6 for months on end, and i've also been around 190 @ over-20% for over 3 years

so guess why i was so lean at one point and such a fat toad at the other point?

i'll help you out here... it was because i under-ate and trained hard and consistently when i was ripped, and i over-ate and don't train when i was a fat toad

gentics had fuck all to do with it



LOL My god you're a fucking retard.  Genetics PLAYS a huge role in metabolism, physiology, etc.  To discount genetics makes you sound like an utter idiot.   And I highly  doubt you've EVER fucking been sub 6.  I mean do you think everyone on this board is a fucking clueless teenager like you must be?  Sub 6?  LOL yeah right I'd love to see a picture of that. 
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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2012, 01:15:04 PM »


LOL My god you're a fucking retard.  Genetics PLAYS a huge role in metabolism, physiology, etc.  To discount genetics makes you sound like an utter idiot.   And I highly  doubt you've EVER fucking been sub 6.  I mean do you think everyone on this board is a fucking clueless teenager like you must be?  Sub 6?  LOL yeah right I'd love to see a picture of that. 

i never said that genetics don't play any role dumbass, i said that their role isn't so big with regards to bodyfat and leaness

and here's a few pics of me at sub-6, so let's see some of your pics shit-fer-brains


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« Reply #58 on: September 04, 2012, 01:15:54 PM »

then why you still h8in on bolts diet, bro Huh

i'm not man, i'm just making a point that "diet" means fuck all Grin
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« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2012, 07:40:56 PM »

Yeah, that's the IF diet that has caught on as of late which is called lean gains. Apperantly there's quite a few health benefits that the fasted state provides. I haven't looked into them but I think Necrosis has posted some studies on the nutrition board and I'm sure the leangains guy has posted some on his website also.

So with that leangains IF diet you train 3 days a week and eat 20% above maintenance during those days. The other 4 days you're eating 20% under maintenance. So yeah... you have maybe two or three meals during the 8 hour feeding period and then you begin your 16 hour fast.

I posted a link if you wanna look into that.

This is somewhat different to what I understand a true IF diet to be.

You need to run a calorie deficit to lose weight, so eating the same calories as you do now but fasting in the middle is rather pointless.

Using an intermittent fast as a means to creating a calorie deficit makes more sense. Keep your diet as it is in general terms. Finish your dinner at 7pm one day and then fast till dinner at 7pm the next day. Just eat a normal meal when you break the fast.

It is a lot easier than carrying around plastic tubs of diet food all over the place if you have a busy lifestyle. You  don't eat rabbit food 6-7 days of the week.

Bottom line - it's just another way to create a calorie deficit.
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« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2012, 11:28:27 PM »

i knew about this long before i ever heard about adullius

AJ talked about this back in the early 70s, before most of us were even born
Whose AJ?
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« Reply #61 on: September 05, 2012, 03:28:54 AM »

Whose AJ?

Arthur Jones

i'll find his article on "diet" and post up a link here a bit later brother
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« Reply #62 on: September 05, 2012, 04:02:41 AM »

here's one of his writings regarding "diet"

http://www.arthurjonesexercise.com/Bulletin2/5.PDF

in this article he doesn't get to detailed but basically he was saying what adullis said but over 40 years ago was when he said it
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« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2012, 01:37:30 PM »

here's one of his writings regarding "diet"

http://www.arthurjonesexercise.com/Bulletin2/5.PDF

in this article he doesn't get to detailed but basically he was saying what adullis said but over 40 years ago was when he said it

Are you saying that TA plagerized AJ?   Shocked
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« Reply #64 on: September 05, 2012, 01:41:28 PM »

i never said that genetics don't play any role dumbass, i said that their role isn't so big with regards to bodyfat and leaness

and here's a few pics of me at sub-6, so let's see some of your pics shit-fer-brains

Haha you really have no fucking clue what sub 6% bodyfat is do you?  That is not it!!!!!!!!  You're well over 10% in that picture!  Nice try!
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« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2012, 02:19:40 PM »

yes there is a pretty much consensus bbuilder contest diet.

when you get to 5percent or less bodyfat once in your lifetime, youll know there isnt much magic involved and no room for trying out new stuff.

youll know when you get there once, this is the best description i can give to you.

i been there repeatedly and im not telling anyone onmore how to do it, everyone has to find out for themselves.

good luck reading all the books, it will help you fuck all.



Damn you, galeniko. When will it be mine turn for 5%?!

I ran tren at 700/week for 4 months with diet and cardio and still couldn't get below 8%. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I'm just gonna blame genetics, or up the dose next time.
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« Reply #66 on: September 05, 2012, 03:08:23 PM »

This is somewhat different to what I understand a true IF diet to be.

You need to run a calorie deficit to lose weight, so eating the same calories as you do now but fasting in the middle is rather pointless.

Using an intermittent fast as a means to creating a calorie deficit makes more sense. Keep your diet as it is in general terms. Finish your dinner at 7pm one day and then fast till dinner at 7pm the next day. Just eat a normal meal when you break the fast.

It is a lot easier than carrying around plastic tubs of diet food all over the place if you have a busy lifestyle. You  don't eat rabbit food 6-7 days of the week.

Bottom line - it's just another way to create a calorie deficit.

Yeah, that leangains program is aimed to do just that....grow lean muscle and lose fat at the same time. Caloric deficit for 4 days and than a surplus for another 3. I don't think it's as easy as the guy makes it seem...turning on fat burning and muscle building just has to be a more complex process that can be simply manipulated by increasing and decreasing calories on a daily basis.

Regardless it still is an intermittent fast type of diet since you do fast for a period on a daily basis.  
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« Reply #67 on: September 05, 2012, 03:14:43 PM »

I think fasting and intermittent fasting is going to radically change the health and fitness of millions of people. But I've gotten swept up in fads before. Whats the group consensus, same old same old, or are we in for a massive sea change?
Fasting was in the old testament. Not suppose to eat or drink on Sundays. 
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« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2012, 04:08:12 PM »

Haha you really have no fucking clue what sub 6% bodyfat is do you?  That is not it!!!!!!!!  You're well over 10% in that picture!  Nice try!

Was thinking same thing when I saw that pic.   Not sub 6% but perhaps 9-10%.   I've seen people who are sub 6%, and it's an entirely different look to the body.
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« Reply #69 on: September 05, 2012, 04:23:18 PM »

Was thinking same thing when I saw that pic.   Not sub 6% but perhaps 9-10%.   I've seen people who are sub 6%, and it's an entirely different look to the body.

Some people look better/worse in photos. I don't know this guy but he looks like one of those guys who would look much more impressive in person. sub 6? no way. But I wouldn't rule at a legit 8.
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« Reply #70 on: September 05, 2012, 04:34:32 PM »

Haha you really have no fucking clue what sub 6% bodyfat is do you?  That is not it!!!!!!!!  You're well over 10% in that picture!  Nice try!

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« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2012, 04:42:44 PM »

Some people look better/worse in photos. I don't know this guy but he looks like one of those guys who would look much more impressive in person. sub 6? no way. But I wouldn't rule at a legit 8.

i'm curious, what makes you think that i'm over 8% there?

is it coz i'm not vascular with veins popping out everywhere? p.s. i thank god that i'm not the vascular typer, coz i fucking hate that look, as do females

my ab skinfold measured 4.5 and my pec skinfold was 3.5, do you know how thin skinned that is?


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« Reply #72 on: September 05, 2012, 08:16:08 PM »

i'm curious, what makes you think that i'm over 8% there?

is it coz i'm not vascular with veins popping out everywhere? p.s. i thank god that i'm not the vascular typer, coz i fucking hate that look, as do females

my ab skinfold measured 4.5 and my pec skinfold was 3.5, do you know how thin skinned that is?




I don't think you're over 8%. I think you're right at 8% imop
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