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« on: September 15, 2012, 07:11:56 PM »
Whats a good substitute? I'm trying to eliminate as much saturated fat from my diet as possible.
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Re: Butter
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2012, 07:54:56 PM »
Whats a good substitute? I'm trying to eliminate as much saturated fat from my diet as possible.

um... why?  saturated fat is the healthy fat....

interesting fat fact: when you digest the monounsaturated fat in olive oil it becomes a saturated fat... that's why it's so healthy

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Re: Butter
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2012, 08:30:36 PM »
um... why?  saturated fat is the healthy fat....

interesting fat fact: when you digest the monounsaturated fat in olive oil it becomes a saturated fat... that's why it's so healthy
What do you suggest to bring down LDL's? My HDL and Tri's are good. I thought reducing or eliminating saturated fat(red meat, butter) would help. I use red yeast rice(1200mgs) and five grams of fish oil per day and they help my lipid profile but I feel my diet could change for the better. An example of my diet now is:

Meal 1, slice of whole wheat bread with one tbs of natural PB and a tps of jam, banana
Meal 2, two whole eggs and 3 whites, oatmeal and a banana
Meal 3, chicken, turkey, rice
Meal 4, fish, chicken, rice, potato, veg

I was using butter to cook my eggs and was using it on bagels as well. Sometimes I would sear a steak in butter. I've also limited my simple sugars as my glucose was higher than normal on my recent cbc although still under 100.
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Re: Butter
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2012, 02:27:42 AM »
What do you suggest to bring down LDL's? My HDL and Tri's are good. I thought reducing or eliminating saturated fat(red meat, butter) would help. I use red yeast rice(1200mgs) and five grams of fish oil per day and they help my lipid profile but I feel my diet could change for the better. An example of my diet now is:

Meal 1, slice of whole wheat bread with one tbs of natural PB and a tps of jam, banana
Meal 2, two whole eggs and 3 whites, oatmeal and a banana
Meal 3, chicken, turkey, rice
Meal 4, fish, chicken, rice, potato, veg

I was using butter to cook my eggs and was using it on bagels as well. Sometimes I would sear a steak in butter. I've also limited my simple sugars as my glucose was higher than normal on my recent cbc although still under 100.


you won't like it, but your problem is obvious... cut all grain , sugar and processed foods from your diet as well as any hydrogenated oils (vegetable or seed)

eat more healthy fats coming from natural sources (butter, coconut oil, olive oil are my favorites, just don't cook with olive oil) you should also try to eat a lot more omega 3 fats (vege/seed oils create a massive omega 6 imbalance)

Meal 1, slice of whole wheat bread with one tbs of natural PB and a tps of jam, banana
Meal 2, two whole eggs and 3 whites, oatmeal and a banana
Meal 3, chicken, turkey, rice
Meal 4, fish, chicken, rice, potato, veg

i this sounds counter intuitive but eating more healthy fat decreases unhealthy blood markers in 99% of people... remember that cutting out processed foods is a huge part of being healthier...

just a few thoughts off the top of my head... the junk science of the 1970s has created an industry for deadly drugs like statins...

don't cut out the butter, cut out Merck, Monsanto and Margarine

just my $0.02

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Re: Butter
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 04:24:57 PM »
um... why?  saturated fat is the healthy fat....

interesting fat fact: when you digest the monounsaturated fat in olive oil it becomes a saturated fat... that's why it's so healthy

WTF are you talking about?
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Re: Butter
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2012, 05:22:09 PM »

WTF are you talking about?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid

Olive oil fat is mostly Oleic acid

During digestion Oleic acid undergoes the reactions of carboxylic acids and alkenes. It is soluble in aqueous base to give soaps called oleates. Iodine adds across the double bond. Hydrogenation of the double bond yields the saturated derivative stearic acid.


that's WTF I'm talking about  :-*

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Re: Butter
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2012, 05:57:40 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid

Olive oil fat is mostly Oleic acid

During digestion Oleic acid undergoes the reactions of carboxylic acids and alkenes. It is soluble in aqueous base to give soaps called oleates. Iodine adds across the double bond. Hydrogenation of the double bond yields the saturated derivative stearic acid.


that's WTF I'm talking about  :-*

mmm negative  ;)
gonna have to do better than that.
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Re: Butter
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2012, 05:59:52 PM »
mmm negative  ;)
gonna have to do better than that.


Saturated fat is king

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Re: Butter
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2012, 09:23:50 PM »
Saturated fat is king

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Saturated fat leads to heart disease. I appreciate your input but giving up whole grains and continuing to eat foods laden with saturated fat is just a bad idea.
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Re: Butter
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 05:00:32 AM »
What do you suggest to bring down LDL's?


Plant sterols are found to reduce LDL levels. I haven't done enough research on this, and I have no personal experience. It's one of those many things I've filed away in my "things to further investigate" bank. Here are some studies for you to look over:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0031211/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0022559/

And, for further searching: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/?term=Sterols+LDL


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Re: Butter
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Re: Butter
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 05:27:14 AM »
Saturated fat leads to heart disease. I appreciate your input but giving up whole grains and continuing to eat foods laden with saturated fat is just a bad idea.

totally untrue

the lipid hypothesis has been disproved multiple times

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Re: Butter
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 09:17:17 AM »
Saturated fat leads to heart disease. I appreciate your input but giving up whole grains and continuing to eat foods laden with saturated fat is just a bad idea.

Not from what I've been reading in the last year.

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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 10:32:31 AM »
Not from what I've been reading in the last year.

Most Of it based on OLD research.

Thank the American political system for the current food paradigm.

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Re: Butter
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 04:25:18 PM »
Whats a good substitute? I'm trying to eliminate as much saturated fat from my diet as possible.

Olive oil

Saturated fat is king

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Not talking about the saturated fat debate, but your statement that olive oil turns into saturated fat once digested... dude...seriously...
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Re: Butter
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2012, 04:53:12 PM »
Olive oil

Not talking about the saturated fat debate, but your statement that olive oil turns into saturated fat once digested... dude...seriously...


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Re: Butter
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2012, 07:37:23 PM »
Olive oil

Not talking about the saturated fat debate, but your statement that olive oil turns into saturated fat once digested... dude...seriously...


i posted the biological process...

it's how it is

you do not have to believe in reality

the low fat cult still has lots of followers

in the end though, all belief systems are shit

truth trumps all

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Re: Butter
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2012, 07:54:57 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid

Olive oil fat is mostly Oleic acid

During digestion Oleic acid undergoes the reactions of carboxylic acids and alkenes. It is soluble in aqueous base to give soaps called oleates. Iodine adds across the double bond. Hydrogenation of the double bond yields the saturated derivative stearic acid.


that's WTF I'm talking about  :-*

That is NOT part of the statement.
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Re: Butter
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2012, 07:56:42 PM »
Margarine.

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Re: Butter
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2012, 07:56:56 PM »
That is NOT part of the statement.

i am too lazy to debate anything... just finished dinner after a 12 hour day...

dinner was a big sirloin steak, almost raw, and half a can of black olives

if sat fat is bad for me

i'll be dead soon

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Re: Butter
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2012, 08:09:22 PM »
i am too lazy to debate anything... just finished dinner after a 12 hour day...

dinner was a big sirloin steak, almost raw, and half a can of black olives

if sat fat is bad for me

i'll be dead soon

I'm not looking to argue with you, nor am I trying to debate the saturated fat (being healthy or not) issue.  My point is, olive oil does not change into a saturated fat once you ingest it.
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Re: Butter
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2012, 08:26:17 PM »
Margarine!

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Re: Butter
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2012, 09:35:01 PM »
Not from what I've been reading in the last year.
Post a double blind placebo controlled study. Thanks.
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Re: Butter
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2012, 03:28:19 AM »
Post a double blind placebo controlled study. Thanks.

my last responses to this gong show thread

this are all relavent

there are dozens more worth reading

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22585901
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22988791

studies like this one are also interesting (showing that PUFA likely does not have health benefits and may be unhealthy (obviously transfats are lethal))
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22968891

picture for the reading challenged:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1179759/figure/fig1/

again there are more


lipid hypothesis has been disproved over and over again

short story:
Saturated fat and Monounsaturated fatty acids (from natural, unprocessed sources) should be relatively large components of all human diets

Most Polyunsaturated (PUFA) fatty acids and especially the Trans-fatty acids created during the hydrogenation process should be is low quantities (naturally occurring PUFA) or completely avoided (processed PUFA, e.g. vegetable "fats")

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Re: Butter
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2012, 04:22:38 AM »