Obama 1998: "I actually believe in redistribution of wealth"

[Irongrip400]

collecting taxes and using that money to provide services to everyone

every country on the planet does it

btw - Romneys tax plan is to cut taxes on the wealthy and increase taxes on the poor and middle class.

That is how it is supposed to work now.  When I hear redistribute the wealth, what I "hear" is that people who are doing better than everyone else, need to pay alot more to make up for the lack of paying in by the poor.  Am I right in this assumption?  What I mean is, is that what you think it means?

[Thick Nick]

Someone explain "redistribute the wealth" to me.  Both sides of the isle please.

Redistribution of the wealth is code speech for a Black Liberation Theology idea that the white man stole all of thier wealth from minorities... Native American land... Mid east oil... Etc. Followers of this theology believe salvation comes from returning wealth to it's rightful owner. Not surprisingly Rev. Wright supscribes to this belief and we all know that tie in. A good glimpse of the policy in action though is taking place in the gulf right now. No American companies can drill for oil since the BP fiasco... But South American ones can, mainly Brazilian companies. That is subtle redistribution of the wealth.

[Straw Man]

It's going great opening a bigger location in Nov. I ask because you seem to not realize what raising taxes does to businesses.

I've never thought about taxes in regards to my business.   I made good money in the 1990's when taxes were marginally higher.   I had a few shitty years (2008 specifically) where I would much rather have made more money and paid 3% more in taxes than to have made a lot less money and had a smaller tax bill

If a 3% bump in your marginal tax rate is really going to have a serious impact on your business then it's not taxes that are your problem

here is what Mark Cuban had to say about taxes when looking at business opportunities

Entrepreneurs who create something out of nothing don’t care what tax rates are. Bill Gates didn’t monitor the marginal tax rate when he dropped out of Harvard and started MicroSoft (btw, it was a ton higher than it is today). Michael Dell didn’t wonder what the capital gains tax was when he started PC’s Limited, and then grew it into Dell Computer.  I doubt that any great business or invention started with a discussion or even a consideration of what the current or projected income or capital gains tax was or would be.

The impact of tax rates on productivity and development is something economists masturbate about,  enterpreneurs don’t waste their time thinking about it. We have business to do.

Entrepreneurs live to be entrepreneurs. I have never had a discussion with anyone about starting a business that included tax rates. Ever. If anyone that wanted an investment from me made a point of discussing tax rates as an impact on their business, I wouldnt invest in them. Ever.

http://blogmaverick.com/

[Straw Man]

That is how it is supposed to work now.  When I hear redistribute the wealth, what I "hear" is that people who are doing better than everyone else, need to pay alot more to make up for the lack of paying in by the poor.  Am I right in this assumption?  What I mean is, is that what you think it means?

one could make that interpration but then one could also say that redistribution of wealth is taking from the poor and middle class and giving it to the wealthly

that's essentially what Ryans budget does and what Romeny's budget must do (there is no other way to make it work)

One could also argue that those who have benefited more should be a tiny bit more.   There is nothing wrong with that either.   I personally would like to see taxes on everyone go back to what they were under Clinton.
If eveyones marginal tax rate goes up by 3% then no one can really complain about it or say it's unfair

[Soul Crusher]

LOL at straw diverting the issue to kneepad obama's socialism. 

[Straw Man]

LOL at straw diverting the issue to kneepad obama's socialism. 

wtf are you talking about ?

[Soul Crusher]

wtf are you talking about ?

Oblah blah believes in taking money from some people to give it to others who he thinks are victims of this terrible nation. 

[Straw Man]

Oblah blah believes in taking money from some people to give it to others who he thinks are victims of this terrible nation. 

in the 1998 clip he appears to be talking about a specific situation within the city of Chicago

regardless of that he didn't actually create our current tax code nor did he invent the progressive tax system that we an many other countries have

Of course, none of that really matters since you think it's an actual fact that Obama is a communist

[Kazan]

Oblah blah believes in taking money from some people to give it to others who he thinks are victims of this terrible nation. 

I have to agree with 33 on this, there is enough information out there, alot of it in Obama's own words.

[Kazan]

in the 1998 clip he appears to be talking about a specific situation within the city of Chicago

regardless of that he didn't actually create our current tax code nor did he invent the progressive tax system that we an many other countries have

Of course, none of that really matters since you think it's an actual fact that Obama is a communist

And this makes a difference how? He believes doing it at the city level, why wouldn't he believe in it at the state or national level?

[240 is Back]

Rush was all over this quote today.   So ya can't just generalize 'the media isn't talking about it'.   

[Soul Crusher]

in the 1998 clip he appears to be talking about a specific situation within the city of Chicago

regardless of that he didn't actually create our current tax code nor did he invent the progressive tax system that we an many other countries have

Of course, none of that really matters since you think it's an actual fact that Obama is a communist

What was he talking about when he said spread the wealth to joe the plumber

[Straw Man]

And this makes a difference how? He believes doing it at the city level, why wouldn't he believe in it at the state or national level?

I think the context of what he was talking about does matter but then again every politician believes in "redistrubution of wealth"

if not, then we would have a government and they wouldn't have a job

talking about a catch phrase such as that is meaningless but it's what Romney is trying to do today to distract from his own disastrous campaign

[Kazan]

I think the context of what he was talking about does matter but then again every politician believes in "redistrubution of wealth"

if not, then we would have a government and they wouldn't have a job

talking about a catch phrase such as that is meaningless but it's what Romney is trying to do today to distract from his own disastrous campaign

Yeah OK, all the BS with Romney is simply distraction from the disastrous policies Obama has implemented.

[Soul Crusher]

a 2005 interview (Adobe PDF) promoting Dreams From My Father, then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama had this to say about “mutual responsibility for bridging the [racial] divisions that exist right now”:
 

And I really want to emphasize the word “responsibility.” I think that whether you are a white executive living out in the suburbs, who doesn’t want to pay taxes to inner-city children for them to go to school, or you’re an inner-city child who doesn’t want to take responsibility for keeping your street safe and clean, both of those groups have to take some responsibility if we’re going to get beyond the kinds of divisions that we face right now.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/08/what-president-obama-really-thinks-about-successful-working-americans-2453378.html

[Kazan]

a 2005 interview (Adobe PDF) promoting Dreams From My Father, then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama had this to say about “mutual responsibility for bridging the [racial] divisions that exist right now”:
 

And I really want to emphasize the word “responsibility.” I think that whether you are a white executive living out in the suburbs, who doesn’t want to pay taxes to inner-city children for them to go to school, or you’re an inner-city child who doesn’t want to take responsibility for keeping your street safe and clean, both of those groups have to take some responsibility if we’re going to get beyond the kinds of divisions that we face right now.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/08/what-president-obama-really-thinks-about-successful-working-americans-2453378.html

Why anyone on a national level would vote for an IL politician for POTUS is beyond me. I guess you have to live in this fucked up state to understand

[Soul Crusher]

Why anyone on a national level would vote for an IL politician for POTUS is beyond me. I guess you have to live in this fucked up state to understand

Excuse me?   I live in the Bronx - LMFAO!!!!

We have charlie Rangle, Sharpton, et al remember?

[Kazan]

Excuse me?   I live in the Bronx - LMFAO!!!!

We have charlie Rangle, Sharpton, et al remember?

Our last to Governors are in the Pen

[Soul Crusher]

Our last to Governors are in the Pen

Our last elected Gov resigned in a prostitution scandal.   

[Kazan]

Our last elected Gov resigned in a prostitution scandal.   

At least he was fucking a hooker and not the state

[Soul Crusher]

White House: Romney 'desperate' for releasing '98 tape of Obama
 The Washington Times ^ | Sept. 19, 2012 | Dave Boyer

Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:05:03 PM


The White House called Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and his allies "desperate" Wednesday for releasing an audio tape from 1998 in which then-state Sen. Barack Obama spoke in favor of "redistribution" of wealth.

"When a campaign is having a bad day or a bad week or some might say a bad month … you sometimes witness an effort to, it seems desperate, to change the subject," said White House press secretary Jay Carney.

Republicans came out Tuesday with the tape of Mr. Obama, speaking at Loyola University, saying he supports "redistribution." It followed the release on Monday of a secretly recorded video of Mr. Romney at a fundraiser in May saying that 47 percent of Americans — Mr. Obama's supporters — consider themselves "victims" who depend on the government for assistance.

Mr. Romney and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, are highlighting Mr. Obama's 14-year-old comments on the campaign trail.


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[Fury]

Full-on communism. Fuck this grimy c*nt.

[Soul Crusher]

Full-on communism. Fuck this grimy c*nt.

Notice how this piece of garbage NEVER EVEr mentions individual freedoms or rights?