Ted Koppel Gives it to FoxNews - To Their Face!!

[Straw Man]

As if Fox News is the only station to mistakenly botch the party of a politician.

As for drug things, what was a "lie" about that? There are numerous countries where drugs that are illegal here are as easy to get as aspiring (why do you think bodybuilders go to Mexico?).

As for the WMDs, that story broke on several news stations.

It appears you can't tell the difference between mistakes and lies.

You want lies? Try NBC DELIBERATELY ALTERING the Geroge Zimmerman 911 tape.

kind of reminds me of the time when Fox claimed to run the UN-EDITED "You Didn't Build It" clip only to then proceed to show an EDITED CLIP ?

it's starts at ~ 1:25

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-25-2012/democalypse-2012---do-we-look-stupid--don-t-answer-that-edition---grammatical-gaffes

[dario73]

[MCWAY]

your own link says FOX affiliate and owned station

YOU falsely claimed that the court determined that WTVT (A Fox affiliate and owned station) did not ask them to lie about a story nor fire them for refusal.

The court did NO SUCH THING

Foxs argument was that it was their RIGHT to LIE and there was no violatin of the law for doing so.........PERIOD

the appeals court agreed with that claim

Yes, genius, an affiliate. We're dealing with a specific network and station, NOT the Fox News Channel, which YOU FALSELY CLAIMED suited for the right to lie.

The lower court THREW OUT the plaintiffs' claims, except for one. RECAP:

To begin with, the popular portrayal almost always omits the rather crucial fact that Akre and Wilson lost almost every one of their claims at the trial court. As the Florida Second District Court of Appeal noted in their ruling:


Akre and Wilson sued WTVT alleging… that their terminations had been in retaliation for their resisting WTVT’s attempts to distort or suppress the BGH story and for threatening to report the alleged news distortion to the FCC. Akre also brought claims for declaratory relief and for breach of contract. After a four-week trial, a jury found against Wilson on all of his claims. The trial court directed a verdict against Akre on her breach of contract claim, Akre abandoned her claim for declaratory relief, and the trial court let her whistle-blower claims go to the jury. The jury rejected all of Akre’s claims except her claim that WTVT retaliated against her in response to her threat to disclose the alleged news distortion to the FCC.

And...

   The jury of three men and three women deliberated nearly six hours before finding that Fox affiliate Channel 13 had retaliated against Jane Akre for a story about a controversial hormone manufactured by the Monsanto Corp.

    However, jurors refused to give any money to Akre’s husband, Steve Wilson, an Emmy-winning reporter who also worked on the story.

    And the jury did not believe the couple’s claim that the station bowed to pressure from Monsanto to alter the news report.

    Despite the limited victory, Akre and Wilson found vindication in the verdict…


Notice the key word, ALLEGED. Akre and Wilson's CLAIMING that WTVT distorting the story and WTVT actually doing so are two different things. Since they have no proof, benefit of the doubt goes to the network (in case you forgot, it's innocent until proven guilty).

A careful reading of the jury instruction reveals that the jury was only answering whether they believed Akre had been fired for threatening to lodge a complaint with the FCC alleging broadcast of a false, distorted, or slanted news report, not whether the news report was in fact false, distorted, or slanted.

The lower court scrapped all of Wilson's claims. And all but two of Akre's claim got show down. One of those claims she DROPPED. The lone claim that survive is what the court ruled in her favor.

It is that claim that went to the appeals court that OVERTURNED IT, in favor of WTVT.

[dario73]

Creative editing of Romney's Wawa comment. The left has a very short memory when it comes to their own lies.

[MCWAY]

Creative editing of Romney's Wawa comment. The left has a very short memory when it comes to their own lies.

I forgot about Wawa-Gate. Add that to the list of things that supposedly spelled doom for the Romney campaign.

[Straw Man]

Yes, genius, an affiliate. We're dealing with a specific network and station, NOT the Fox News Channel, which YOU FALSELY CLAIMED suited for the right to lie.

The lower court THREW OUT the plaintiffs' claims, except for one. RECAP:

Akre and Wilson sued WTVT alleging… that their terminations had been in retaliation for their resisting WTVT’s attempts to distort or suppress the BGH story and for threatening to report the alleged news distortion to the FCC. Akre also brought claims for declaratory relief and for breach of contract. After a four-week trial, a jury found against Wilson on all of his claims. The trial court directed a verdict against Akre on her breach of contract claim, Akre abandoned her claim for declaratory relief, and the trial court let her whistle-blower claims go to the jury. The jury rejected all of Akre’s claims except her claim that WTVT retaliated against her in response to her threat to disclose the alleged news distortion to the FCC.

Notice the key word, ALLEGED. Akre and Wilson's CLAIMING that WTVT distorting the story and WTVT actually doing so are two different things. Since they have no proof, benefit of the doubt goes to the network (in case you forgot, it's innocent until proven guilty).

do you really think splitting hairs over Faux New makes any significant difference

Fox News Channel (FNC), also referred to as Fox News, is a cable and satellite television news channel owned by the Fox Entertainment Group, a subsidiary of News Corporation

Faux News is a division of Fox and the station was an owned affiliate of Fox

If you really want to split hairs then so be it but lawyers for Fox argued successfully that they had the right to LIE and that it was not agains the law and the case was dismissed because FCC's "news distortion policy" is not a law and therefore not covered under the whistle blowers statute

Here is the appeals court ruling (again from YOUR VERY OWN LINK)

http://www.2dca.org/opinions/Opinion_Pages/Opinion_Page_2003/February/February%2014,%202003/2D01-529.pdf

While WTVT has raised a number of challenges to the judgment obtained
by Akre, we need not address each challenge because we find as a threshold matter
that Akre failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute. The portion of the
whistle-blower's statute pertinent to this appeal prohibits retaliation against employees
who have “[d]isclosed, or threatened to disclose,” employer conduct that “is in violation
of” a law, rule, or regulation. § 448.102(1)(3). The statute defines a “law, rule or
regulation” as “includ[ing] any statute or . . . any rule or regulation adopted pursuant to

Because the FCC’s news distortion policy is not a “law, rule, or regulation”
under section 448.102, Akre has failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's
statute. Accordingly, we reverse the judgment in her favor and remand for entry of a
judgment in favor of WTVT.
Reversed and remanded

[MCWAY]

do you really think splitting hairs over Faux New makes any significant difference

Fox News Channel (FNC), also referred to as Fox News, is a cable and satellite television news channel owned by the Fox Entertainment Group, a subsidiary of News Corporation

Faux News is a division of Fox and the station was an owned affiliate of Fox


do you really think splitting hairs over Faux New makes any significant difference

We are talking about the Fox News Channel. Do you really think the lefties, like you, who are whining about Fox News are really referring a local station (unless you happen to live in the Tampa Bay area)? Trying to paint the alleged actions of one affiliate on the corporation overall, or the national cable juggernaut, the FOX NEWS CHANNEL, the actual subject of the left's angst, is downright pathetic.

I guess the next time WTSP does something stupid, or is accused of such, we should throw CBS News under the bus completely.  

If you really want to split hairs then so be it but lawyers for Fox argued successfully they they had the right to LIE and the it was not agains the law and the case was dismissed because FCC's "news distortion policy" is not a law and therefore not covered under the whistle blowers statute

Here is the appeals court ruling (again from YOUR VERY OWN LINK)

http://www.2dca.org/opinions/Opinion_Pages/Opinion_Page_2003/February/February%2014,%202003/2D01-529.pdf

Are you really this incapable of reading?

The jury of the lower court DID NOT BUY the claims that WTVT falsified a story.

The appeals court doesn't have to address each challenge that Akre brought up in the lower court......so what does that tell you, genius?

THE APPEALS COURT AGREED with the lower court's verdict and opinions on the other challenges, NAMELY THE ONE where WTVT is not seen as falsifying any news story.

The only issue the appeals court is addressing is the whislteblower part, regarding Akre's threatening to go to the FCC for an....(here's the pesky word, again).....ALLEGED distortion of the story, not an actual one. But, because Akre's claim wasn't under the whistleblower statute (thanks to the FCC policy), there was no need to go further in the case.

Why would the folks at WTVT be fighting for a "right to lie" when a lower court already stated they weren't lying in the first place?

And the jury did not believe the couple’s claim that the station bowed to pressure from Monsanto to alter the news report....

    

A careful reading of the jury instruction reveals that the jury was only answering whether they believed Akre had been fired for threatening to lodge a complaint with the FCC alleging broadcast of a false, distorted, or slanted news report, not whether the news report was in fact false, distorted, or slanted.

[Fury]

Creative editing of Romney's Wawa comment. The left has a very short memory when it comes to their own lies.

Haha!

[Straw Man]

We are talking about the Fox News Channel. Do you really think the lefties, like you, who are whining about Fox News are really referring a local station (unless you happen to live in the Tampa Bay area)? Trying to paint the alleged actions of one affiliate on the corporation overall, or the national cable juggernaut, the FOX NEWS CHANNEL, the actual subject of the left's angst, is downright pathetic.

I guess the next time WTSP does something stupid, or is accused of such, we should throw CBS News under the bus completely.  

Are you really this incapable of reading?

The jury of the lower court DID NOT BUY the claims that WTVT falsified a story.

The appeals court doesn't have to address each challenge that Akre brought up in the lower court......so what does that tell you, genius?

THE APPEALS COURT AGREED with the lower court's verdict and opinions on the other challenges, NAMELY THE ONE where WTVT is not seen as falsifying any news story.

The only issue the appeals court is addressing is the whislteblower part, regarding Akre's threatening to go to the FCC for an....(here's the pesky word, again).....ALLEGED distortion of the story, not an actual one.

Why would the folks at WTVT be fighting for a "right to lie" when a lower court already stated they weren't lying in the first place?

And the jury did not believe the couple’s claim that the station bowed to pressure from Monsanto to alter the news report....

    

A careful reading of the jury instruction reveals that the jury was only answering whether they believed Akre had been fired for threatening to lodge a complaint with the FCC alleging broadcast of a false, distorted, or slanted news report, not whether the news report was in fact false, distorted, or slanted.

the appeals court only addressed the validity of the judgement based on the "whistleblower" status and Fox argued successfully that they had the right to lie and that it was not a violation of law or FCC rule to do so

[blacken700]

As if Fox News is the only station to mistakenly botch the party of a politician.

As for drug things, what was a "lie" about that? There are numerous countries where drugs that are illegal here are as easy to get as aspiring (why do you think bodybuilders go to Mexico?).

As for the WMDs, that story broke on several news stations.

It appears you can't tell the difference between mistakes and lies.

You want lies? Try NBC DELIBERATELY ALTERING the Geroge Zimmerman 911 tape.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH YOU ARE THE BIGGEST KNEEPADDER FOR FOX THAT I I HAVE EVER SEEN

[Straw Man]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH YOU ARE THE BIGGEST KNEEPADDER FOR FOX THAT I I HAVE EVER SEEN

the weirdest part of McWays claim that somehow this wholey owned Fox Affiliate is not Fox News however when Monsanto became aware of the story they contacted Roger Ailes who is the head of Fox News

[Soul Crusher]

the weirdest part of McWays claim that somehow this wholey owned Fox Affiliate is not Fox News however when Monsanto became aware of the story they contacted Roger Ailes who is the head of Fox News

Got to laugh how you and the other kneepadders posted more posts in this thread alone than the entire Lybia and Egypt disaster. 

[Straw Man]

Got to laugh how you and the other kneepadders posted more posts in this thread alone than the entire Lybia and Egypt disaster. 

I don't have enough time in the day to devote to every delusional thing that you think is a disaster (and by disaster what you mean is Obama's disaster)

[MCWAY]

the appeals court only addressed the validity of the judgement based on the "whistleblower" status and Fox argued successfully that they had the right to lie and that it was not a violation of law or FCC rule to do so

WTVT argued no such thing. Once again, you're trying the whole bait-and-switch routine. This case is SPECIFICALLY ABOUT that particular network, not the Fox News Channel, which is your actual source of angst.

More importantly, and more relevant to the examination of whether WTVT actually asserted a”right to lie”in its newscasts, is that there is nothing on record to show that this argument was ever advanced in court.

Again, why would they argue about a "right to lie", when there's no evidence WTVT was lying, as the lower court rejected those claims of Akre and Wilson?

[Soul Crusher]

I don't have enough time in the day to devote to every delusional thing that you think is a disaster (and by disaster what you mean is Obama's disaster)

Dead ambassador - 2 dead ex seals,  embassies retreatd from, base attacked, 6 jets trashed, etc and you think that is not a disaster? 


LOL!!!!!

[MCWAY]

the weirdest part of McWays claim that somehow this wholey owned Fox Affiliate is not Fox News however when Monsanto became aware of the story they contacted Roger Ailes who is the head of Fox News

You really can't read that well, can you? I specifically spelled out the difference between the FOX NEWS CHANNEL (the nationwide cable juggernaut, with shows like "The O'Reilly Factor", "Hannity", "The Five", etc) and WTVT, a affiliate in the Tampa Bay area. It's the former that gets the undies of you and other libs in a bunch, not WTVT (unless you live in Florida).

Your ridiculous attempt to intermix the two makes you look downright FOOLISH, especially when BOTH the lower trial court and appeals courts made no finding or ruling that WTVT was lying in the first place, let alone establishing some alleged wacky claim that WTVT had the so-called "right to lie" (again, the lower trial court REJECTED the claims of Akre and Wilson, that WTVT distorted the story).

[LurkerNoMore]

If I wanted lies, I would turn to FAUX.  But after posting lies, all I get was excuses for them??

 

[MCWAY]

If I wanted lies, I would turn to FAUX.  But after posting lies, all I get was excuses for them??

 

Again, you can't tell the difference between lies and mistakes.

But, what else is new?

[MCWAY]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH YOU ARE THE BIGGEST KNEEPADDER FOR FOX THAT I I HAVE EVER SEEN

From the screwball who gets almost as much of a thrill up his leg as Matthews does, shilling for the red-headed stepchild of cable news.

[MCWAY]

Dead ambassador - 2 dead ex seals,  embassies retreatd from, base attacked, 6 jets trashed, etc and you think that is not a disaster? 


LOL!!!!!

Nope! Romney's tax returns and statements to donors, made four months ago, are far more important.

[blacken700]

From the screwball who gets almost as much of a thrill up his leg as Matthews does, shilling for the red-headed stepchild of cable news.

As if Fox News is the only station to mistakenly botch the party of a politician.

and i'll say again     kneepadder

[MCWAY]

As if Fox News is the only station to mistakenly botch the party of a politician.

and i'll say again     kneepadder

You're projecting again, I guess you and your alleged alter ego, are taking a break from the latest "Romney-is-finished" mantra, given by Team "Thrill up my leg".

And, congratulations! You shot yourself in the foot....AGAIN. Koppel is criticizing BOTH MSNBC and Fox.

Koppell: Fifteen years ago, there was a crying need for a network that focused more on conservative issues. Fox has done that. MSNBC has now come along and tried to provide...not because it's sort of a need for an ideological balance, but because it saw the balance sheet of Fox News!

O'Reilly: Yeah, they're getting their butt kicked!!

[Option D]

As if Fox News is the only station to mistakenly botch the party of a politician.

As for drug things, what was a "lie" about that? There are numerous countries where drugs that are illegal here are as easy to get as aspiring (why do you think bodybuilders go to Mexico?).

As for the WMDs, that story broke on several news stations.

It appears you can't tell the difference between mistakes and lies.

You want lies? Try NBC DELIBERATELY ALTERING the Geroge Zimmerman 911 tape.

lol

[Option D]

Creative editing of Romney's Wawa comment. The left has a very short memory when it comes to their own lies.

No no no..McWay said you can call them Mistakes
 

[MCWAY]

No no no..McWay said you can call them Mistakes
 

Yep, putting a "D" instead of an "R" (which was corrected for the rebroadcast of O'Reilly's show) ranks right up there with hacking out a section of a clip of a presidential campaign.