Shawn Rhoden can possibly win the 2013 Olympia

[Parker]

lacks that flow, that "pop" that Flex had...also his triceps are not as full as Flex's are...his shape is reminiscent of Flex's and his quad detail and that's it.

[Papper]

Speaking of ...

I know practically everybody here likes to think Kai won the last Olympia, but I still think Phil had it.  Break it down by compulsories.  Just how many did Kai actually WIN?  Front biceps?  BZZZT.  Puny forearms, smooth abs, flat chest.  Rear biceps?  BZZZT.  Arguably better legs, but good as Kai's back is, his traps are ridiculously weak.  

I'd like to see a pose-for-pose comparison between the two.  As noted, it seems like 90% of Getbig just hates "Philinsulin," and I do understand at least some of the reasons why.

Hatred for him aside, seriously:  where did Grapefruit really BEAT him?  And what do Grapefruit's supporters say about his very, VERY weak poses, like the traditional most-muscular?  Overlooking Yates' torn biceps is one thing, but disregarding an entire pose is another.

Pose for pose there always is a lot of opinion involved, but IMO:

fdb

Kai. Better lats, chest, legs. Even arms looks better than Phil's which are somewhat flat.

fls

Kai. Better lats, width and overall stance.

side chest

Kai, on arms, legs. Phils chest looks good here though.

bdb

Very close but Kai better shape and condition on legs and overall conditioning. Better calfs.

rls

Close in the back, Phil looks sharper but I prefer width in rls-poses. Legs just goes to Kai again.

side tri

Phil. Looks bigger and thicker in the arms department. Also better chest depth from the side.

absn'thighs

Kai no contest. Better everything. Phils stomach looks worse than ever.

mm

Feel like just giving this one to Phil since it's close but to be honest I think Kai's looks more peeled and wider in the most muscular. Displays his leg striations better too.

Kai again.

You could give Phil the MM and BDB but it doesn't change anything for me. But close it was.

Look here, sharp comparison images in the thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=442403.0

[tbombz]

hell fuckin yes he can. dude is ridiculously gifted.  i can see him rivaling ronnies prime physique if he doesnt lose that waistline.

[Tightskin]

great shape, but his muscles don't "pop", and he needs more back thickness and detail.

Dont agree with the lack of pop.  At all.

[Tightskin]

hell fuckin yes he can. dude is ridiculously gifted. 

I agree with tbonerz

[Master Blaster]

Face is odd. Sorry folks, but regular folks will keep looking back at his odd looking face. Points will, on some subconscious level, suffer. You don't need to be pretty, but you can't look like some massive revenge of the nerds science project.

[hazbin]

if he has the potential to win I hope he changes his posing.   it screams arrogance ( which is completely different than confidence) and makes it looks like he thinks he is way better than he is.  I don't care what he looked like coming into a show, if he posed like this I would be pissed if he won

[Parker]

Face is odd. Sorry folks, but regular folks will keep looking back at his odd looking face. Points will, on some subconscious level, suffer. You don't need to be pretty, but you can't look like some massive revenge of the nerds science project.

Needs to grow a stache...he looks like Mr. Potato Head.

[Bevo]

Needs to grow a stache...he looks like Mr. Potato Head.

 

[Bevo]

He should have entered the Arnold would have given dex a run

[Wiggs]

He looks alot better in video than in pics. I'm might have to change my mind about him. One thing to note though he is 40.

He put on alot of size since he's turned pro. His legs are fucking sick especially with great calves. Best abs in the pros now. Chest needs to be fuller, biceps aren't as bad as I thought but they do need more separation between bis and tris. His back is good in lat spread because he's a decent width. But his back needs to be more dense and detailed. Other than that. I take back what I said about him he could shake things up at the O. Phil, Kai, Jay and Rhoden, I might have to buy front row seats for this, it will be a legendary Olympia.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Am I the only one who thinks it is much more likely that Kai Greene will win the Olympia instead of Shawn Rhoden?

[Wiggs]

Am I the only one who thinks it is much more likely that Kai Greene will win the Olympia instead of Shawn Rhoden?

Of course. Kai's back destroys Rhodens.

[OTHstrong]

Make no mistake he is gunning for the O with every intention of winning it.  You don't skip the Arnold when you are the favorite to win the Arnold unless you have your mind on a bigger prize.

Why can he win?

1. His income has quadrupled and money goes along way in bodybuilding

2.He did like 8 shows last year yet he still placed 3rd, with a whole year off?

3. Momentum, he jumped leaps last year and was the biggest rising star

4. He came in 3rd without even being as shredded as Phil or Kai, so just imagine if he nails his conditioning.

5. He has the best insertions in bodybuilding, he also has the smallest waist and joints in bodybuilding. He has insane separation.

6. Ronnie is in his corner, for those who think this counts for nothing, hahah lol.

2013 Olympia between Heath and Rhoden, sorry Kai, sorry Jay.

[arce1988]

  OTH just made some great damn points

[Papper]

  OTH just made some great damn points

I disagree. Joints and insertions means jack in modern bb and it is easy to say "if" he nails it. Kai and Phil are consistent guys.

Too many ifs. Between Kai and Phil and a 2009 version of Jay - until Rhoden can show more size and conditioning.

[OTHstrong]

I disagree. Joints and insertions means jack in modern bb and it is easy to say "if" he nails it. Kai and Phil are consistent guys.

Too many ifs. Between Kai and Phil and a 2009 version of Jay - until Rhoden can show more size and conditioning.

We are only discussing possiblilities so ``if`s`` is all we got to go by but these if`s are not far-fetched. I do agree with you on joints and insertions count for nothing since they gave Branch 2 Arnold titles though.

[Papper]

We are only discussing possiblilities so ``if`s`` is all we got to go by but these if`s are not far-fetched. I do agree with you on joints and insertions count for nothing since they gave Branch 2 Arnold titles though.

Yes and I agreed with your points as they do speak in favor of him having a CHANCE, but that last line, to say it's between Rhoden and Philsuline... I like Rhoden but the way it is with the judging he is happy with a top 5 placing with Jay in the mix.

[jude2]

He should have entered the Arnold would have given dex a run

He might have won it, with that waist and shape.

[mesmorph78]

Am I the only one who thinks it is much more likely that Kai Greene will win the Olympia instead of Shawn Rhoden?

.... he wont beat kai...he has kai on shape..
but kai beats him everwhere else....
rhoden..is just ..blnd and is a perfect example of... everyone goes on about triceps.. but without peaks to the bis...
...

[OTHstrong]

Yes and I agreed with your points as they do speak in favor of him having a CHANCE, but that last line, to say it's between Rhoden and Philsuline... I like Rhoden but the way it is with the judging he is happy with a top 5 placing with Jay in the mix.

Just stirring up the water,lol. 

[Papper]

Just stirring up the water,lol. 

good this place needs it

[Parker]

Dont agree with the lack of pop.  At all.

arms lack separation in the FDB pose. Look at the bis and tris, he lacks that "pop" when he poses.

[mesmorph78]

arms lack separation in the FDB pose. Look at the bis and tris, he lacks that "pop" when he poses.

no bi peak....

[OTHstrong]

no bi peak....

Bicep peaks are over rated, especially on stage, his front double as a pose is top 5 in the world anyway