Republicans is nothing more than lobbyists.

[whork]

Really before Obama care those same 30 million couldn't get insurance?

Yes

[whork]

lol.. so thats how.... in the private sector? lol.. too easy

Haha 33...no wonder 33.... support Romney he flip-flops just the same

[garebear]

Really before Obama care those same 30 million couldn't get insurance?

Well, yes. Many of those people couldn't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition.

Are you even paying attention?

[whork]

Great work by them on most of those bills!

Is that website supposed to be an endorsement of the GOP?



Oh wait, I should be upset that they blocked the DREAM Act? Fuck out of here, Simple Jack. You IS retard. 

Yes fuck the First responders and fuck our soldiers and veterans.
Use the $$ on the rich. USA, USA.. Fuck you

[Fury]

Yes fuck the First responders and fuck our soldiers and veterans.
Use the $$ on the rich. USA, USA.. Fuck you

Kazan embarrassed you all over the last thread you tried to make that quip about vets/soldiers. I guess some retards never learn.

I like how progs are actually trying to act like they care about the soldiers. Protip: The soldiers overwhelmingly support Romney so you might as well stop talking.  

[whork]

Kazan embarrassed you all over the last thread you tried to make that quip about vets/soldiers. I guess some retards never learn.

I like how progs are actually trying to act like they care about the soldiers. Protip: The soldiers overwhelmingly support Romney so you might as well stop talking.  

Im not afraid to get embarrassed
Im here to debate not feed my ego.
Thats why i get smarter everyday and you stay the same.

I support our troops but the support they have for Romney is based on false assumptions and lies.
The GOP's policies speak for themselves. Fuck the first responders and fuck our troops.

[Kazan]

Well, yes. Many of those people couldn't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition.

Are you even paying attention?

So what? No one has a right to health insurance and or health care. A service is provided by a highly trained professional, that service isn't free.

[whork]

So what? No one has a right to health insurance and or health care. A service is provided by a highly trained professional, that service isn't free.

Exactly thats why they need health insurance.
If they just go to the emergency room when their condition is critical its gonna cost the tax payers a whole lot more.

[Kazan]

Exactly thats why they need health insurance.
If they just go to the emergency room when their condition is critical its gonna cost the tax payers a whole lot more.

And why is that? Why do we "need" health insurance? How exactly did the insurance companies get into the position they did?

[whork]

And why is that? Why do we "need" health insurance? How exactly did the insurance companies get into the position they did?

Because if they dont have health insurance they will be driven to the emergency room when they get critical and the bill for their care will go to the taxpayers

[Kazan]

Because if they dont have health insurance they will be driven to the emergency room when they get critical and the bill for their care will go to the taxpayers

Your missing the point, at what point did we require health insurance to be able to afford medical care? How did the insurance companies manage to basically setup a government endorsed monopoly?

[whork]

Your missing the point, at what point did we require health insurance to be able to afford medical care? How did the insurance companies manage to basically setup a government endorsed monopoly?

Its not a monopoly you can go and pay from your own pocket actually you have to with no insurance.

Medical help is expensive because they have to make a profit.

You could do like in Europe and make it universal paid by taxes but thats Socialism and we cant have that

[Kazan]

Its not a monopoly you can go and pay from your own pocket actually you have to with no insurance.

Medical help is expensive because they have to make a profit.

You could do like in Europe and make it universal paid by taxes but thats Socialism and we cant have that

Sure if you want to pay a fine now thanks to Obama care........

Sure, but how did the insurance companies manage to get in this position of power?

You are correct, we can't, it's unconstitutional........ ...but I guess that hasn't stopped the Federal Government in the past

[whork]

Sure if you want to pay a fine now thanks to Obama care........

Sure, but how did the insurance companies manage to get in this position of power?

You are correct, we can't, it's unconstitutional........ ...but I guess that hasn't stopped the Federal Government in the past

Well there is 2 options.

1. Public healthcare.
Cost is deducted via taxes and everybody pays in even welfare recievers(Not as much obviously).




2. Private healthcare.
Cost is paid one a 1-on-1 basis and you recieve the bill by mail.


However since the healthcare is private they obey market rules and try to make money for their shareholders therefore the price is much higher than universal healthcare.

And unless you want let people die you have to help people who doesnt have money as well and that bill goes to the tax payer.


Actually universal healtcare is less "Communistic" than Private healthcare because in the end more people actually pays and nobody gets it for free. LOL:)

[garebear]

Sure if you want to pay a fine now thanks to Obama care........

Sure, but how did the insurance companies manage to get in this position of power?

You are correct, we can't, it's unconstitutional........ ...but I guess that hasn't stopped the Federal Government in the past

Virtually everyone is going to need healthcare at some point.

If that person doesn't have insurance, and shows up at a hospital, that cost is transferred to the taxpayer. This is also known as a 'freeloader'.

It seems quite ironic that 'conservatives' support the idea of a freeloader, but that's one of the paradoxes in modern Republican politics.

Actually, Newt Gingrich himself supports Obamacare in this respect, although no one is honest enough to mention it.

The only argument you could truly make, and hold true to your conservative philosophy, is either to stop the freeloader by making him get insurance or by denying him care altogether. The latter is a tough sell in 21st century America, and the rest of the world.

Republicans, at this point, are essentially pro-freeloader.

[whork]

Republicans hates freeloaders if they are poor but they get paid by the healthcare companies so they fuck the taxpayer and make the healthcare companies richer.
Scumbags.

[Option D]

And why is that? Why do we "need" health insurance? How exactly did the insurance companies get into the position they did?

Always wondered thaty... Same goes with Car Insurance...

[whork]

Sure if you want to pay a fine now thanks to Obama care........

Sure, but how did the insurance companies manage to get in this position of power?

You are correct, we can't, it's unconstitutional........ ...but I guess that hasn't stopped the Federal Government in the past

Because otherwise the tax payer pays for the healthcare and the person has not contributed one bit.
I thought you were pro-capitalism and not communism?

[Kazan]

Always wondered thaty... Same goes with Car Insurance...

You can thank Nixon for "health insurance". as far as car insurance, well that a state by state issue so I see not problem with that

[MCWAY]

Gives 30 million people acces to insurance(healthcare)

Is that the best you can do?

And please dont comment on the link just try your old out-dated rhetoric

American people didn't want it (and still don't); Democrats got murdered in 2010, because of it. Is that the best YOU can do?

[garebear]

You can thank Nixon for "health insurance". as far as car insurance, well that a state by state issue so I see not problem with that

Is there a state where you aren't required to have car insurance?

I honestly don't know the answer.

[Kazan]

Virtually everyone is going to need healthcare at some point.

If that person doesn't have insurance, and shows up at a hospital, that cost is transferred to the taxpayer. This is also known as a 'freeloader'.

It seems quite ironic that 'conservatives' support the idea of a freeloader, but that's one of the paradoxes in modern Republican politics.

Actually, Newt Gingrich himself supports Obamacare in this respect, although no one is honest enough to mention it.

The only argument you could truly make, and hold true to your conservative philosophy, is either to stop the freeloader by making him get insurance or by denying him care altogether. The latter is a tough sell in 21st century America, and the rest of the world.

Republicans, at this point, are essentially pro-freeloader.

You are wrong as usual, and it has nothing to do with republicans. The simple fact that the federal government has managed to get it's hooks into healthcare is a travesty. Healthcare is not a right, no matter how much you want to bloviate about it. It is a service provided by a trained professional who charges for said service. Remove government bureaucracy and the price comes down.

[Kazan]

Is there a state where you aren't required to have car insurance?

I honestly don't know the answer.

Doesn't look like it, but it appears liability is all that is required by the majority.

[garebear]

Doesn't look like it, but it appears liability is all that is required by the majority.

So what's the difference if it's state or federal? It's the law.

[Kazan]

So what's the difference if it's state or federal? It's the law.

The constitutionality of it