Republicans is nothing more than lobbyists.

[garebear]

The constitutionality of it

Do you think that slavery should have been left up to the states?

[Kazan]

Do you think that slavery should have been left up to the states?

No, and reason being is that humans are not property, enslaving someone is taking away the inalienable rights this nation was founded on

[garebear]

No, and reason being is that humans are not property, enslaving someone is taking away the inalienable rights this nation was founded on

Hey, wait a minute.

Isn't life itself an inalienable right?

[Kazan]

Hey, wait a minute.

Isn't life itself an inalienable right?

I see where you are trying to go with this, the constitution is about protecting you from the federal government. Not the government giving you the right to live

[whork]

American people didn't want it (and still don't); Democrats got murdered in 2010, because of it. Is that the best YOU can do?

That wasnt the question but thanks for the input

The question was how a change in healtcare policy would result in cuts to healthcare.

If Obama care is repealed 30 million people will lose their health insurance, thats a big cut

[whork]

You are wrong as usual, and it has nothing to do with republicans. The simple fact that the federal government has managed to get it's hooks into healthcare is a travesty. Healthcare is not a right, no matter how much you want to bloviate about it. It is a service provided by a trained professional who charges for said service. Remove government bureaucracy and the price comes down.

No you will stop treating people if they dont have health insurance and leave them to die on the streets?
or
You want them to have "free" healthcare paid for by you and me?

Thats the options with the system we have now. If you want government and our tax dollars out of the picture you need to need help them and let them die. Is that your answer to our healthcare issues?

[Kazan]

No you will stop treating people if they dont have health insurance and leave them to die on the streets?
or
You want them to have "free" healthcare paid for by you and me?

Thats the options with the system we have now. If you want government and our tax dollars out of the picture you need to need help them and let them die. Is that your answer to our healthcare issues?

You just don't get it, the bloated mess of a healthcare system we have now is a direct result of the federal government. So your answer is to make everybody buy insurance (Obamacare)? Now that makes sense, instead of fixing the problem double down on what fucked it up in the first place. Do a little research and see how all this shit came about, bet it can be traced back to you guessed it lobbyist.

[whork]

You just don't get it, the bloated mess of a healthcare system we have now is a direct result of the federal government. So your answer is to make everybody buy insurance (Obamacare)? Now that makes sense, instead of fixing the problem double down on what fucked it up in the first place. Do a little research and see how all this shit came about, bet it can be traced back to you guessed it lobbyist.

Nothing is free.

There is really only 3 options:

Universal healthcare.

Private healthcare where you still treat people (The system we have now)

Private healthcare where nobody gets help without an insurance or cash up front.

What do you prefer and why?

[Kazan]

Nothing is free.

There is really only 3 options:

Universal healthcare.

Private healthcare where you still treat people (The system we have now)

Private healthcare where nobody gets help without an insurance or cash up front.

What do you prefer and why?

Since healthcare is not a right, it is up to you to provide for yourself, if you work provides health insurance good for you. All this only became an issue because the government made it an issue and inserted itself at the behest of the insurance lobby.

[whork]

Since healthcare is not a right, it is up to you to provide for yourself, if you work provides health insurance good for you. All this only became an issue because the government made it an issue and inserted itself at the behest of the insurance lobby.

So you want to let a person die who is brought to the hospital and has no health insurance or cash on him?

[Kazan]

So you want to let a person die who is brought to the hospital and has no health insurance or cash on him?

So you only want to deal with the morality of the issue? A service is provided, it's your responsibility to pay for it.

[whork]

So you only want to deal with the morality of the issue? A service is provided, it's your responsibility to pay for it.

Forget the morality im trying to make a solution that is applicable in the real world.
Yes but thats just the thing..with the current system you dont pay for it but the taxpayers gets the bill. Get it?

[garebear]

So you only want to deal with the morality of the issue? A service is provided, it's your responsibility to pay for it.

So, by your logic, someone crashing into another car and being responsible, then paying for the damage through an insurance company, that is a service?

Liability insurance is a "service" provided by insurance companies. Otherwise, every driver would have to have about thirty grand in the bank when he or she even got behind the wheel. Not only that, but said driver would have to have that income to devote solely to auto  accidents. Is that correct?

You really are confusing the freeloader issue. What you don't understand is that everyone is already in the system. No industrialized nation on the face of the planet is going to deny emergency care. You simply aren't addressing that issue. (Don't get angry and make some flippant comment, that's the state of the world today.)

[Kazan]

So, by your logic, someone crashing into another car and being responsible, then paying for the damage through an insurance company, that is a service?

Liability insurance is a "service" provided by insurance companies. Otherwise, every driver would have to have about thirty grand in the bank when he or she even got behind the wheel. Not only that, but said driver would have to have that income to devote solely to auto  accidents. Is that correct?

You really are confusing the freeloader issue. What you don't understand is that everyone is already in the system. No industrialized nation on the face of the planet is going to deny emergency care. You simply aren't addressing that issue. (Don't get angry and make some flippant comment, that's the state of the world today.)

Driving is priviledge not a right, you accept responsibility for you actions simply by getting behind the wheel. Most states require liability insurance, fine that is the states right to do. If you decide to drive without insurance and get in an accident oh well gonna cost ya.

No I understand perfectly, what you don't understand is the federal governments encroachment on what the state should be able to decide. Instead the federal government regulates it in such a way that it has caused costs to sky rocket. Were the actual free market system able to run it's natural course the cost would drop not continually increase.

[bears]

I beg to differ.

Look at the link.

Repub are far worse sorry

oh christ.  are you even being serious?

[garebear]

Driving is priviledge not a right, you accept responsibility for you actions simply by getting behind the wheel. Most states require liability insurance, fine that is the states right to do. If you decide to drive without insurance and get in an accident oh well gonna cost ya.

No I understand perfectly, what you don't understand is the federal governments encroachment on what the state should be able to decide. Instead the federal government regulates it in such a way that it has caused costs to sky rocket. Were the actual free market system able to run it's natural course the cost would drop not continually increase.

Right. The free market will fix everything.

Always has, always will.

Good argument.

[whork]

Right. The free market will fix everything.

Always has, always will.

Good argument.

Except when it fucks everything up then even Wall Street and Bush is communists all of a sudden.

[whork]

I see where you are trying to go with this, the constitution is about protecting you from the federal government. Not the government giving you the right to live

If health care companies in the name of profit is denying you health care arent they taking away your right to live?