Islamic insecurities ?

[stingray]

WTF!

Is that all your good at, editing posts?

ID love for you one day to post something factual or intelligent and speak with abit of knowledge, or are you scared your dad may bash you?

Or maybe even reply to some of my refute of your posts which you dont seem you have the balls to reply to.

[avxo]

No it's not irrelevent.  This is a religious discussions forum, so when Islam is accused of being the reasoning behind the destruction, I decided to show that accusation isn't consistent with the timeline of events and the Taliban ambassador's claim.

It's perfectly consistent with the timeline. That they didn't do it right away isn't inconsistent.

Similar to posts on mistreatment of women, when they are made here and Islam is accused of being the cause, I post to clarify that the motivation is cultural not religious.  For the budda destruction, the motivation was emotional not religious.

Even if that's true, religion was used as a justification.

[OTHstrong]

Is that all your good at, editing posts?

ID love for you one day to post something factual or intelligent and speak with abit of knowledge, or are you scared your dad may bash you?

Or maybe even reply to some of my refute of your posts which you dont seem you have the balls to reply to.

You angry bro?

[bigbobs]

Hold on a second, with all due respect I have been following both Avxo and your arguments and I am not feeling you accomplished this. Bro drop yourself in any of the 200 countries in the world and ask the nearest professor, lawyer, doctor, politician etc why the Taliban destroyed The statue and they will all say because Islam does not like people worshipping Statues, it is common sense that every single person on the planet, except Muslims of course) will think this.

The Taliban ambassador knows better than non-Taliban member university professors what the Taliban's reasoning was.

[tbombz]

Quite possibly, but I think truth will always involve paradox, like "Truth doesn't exist, and this is the truth".  Truth implies perfection, and perfection doesn't exist, you may be able to get close to the truth, this is all one can do, since their is no absolute truth.

no. your advocating a religious view by asserting truth and perfection dont exist. they may very well exist in the form of god or something god-like. the question of whether humans can attain it is irrelevant to the question of whether it exists.

[OTHstrong]

The Taliban ambassador knows better than non-Taliban member university professors what the Taliban's reasoning was.

Bro no one on the planet will believe in any other motive but the idolatry one, no one. The most naive person won't fall for those silly explanation.

[Internet Tough Guy]

It always surprises me to see a woman to defend Islam.

It makes me wonder if the woman is ignorant of the facts or hates other women and also believes they should serve men.

Samson's/Jag's ignornace surprises no one.  She defends terrorists on a regular basis when she isn't spamming the board to death with her gold/gas pills/women's empowerment thru shopping b.s.

[Radical Plato]

no. your advocating a religious view by asserting truth and perfection don't exist. they may very well exist in the form of god or something god-like. the question of whether humans can attain it is irrelevant to the question of whether it exists.

But if it does exist humans need to be able to attain it or discover it, otherwise it remains hidden from Truth and the possibility of it not existing is equally valid.  Your assuming it does exist and that humans just are unaware of it, until it can be validated the opposite theory also remains an option, that truth, perfection and divinity don't exist.  It is imperative that humans discover the real truth, until then we're going to have all types of crazies running around claiming they have uncovered the truth based on faith and the rest of us who place their faith in science and the slow unremitting and unravelling of knowledge and wisdom are going to have to tolerate their lack of wisdom and real insight.  If perfection, truth or divinity exist, it must be verifiable and not the wishful thinking of indoctrinated idiots.  To suggest it may exist but we will forever remain unaware of it is pointless, it is the equivalent of suggesting there is a heaven full of virgins, it sounds nice, but is obviously unverifiable and based on the laws of probability and humanity's current understanding of the universe, Highly improbable.

Also I think you are missing the point of the statement "Truth doesn't exist" , for this statement to be true, Truth must exist.  Paradox I believe holds answers to the universe, like the laws of physics don't apply  at the atomic - or subatomic level. Quantum physics is the next stage of our intellectual evolution, and will begin to unlock the mystery behind Paradox.

[a_ahmed]

It always surprises me to see a woman to defend Islam.

It makes me wonder if the woman is ignorant of the facts or hates other women and also believes they should serve men.

Why does it surprise you? Majority of converts to Islam are university educated women not men.

I learned more about religion and philosophy in school not from tv. You know the whole 'education', 'learning', 'reading' thing.

Although I am not a woman but a man

[Stefano]

Why does it surprise you? Majority of converts to Islam are university educated women not men.

I learned more about religion and philosophy in school not from tv. You know the whole 'education', 'learning', 'reading' thing.

Although I am not a woman but a man

Yeah but you do act likea bitch though achmutt.

A majority of the women who convert to anything are usually mentally fragile. I watched a couple of the clips and the common trait among everyone seems that they resemble lost sheep. If they didnt convert to islam they would have converted to something else becuase christianity wasnt working for them. Converts of any kind are usually swayable with the right set of words because of their mental instability. they need to be leda round by the nose and islam excels in having blind followers.

[a_ahmed]

Yeah but you do act likea bitch though achmutt.

A majority of the women who convert to anything are usually mentally fragile. I watched a couple of the clips and the common trait among everyone seems that they resemble lost sheep. If they didnt convert to islam they would have converted to something else becuase christianity wasnt working for them. Converts of any kind are usually swayable with the right set of words because of their mental instability. they need to be leda round by the nose and islam excels in having blind followers.

 

How fascinating, they are mentally unstable because you hate Islam Good job man! You are convincing me every day that much more. I thank God almighty to have opened my eyes to Islam away from ignorance.

There are people out there who search for the truth, and they have found it with Islam. You still have not, and have a problem with Islam probably because of personal issues, personal desires, etc...

Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of converts to islam are university educated women.

[Stefano]

How fascinating, they are mentally unstable because you hate Islam Good job man! You are convincing me every day that much more. I thank God almighty to have opened my eyes to Islam away from ignorance.

There are people out there who search for the truth, and they have found it with Islam. You still have not, and have a problem with Islam probably because of personal issues, personal desires, etc...

Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of converts to islam are university educated women.

Who cares whether they were educated or not. Plenty of people have an education but no common sense...you' re a perfect example.

The truth is a perception. A lie necomes truth only if a person wants to beleive it. Thats how muhammed convinced a bunch of people that God spoke to him. He wasnt the first one. Plenty of people claim god spoke to them. The ones left standing usually wins. Thats how a lie becomes truth and gave birth to islam.

[OTHstrong]

How fascinating, they are mentally unstable because you hate Islam Good job man! You are convincing me every day that much more. I thank God almighty to have opened my eyes to Islam away from ignorance.

There are people out there who search for the truth, and they have found it with Islam. You still have not, and have a problem with Islam probably because of personal issues, personal desires, etc...

Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of converts to islam are university educated women.

Insecurities ^^^^

[a_ahmed]

Well in that case maybe you have no common-sense if you are painting with a wild brush people who have far more education than you do. I have a strong feeling you are short of making some degenerative comments towards women just because they embraced Islam.

[a_ahmed]

Insecurities ^^^^

lol do you think that's insecurity? Or a person such as yourself and stefano who must insult everyone who believes in Islam. He made a lot of allegations about people he doesn't know about simply on the basis that he disagrees/hates/doesn't believe in Islam and they do.

Also unlike Christians, we do not need fake conversion stories or conversion stories for profit where 'former muslims' get money and popularity for bashing Islam with the same typical evangelical frauds and lies. Talk about insecurities.

On the other hand you can find millions of authentic and sincere conversion stories from all faiths to Islam.

Think for a second and realize it is not Muslims who are insecure, we are in fact very confident and proud to be Muslim. It is you who are insecure and therefore need to invest billions of dollars to demonize 2 billion people.

Even the premise of your thread showcases this insecurity of yours. You have tried multiple threads to attack islam and muslims and that is your insecurity.

Lets not forget you started a thread with 'unknown intentions' to try to showcase how islam is false because it comes from 'wild asses'  

In effect you are insecure about your own beliefs. Since you cannot argue against your own bible as we have barely used the qur'an to debate the trinity, you have no choice but to resort to demonizations.

[OTHstrong]

lol do you think that's insecurity? Or a person such as yourself and stefano who must insult everyone who believes in Islam. He made a lot of allegations about people he doesn't know about simply on the basis that he disagrees/hates/doesn't believe in Islam and they do.

I have never insulted anyone who believes in Islam, never. The whole point of this thread is when someone has a different view of that of Islam that Muslims will say they hate Islam, that is the whole point, insecurities. That is your come back for every single argument you have here with everyone is that they hate Islam that is how insecure you are just cause you are losing in a debate.

[Skeletor]

Why does it surprise you? Majority of converts to Islam are university educated women not men.

You've been saying this for quite a while. What happens when a woman (or man) who has been converted to Islam changes mind or decides to leave for whatever reason?

[Stefano]

Well in that case maybe you have no common-sense if you are painting with a wild brush people who have far more education than you do. I have a strong feeling you are short of making some degenerative comments towards women just because they embraced Islam.

Im referring to all converts to any religion not just women or islam. However women are more susceptible to being swayed when enough pressure is applied. Thats why they get duped into acting in porn or prostitution or being abused by men. Thats why more women convert to islam than men. Thats why muslims usually marry women half their age. Its easier to start the brainwashing process early. Christianiity doesnt have as strong holds and allows more freedom. If a man or woman converts away from islam the penalties are harsh which dissade most from leaving. I did a lot of voluteer work for habitat for humanity during my college days and i heard first hand some of the horror stories of abuse people face when trying to leave islam. Christianitity or other religions dont have those levels of punishments.

[a_ahmed]

You've been saying this for quite a while. What happens when a woman (or man) who has been converted to Islam changes mind or decides to leave for whatever reason?

Some islamophobes get excited on this forum and will talk about it 247 maybe?

Here you are – those invited to spend in the cause of Allah – but among you are those who withhold [out of greed]. And whoever withholds only withholds [benefit] from himself; and Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy. And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you.Quran 47:038

Regardless, Islam is the fastest growing religion. And I cannot see how someone who truly believes in God would reject Islam once they are shown it.

There is no doubt in my mind about God's revelation through Muhammad (pbuh) and you can hold a gun up to my head or offer me a trillion dollars but I will not abandon Islam It is illogical to abandon the truth once you have found it. Only a fool would go for falsity of this world.

[a_ahmed]

Im referring to all converts to any religion not just women or islam. However women are more susceptible to being swayed when enough pressure is applied. Thats why they get duped into acting in porn or prostitution or being abused by men. Thats why more women convert to islam than men. Thats why muslims usually marry women half their age. Its easier to start the brainwashing process early. Christianiity doesnt have as strong holds and allows more freedom. If a man or woman converts away from islam the penalties are harsh which dissade most from leaving. I did a lot of voluteer work for habitat for humanity during my college days and i heard first hand some of the horror stories of abuse people face when trying to leave islam. Christianitity or other religions dont have those levels of punishments.

Wow... so this is what you think of women. Strong women hating going on here. Wish 24kt was here to hear you out, wonder what she would say as a woman.

Oh and my wife is 5 years older than me. Muhammad's first wife was 40 when he was 25.

You guys are an interesting bunch. I wonder what benefit you reap from trying to distract people from islam. It's quite stereotypical but mysteriously amusing.

The reality and facts on the ground dictate differently. It's like television trying to portray a picture of Islam an Muslims, vs the reality. You are losing your war on 'hearts and minds' of people. Be sure of that.

Every time there is a great effort to slander Islam and Muslims, more people come to Islam and become Muslims. In fact my curiosity was sparked by the same islamophobe garbage and ultimately I became Muslim myself. Alhamdulillah

[Stefano]

That is your come back for every single argument you have here with everyone is that they hate Islam that is how insecure you are just cause you are losing in a debate.

100 percent true.

Another fact is onetimehard is a better person than am in terms of tolerating bullshit. So dont lump us in the same sentence.

I have a low tolerance for assholes who try to shove their religion in our faces. A good example is constantly posting about christians converting to islam. This seems to be done to belittle the christian on this board and is totally uncalled for. There is another gy called bigbobs on the religion board. who is constantly repeating this over and over. There seems to be a theme here.

Hey if you want to start shit you called down the thunder.

[Skeletor]

Here you are – those invited to spend in the cause of Allah – but among you are those who withhold [out of greed]. And whoever withholds only withholds [benefit] from himself; and Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy. And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you.Quran 47:038

So in essence this means that anyone who leaves Islam is free to do so and will just be replaced with "another people"?

And I cannot see how someone who truly believes in God would reject Islam once they are shown it.

That could be uttered for any religion, as they all believe they hold the absolute truth.

[OTHstrong]

Some islamophobes get excited on this forum and will talk about it 247 maybe?

Here you are – those invited to spend in the cause of Allah – but among you are those who withhold [out of greed]. And whoever withholds only withholds [benefit] from himself; and Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy. And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you.Quran 47:038

Regardless, Islam is the fastest growing religion. And I cannot see how someone who truly believes in God would reject Islam once they are shown it.

There is no doubt in my mind about God's revelation through Muhammad (pbuh) and you can hold a gun up to my head or offer me a trillion dollars but I will not abandon Islam It is illogical to abandon the truth once you have found it. Only a fool would go for falsity of this world.

Again when things are not going your way the next guy is an Islamaphobe, lol more insecurities

[a_ahmed]

100 percent true.

Another fact is onetimehard is a better person than am in terms of tolerating bullshit. So dont lump us in the same sentence.

I have a low tolerance for assholes who try to shove their religion in our faces. A good example is constantly posting about christians converting to islam. This seems to be done to belittle the christian on this board and is totally uncalled for. There is another gy called bigbobs on the religion board. who is constantly repeating this over and over. There seems to be a theme here.

Hey if you want to start shit you called down the thunder.

We weren't the ones that starts slandering Islam, Muslims, Muhammad, etc... You bring this upon yourself.

I came in to showcase the alternate face of what you present. So yes your hatred and anger is what has spawned my alternative views being presented on this board.

If I didn't see morons posting derogatory images, slurs, statements against our religion, our prophet (pbuh) I would have kept my talks to BBing only.

Since this is a large community and there are idiots amongst us who are islamophobes, as a fellow Muslim i will showcase it and respond to it.

You are the one that brought about 'thunder'.

Muslims will never go around insulting Jesus or Moses, yet you as in (be you atheist, christian, jew, whatever) will insult Muhammad (pbuh) and our religion.

When it comes to debating between beliefs, what have we done but show what we believe and contrast to what you believe.

As a former Christian I have debated the christians on the very things that made me leave christianity they showcased me yet again why I left christianity. Be it the inconsistencies in christian belief, worship of a human, and parting ways with the original teachings of the prophets, amongst other things.

At best arguing with them using their own scripture which is the bible.

You/they hate Islam/Muslims, so me showcasing people who have become Muslim has two purposes.

A. To showcase that what you are claiming/saying is quite not true.
B. To showcase the vast amount of different people finding and understanding islam while majority of you have not opened a qur'an with a clear mind without evil intentions
C. To present in a different light similarties as to why I embraced Islam.

In essence what have we received on here is comments like calling Muhammad a pedo, killer, violent, rapist, thief, liar, fraud, madman, gay, etc...

Then the usual 'honor killings' and all the other typical bs.

Ironically there is no such thing as honor killings in islam and i showcased it in the bible then everyone went silent and a few said oh we don't follow the old testament anymore. Well how about the Jews on here?

Do you see the irony??

[Stefano]

Wow... so this is what you think of women. Strong women hating going on here. Wish 24kt was here to hear you out, wonder what she would say as a woman.

Oh and my wife is 5 years older than me. Muhammad's first wife was 40 when he was 25.

You guys are an interesting bunch. I wonder what benefit you reap from trying to distract people from islam. It's quite stereotypical but mysteriously amusing.

The reality and facts on the ground dictate differently. It's like television trying to portray a picture of Islam an Muslims, vs the reality. You are losing your war on 'hearts and minds' of people. Be sure of that.

Every time there is a great effort to slander Islam and Muslims, more people come to Islam and become Muslims. In fact my curiosity was sparked by the same islamophobe garbage and ultimately I became Muslim myself. Alhamdulillah

Lol at women hating thats a muslim practice aint it?  

Hate to point out the facts but muslims are losing hearts and minds when they start their cycle of intolerance and hate throughout the world. Most terrorist acts are commited by muslims..most riots are incited by muslims. Oh of course its a mass media conspiracy. Yeah right buddy. I've travelled quite a bit throughout the world and muslims are the most reviled people in any country they are not the majority in. They engage in unfair trading where only muslims get the best prices. They are involved in extortion and money laundering...the list goes on. This isnt islamaphbia..these are facts achmutt.