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« Reply #400 on: November 01, 2012, 06:54:36 AM »
How many times do I have to tell you I don't get angry, your little insults can not get me angry when I have been posting on forums for over 5 years on Christianity and I have heard it all. I don't get angry bro and if someone disrespects me or calls me names then I am doing something right, in fact if no one calls me names or insults me then I get angry.

The sword verse alone proves Muhammad is a false prophet.

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« Reply #401 on: November 01, 2012, 08:47:15 AM »
So why care if they kill each other?

Because the problem is "they" don't just only kill each other...

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« Reply #402 on: November 01, 2012, 09:04:39 AM »
Because the problem is "they" don't just only kill each other...
Thanks, I was going to respond, but I thought why bother, Muslims aren't too bright and if it was just Muslims who were killing each other and no-one else, we would all be celebrating right, I mean a dead Muslim is a good Muslim, one less suicide bomber to worry about.  But your right, they kill non muslims  indiscriminately for what can only be considered juvenile excuses "WAH! Wah! Someone insulted my Prophet, boo hoo!"  Fucking dickheads, I just wish they would grow up.
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« Reply #403 on: November 01, 2012, 09:18:31 AM »
Funny thing is here, I brought up Saudi on purpose. Most Muslims I know think the place is way OTT but our Ahmed cannot help himself but defend anything done in the name of Islam. I figured Ahmed would defend what went on there whilst it was plainly obvious that he himself was not from such a place. Of course I was doing it to make a point but such is the nature of debate is it not.

Ahmed doesn't know "Islam" quite as well as he thinks.

For instance, Ahmed talks about Islamic segregation. He might want to meet my next door neighbour, My neighbour is a Muslim, his wife is Buddhist. His wife makes curtains (or drapes to you Yankees  ::) )

She came round to measure up when my wife was out. She and I were alone in my house. We chatted, polished off a cup of tea. What a fucking slut,eh? Not only that but when she came round to fit the curtains, she brought 3 guys to do the fitting.

I go round to my local market and see a Buddhist guy selling BBQ chicken. Next to that, 2 Muslim women selling fried chicken. They wear headscarf's but do not cover their faces. Other muslim women sell milky tea. There's no shortage of Mulsim men with stalls either.

Of course, if you take the Wahabi view of Islam, these women are all sluts. On the other hand, this is a developing country where not everyone has a limo driver (I still can't believe he said that), so people have to work to make ends meet. He must get real confused when Sunnis & Shias shoot each other. I guess they are both right.

Anyway - like I said before - people tend to bend the faith as it suits them. Saudi is the way it is because of political expediency back in the early 1900's. No-one voted for it to be that way. It's an abberation.

The place I live is very different and Muslims are not suppressed by  their own people here. Still, down South, they do manage to blow lots of shit up AND commit murders on an almost daily basis because a group of idiots want to carve out an independent state. Couple of days ago a 6 year old got caught in the crossfire. Normally it's Buddhist monks & school teachers getting the good news.

Ain't no "segregation in Islam" there's just segregation in some Islamic states. Different thing entirely.

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« Reply #404 on: November 01, 2012, 09:57:04 AM »
^blabla more ignorant pedro talking out of where the sunshine don't come. What a desperate islamophobe.

The sword verse alone proves Muhammad is a false prophet.


Which 'sword verse'

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34 - Jesus (pbuh)

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Luke 12:51


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« Reply #405 on: November 01, 2012, 01:08:38 PM »
^blabla more ignorant pedro talking out of where the sunshine don't come. What a desperate islamophobe.


Which 'sword verse'

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34 - Jesus (pbuh)

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Luke 12:51


lol, more insecurities  :-[

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« Reply #406 on: November 01, 2012, 01:17:36 PM »
So which sword verse?

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« Reply #407 on: November 01, 2012, 01:18:31 PM »
^blabla more ignorant pedro talking out of where the sunshine don't come. What a desperate islamophobe.


Which 'sword verse'

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34 - Jesus (pbuh)

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. Luke 12:51


You are a Muslim and do not know the sword verse?   :o :o
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9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

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« Reply #408 on: November 01, 2012, 01:27:55 PM »
Thanks, I was going to respond, but I thought why bother, Muslims aren't too bright and if it was just Muslims who were killing each other and no-one else, we would all be celebrating right, I mean a dead Muslim is a good Muslim, one less suicide bomber to worry about.  But your right, they kill non muslims  indiscriminately for what can only be considered juvenile excuses "WAH! Wah! Someone insulted my Prophet, boo hoo!"  Fucking dickheads, I just wish they would grow up.

Dont dodge the question.

why arent you out there killing people if you think its ok?

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« Reply #409 on: November 01, 2012, 01:55:06 PM »
You are a Muslim and do not know the sword verse?   :o :o
Sura

9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

Maybe you can enlighten us about this verse if you know about it?

And maybe you can tell the readers about the treaty that was broken by the idol worshippers which led to the verse and the protection the idol worshippers where given by the muslims even after the verse was given.

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« Reply #410 on: November 01, 2012, 02:01:06 PM »
Maybe you can enlighten us about this verse if you know about it?

And maybe you can tell the readers about the treaty that was broken by the idol worshippers which led to the verse and the protection the idol worshippers where given by the muslims even after the verse was given.
Yes but that is not the point. The extremist use this verse as an excuse for violence. Also many Islamic people do not believe it was referring to that particular situation, they believe it was intended as a future universal law, I guess it is a matter of interpretation.

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« Reply #411 on: November 01, 2012, 02:11:34 PM »
So you're lying again. I guess you didn't expect me to quote a verse of the sword from Jesus?

As already illustrated it has to do with a treaty broken where Muslims were killed by the idolators even though there was a peace treaty. It's a long story but of course you wouldn't know or care about the details.

So you have no proof again. Keep trying.

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« Reply #412 on: November 01, 2012, 02:15:41 PM »
Lets see what the verses actually say:

Surah 9

1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Apostle, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:

2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.

3. And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Indeed Islam teaches us even in battle to escort people if they do not partake in fighting and want asylum. The same cannot be said about the bible which says:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

  "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


Where is your proof that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet, still waiting.

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« Reply #413 on: November 01, 2012, 02:20:48 PM »
Lets see what the verses actually say:

Surah 9

1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Apostle, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:

2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.

3. And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Indeed Islam teaches us even in battle to escort people if they do not partake in fighting and want asylum. The same cannot be said about the bible which says:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

  "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


Where is your proof that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet, still waiting.

Aren't these verses of the Koran describing a historical setting....an attack on Mecca and not necessarily a universal truth?  I can't imagine Surah 9:5 is  meant for Muslims of today...if that were true and we met in person you're commanded by Allah to cut my Christian head off if refused to convert to Islam, correct LOL?


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« Reply #414 on: November 01, 2012, 02:25:24 PM »
most muslims are gay cowards

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« Reply #415 on: November 01, 2012, 02:27:45 PM »
Lets see what the verses actually say:

Surah 9

1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Apostle, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:

2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.

3. And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.

5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Indeed Islam teaches us even in battle to escort people if they do not partake in fighting and want asylum. The same cannot be said about the bible which says:

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

  "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


Where is your proof that Muhammad (pbuh) is a false prophet, still waiting.
Thought that single verse from Ezekiel needed a touch of context....thx!!


Ezekiel 9
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The Slaughter of Idolaters
9 Then the Lord thundered, “Bring on the men appointed to punish the city! Tell them to bring their weapons with them!” 2 Six men soon appeared from the upper gate that faces north, each carrying a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man dressed in linen, who carried a writer’s case at his side. They all went into the Temple courtyard and stood beside the bronze altar.

3 Then the glory of the God of Israel rose up from between the cherubim, where it had rested, and moved to the entrance of the Temple. And the Lord called to the man dressed in linen who was carrying the writer’s case. 4 He said to him, “Walk through the streets of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of all who weep and sigh because of the detestable sins being committed in their city.”

5 Then I heard the Lord say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! 6 Kill them all—old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders.

7 “Defile the Temple!” the Lord commanded. “Fill its courtyards with corpses. Go!” So they went and began killing throughout the city.

8 While they were out killing, I was all alone. I fell face down on the ground and cried out, “O Sovereign Lord! Will your fury against Jerusalem wipe out everyone left in Israel?”

9 Then he said to me, “The sins of the people of Israel and Judah are very, very great. The entire land is full of murder; the city is filled with injustice. They are saying, ‘The Lord doesn’t see it! The Lord has abandoned the land!’ 10 So I will not spare them or have any pity on them. I will fully repay them for all they have done.”

11 Then the man in linen clothing, who carried the writer’s case, reported back and said, “I have done as you commanded.”


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« Reply #416 on: November 01, 2012, 02:36:02 PM »
So you're lying again. I guess you didn't expect me to quote a verse of the sword from Jesus?

As already illustrated it has to do with a treaty broken where Muslims were killed by the idolators even though there was a peace treaty. It's a long story but of course you wouldn't know or care about the details.

So you have no proof again. Keep trying.
Prove I am not a prophet, lol. You have to prove he is not the other way around



Aren't these verses of the Koran describing a historical setting....an attack on Mecca and not necessarily a universal truth?  I can't imagine Surah 9:5 is  meant for Muslims of today...if that were true and we met in person you're commanded by Allah to cut my Christian head off if refused to convert to Islam, correct LOL?

Of course, but so many Muslims feel it is universal.

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« Reply #417 on: November 01, 2012, 02:38:05 PM »
Aren't these verses of the Koran describing a historical setting....an attack on Mecca and not necessarily a universal truth?  I can't imagine Surah 9:5 is  meant for Muslims of today...if that were true and we met in person you're commanded by Allah to cut my Christian head off if refused to convert to Islam, correct LOL?



Obviously but onetimehard is either acting really ignorant to try to appease fellas like e-kul or as I have come to realize really desperate.

Allah (swt) commands us to protect Christians and Jews under an islamic caliphate and it was the historical norm. Not all Jews and Christians converted to Islam when Muhammad (pbuh) revealed the final message of Islam.

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« Reply #418 on: November 01, 2012, 02:39:51 PM »
Thought that single verse from Ezekiel needed a touch of context....thx!!


Ezekiel 9
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None the less, in Islam we are commanded to protect women and children, elderly, men who do not fight, cattle/live stock/ homes etc... while the contrast in the bible is kill and destroy everything and have no mercy. Those are not the only verses.

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« Reply #419 on: November 01, 2012, 02:42:28 PM »
Prove I am not a prophet, lol. You have to prove he is not the other way around




That's really easy. You lie, you have ulterior sinister motives as has already been demonstrated, you go against the message of the prophets and messengers, you preach pantheism, etc...

Muhammad (pbuh) is the seal of the prophets no true prophet of God will come after him. The only exception is the return of Jesus (pbuh) as the messiah which is again not a new prophet or messenger.

All the so called prophets and messiahs that have come forth after have been proven frauds and humiliated, exposed for being liars, making things up, doing things for worldly wealth, etc... etc...

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« Reply #420 on: November 01, 2012, 02:59:24 PM »
Muhammad is a lier and he had other motives too, he was war lord and his thirst for power was as big as Hitlers. lol at other frauds doing things for wealth, Muhammad was the richest of them all (false prophets that is)

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« Reply #421 on: November 01, 2012, 03:07:47 PM »
Muhammad is a lier and he had other motives too, he was war lord and his thirst for power was as big as Hitlers. lol at other frauds doing things for wealth, Muhammad was the richest of them all (false prophets that is)

You're a sad desperate liar. I feel sorry for you.

1. Muhammad was known as al-amin a title given to him by the arabs before ever preaching about the message of Islam. Al-amin means the most trustworthy. He was known as a person who would not lie so that when he preached about the message of Islam, certain people like yourself tried to call him a liar, madmen, sorceror, etc... and it backfired against them as they always knew him as someone who was trustworthy and would never lie. When they tried to do what you are doing, all the people questioned those throwing the accusations with ulterior motives. Indeed Muhammad (pbuh) was always the most trustworthy and would not lie.

2. Muhammad (pbuh) had no thirst for power or this world, he sacrificed himself for spreading the message of Islam even if it meant suffering. Countless examples can be given, where he was humiliated, beaten, even the 3 years of famine, where he lost his children, wife, etc... Even certain people throwing rocks at him, children being told to throw things at him to the point he was bleeding and bloody all over.

One story of a jewish woman. She used to throw garbage at him every morning, and throw slurs at him, but one morning when she did not appear, Muhammad (pbuh) inquired about her and found out she was not well, he went to her and came to her home to her surprise. She wondered why he was there, he asked her that he was concerned for her well being and was worried if she was okay. She cried and became Muslim, having known what she was doing to him all this time.

Addendum to the above Muhammad (pbuh) had little to no wealth, he gave it all to the cause of Islam. Muhammad (pbuh) before dying gave away few robes and left overs of whatever he had so he would die without anything in this life. All prophets (pbuh) leave nothing for their families. Their status as men of God does not give them the right to favour their family or whatever for this world. Our goal is the after life.

Muhammad (pbuh) said that the poor would enter heaven before the rich.

I truly feel sorry because you are poor in your soul onetimehard. Again no proof.

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« Reply #422 on: November 01, 2012, 03:19:23 PM »
You're a sad desperate liar. I feel sorry for you.

1. Muhammad was known as al-amin a title given to him by the arabs before ever preaching about the message of Islam. Al-amin means the most trustworthy. He was known as a person who would not lie so that when he preached about the message of Islam, certain people like yourself tried to call him a liar, madmen, sorceror, etc... and it backfired against them as they always knew him as someone who was trustworthy and would never lie. When they tried to do what you are doing, all the people questioned those throwing the accusations with ulterior motives. Indeed Muhammad (pbuh) was always the most trustworthy and would not lie.

2. Muhammad (pbuh) had no thirst for power or this world, he sacrificed himself for spreading the message of Islam even if it meant suffering. Countless examples can be given, where he was humiliated, beaten, even the 3 years of famine, where he lost his children, wife, etc... Even certain people throwing rocks at him, children being told to throw things at him to the point he was bleeding and bloody all over.

One story of a jewish woman. She used to throw garbage at him every morning, and throw slurs at him, but one morning when she did not appear, Muhammad (pbuh) inquired about her and found out she was not well, he went to her and came to her home to her surprise. She wondered why he was there, he asked her that he was concerned for her well being and was worried if she was okay. She cried and became Muslim, having known what she was doing to him all this time.

Addendum to the above Muhammad (pbuh) had little to no wealth, he gave it all to the cause of Islam. Muhammad (pbuh) before dying gave away few robes and left overs of whatever he had so he would die without anything in this life. All prophets (pbuh) leave nothing for their families. Their status as men of God does not give them the right to favour their family or whatever for this world. Our goal is the after life.

Muhammad (pbuh) said that the poor would enter heaven before the rich.

I truly feel sorry because you are poor in your soul onetimehard. Again no proof.

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« Reply #423 on: November 01, 2012, 03:43:03 PM »
Aren't these verses of the Koran describing a historical setting....an attack on Mecca and not necessarily a universal truth?  I can't imagine Surah 9:5 is  meant for Muslims of today...if that were true and we met in person you're commanded by Allah to cut my Christian head off if refused to convert to Islam, correct LOL?



Good points.The verses were only revealed, and i couldnt find any evidence that the idol worshippers were actually killed, the numbers killed etc.

The  veres doesnt give any right for a muslim to take the verse and use it for there own purposes.

Sometimes you may read something in the koran, and maybe later on you may find that verse has been overtaken or nulled by another verse.

for example, back in the days, the arabs and muslims use to drink alcohol, later on, they were forbidden to drink alcohol when they were praying.Then later on, islam forbade alcohol.

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« Reply #424 on: November 01, 2012, 03:45:20 PM »
Yes but that is not the point. The extremist use this verse as an excuse for violence. Also many Islamic people do not believe it was referring to that particular situation, they believe it was intended as a future universal law, I guess it is a matter of interpretation.
I do not beleive it is universal and dont use it as a excuse for violence