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« Reply #500 on: November 02, 2012, 03:32:56 PM »
It is the honest to God truth versus in the Bible do not kill people today, verses in the Koran cause enormous amounts of pain, chaos and violence, resulting in murder, end of discussion simple as that.

Not only were you proven a liar by not expressing the full context of what verses in the qur'an are. Even such as for example the verses always being superceded by accept peace, God does not love transgresors, escort people to safety, etc... or their context/setting.

You have also been a proven a hypocrite when shown with verses from the bible that call out for all out MERCILESS rape, massacres, brutal murders. Going oh oh oh oh but they were in response to what Babylonians did enslaving Jews.

Riiiiiiiiight! God tells Jews rape, murder and pillage everyone and everything.

And you claim Jesus is God and had a Jewish mother? lol

Weird kind of 'selective' truth you got here! Either you believe God is bipolar, forgetful and a liar or YOU and people such as yourself that have perverted God's message are bipolar, frauds and liars.

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« Reply #501 on: November 02, 2012, 03:36:15 PM »
Not only were you proven a liar by not expressing the full context of what verses in the qur'an are. Even such as for example the verses always being superceded by accept peace, God does not love transgresors, escort people to safety, etc...

You have also been a proven a hypocrite when shown with verses from the bible that call out for all out MERCILESS rape, massacres, brutal murders.
This is hardly the point here bro, if that verse means peace then it would still be a bad verse cause it's intended meaning is not being applied, people kill over that verse and that is the bottom line, so the true meaning counts for nothing if people are dying over it, once it again, wake up.

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« Reply #502 on: November 02, 2012, 03:38:31 PM »
Yeah and you're a non credible liar and a hypocrite. Why should anyone care what comes out of your mouth?

Everyone can read those verses in the bible and see nothing but merciless slaughter, rape and pillaging. After all the last one hundred years were caused by Christians and atheists not Muslims.


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« Reply #503 on: November 02, 2012, 03:46:31 PM »
I love it when numbers get super inflated, lol 100 million Natives, lmao The entire world population was only 300 000 million at the time, if that.

If anyone commits a crime it's a terrorist act, not just Muslims, so how can you throw something at me that agree with, that's how smart you,

 you throw America at me and I said they are horrible for what they did to Japan.

you throw that only Muslims are terrorist HS at me and I said no everyone is a terrorist not just Muslims, so keep throwing things at me that I agree with out of desperation, ding dong. ???  you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed  ;)

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« Reply #504 on: November 02, 2012, 03:53:39 PM »
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Native_Americans_and_Christianity

till their Priests and Ancients have their throats cut, there is no hope to bring them to conversion.”-John Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_Philippines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Philippines_(1521%E2%80%931898)

Philippines was Muslim, initially animist, then through trade with Muslims they accepted Islam and Islam became a majority until the "CHRISTIAN" conquistador from spain forcefully through the sword ripped them to pieces and converted them to catholicism.



You may be lying to people about these verses in the bible not being 'responsible' for hundreds of millions of deaths but they certainly are.

Whether its the spanish conquerors in philippines or whether its george w bush and obama

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« Reply #505 on: November 02, 2012, 03:57:08 PM »


Yeah very funny, a million dead people later

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« Reply #506 on: November 02, 2012, 04:02:12 PM »
Modern day examples:

Forced conversion of Muslims to Christianity in Australia.

Renouncing Islam Opens Australiaâs Asylum Doors

An Australian father and his son march in Sydney to highlight the plight of refugees in mandatory detention centers.

SYDNEY, March 21, 2005 In a precedent that could cause serious consequences, a group of 30 Iranian and Iraqi detainees in Australia who had their asylum claims rejected have won a review of their cases after some converted to Christianity.

A spokesman for Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone said Monday, March 21, the 30 boatpeople, most of them Muslims and some who have been in detention for more than three years, had won the review after some claimed to be converts about two weeks ago, reported Reuters.

The group had exhausted all buttessment and appeals procedures but would be able to begin the process afresh for a variety of circumstances including conversion to Christianity and changed conditions in their home country, the spokesman said.

He could not say how many had converted to Christianity but added that, in some cases, new information had also arisen about the dangers of them being returned to their homelands.

Muslim organizations in Australia estimate the number of Muslims in Australia at 350,000.

Outrage

Theres's no denominational or religious-specific clause in the administration of our immigration policy," Howard said.

The move drew swift angry reactions from the opposition and Muslim minority leaders who warned against reviewing asylum claims based on religion.

They said Australia's international reputation could suffer and other detainees might convert merely to stay in the country.

To see that Australia is actively encouraging Muslims to convert to another religion is something that we don't need to be stigmatized with, a Lebanese Muslim buttociation president Keysar Trad told reporters.

Muslims generally aren't known for using their religion for worldly advantage, but there will be some weak in faith who will see it as a way of getting a visa, he added.

Greens party senator Bob Brown, a staunch critic of the government's asylum seeker detention policy, said religion was only relevant if it was the reason detainees had been persecuted before arriving in Australia.

The rule here is humanity, not the religious belief of some of those poor people who are facing export to countries where they face punishment, he stressed.

Let's not underestimate persecution that occurs in different countries but I think that if the government makes a decision on the basis of religion, as opposed to having a process of compbuttion and expediency, there is a real danger in causing people to go down that pathway,ä leader of the Family First Party Peter Harris said on ABC radio.

But refugee advocate Marion Le downplayed fears of other Muslim detainees converting to Christianity to gain visas.

There's never been an idea that by becoming a Christian you will be allowed to stay. They would know by converting they are doing a very serious thing and that other people who are Muslims in the detention centers could turn against them,ä she said.

Howard Defends Move

Prime Minister John Howard, for his part, argued that Australia, which has a tough policy of automatic detention of asylum seekers who arrive illegally, was not discriminating in favor of Christians, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).

There's no denominational or religious-specific clause in the administration of our immigration policy,ä he told ABC radio.

Concerns about religious persecution can vary from one religion to another (and) are always factors in deciding how we deal with people,ä Howard said.

The idea that we would introduce something that is peculiar only to people who convert to Christianity -- that's not correct, he argued.

The Sydney Morning Herald said that these people, who have had their applications to stay rejected, could not be returned to their home countries for various reasons.

One detainee, Peter Qasim from Kashmir, has been in detention for more than six years but India will not take him back.

Australian immigration law calls for mandatory and unlimited detention of asylum seekers.

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« Reply #507 on: November 02, 2012, 04:13:00 PM »
First of all you not knowing the 'Sword verse" is like me teaching a grade two how to count, this is the most talked about, most popular verse, and most dominent verse on the planet, you can not go into battle without chanting this verse, no Muslim has ever engaged in battle without engraving this verse into their hearts. This verse is The is the engine to Muslim warfare.

Bro seriously? have you no knowledge on history? Nothing? Really?

 I don't have time to babysit you bro. Every single war Islam has engaged in have been in the name of that verse. Go read your history before every single battle that verse is read as the main key variable to fuel an army. Every single battle.

Here are a list of Wars from wiki, remember these are wars not battles, some wars have 100's of battle and every War chant is about the "Sword verse"

Contents  [hide]
1 History
1.1 Muhammad's campaigns
1.2 Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
1.3 Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651
1.4 Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–751
1.5 Conquest of Sindh: 664–712
1.6 Conquest of Hispania (711–718) and Septimania (719–720)
1.7 Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750
1.8 End of the Umayyad conquests: 718–750
1.9 Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606
1.10 Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902
1.11 Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360
1.12 Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299–1453
1.13 Further conquests: 1200–1800
1.14 Decline and collapse: 1800–1924

what evidence is there that the above battles were because of the "sword verse".

When i asked you before about the sword verse and how its being implemented, you come at me with quotes from 20th islamic figures. Then when you didnt have the answer there, then you post battles that happened a thousand of years ago.

No disrespect, but all your doing is finding verses in the koran, then finding islamic quotes by figures, then marrying the two, even though they have nothing to do with eachother.

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« Reply #508 on: November 02, 2012, 04:24:07 PM »
what evidence is there that the above battles were because of the "sword verse".

When i asked you before about the sword verse and how its being implemented, you come at me with quotes from 20th islamic figures. Then when you didnt have the answer there, then you post battles that happened a thousand of years ago.

No disrespect, but all your doing is finding verses in the koran, then finding islamic quotes by figures, then marrying the two, even though they have nothing to do with eachother.
No offence but your really need to study your roots, bro,. there are ton of historical documents of war lords chanting this verse going into battle. This verse is precisely the fuel that drove Islam into battle, any historian knows this, but I am not going to babysit you on everything i write so look it up yourself, a simple Google search will result in lots of Muslims stating that they will not rest until the world converts and reciting that verse as their motives.

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« Reply #509 on: November 02, 2012, 04:27:36 PM »
No offence but your really need to study your roots, bro,. there are ton of historical documents of war lords chanting this verse going into battle. This verse is precisely the fuel that drove Islam into battle, any historian knows this, but I am not going to babysit you on everything i write so look it up yourself, a simple Google search will result in lots of Muslims stating that they will not rest until the world converts and reciting that verse as their motives.

You have to study your roots, about how your family became criminals bro.

There are tons of historical documents on how your family massacred whole towns chanting JESUS IS MY SAVIOR when going into battle.

These verses enticing mercless rape, murder and pillaging are PRECISELY the fuel that is driving you and your family, alongside the wars in the middle-east that have cost millions upon millions of lives.

Any historian knows this even dr. google.

In the words of John smith a fellow Englishman and a Christian who came to 'save the savage native americans' with the beautiful peace loving christianity at the sword once said:

Untill their Priests and Ancients have their throats cut, there is no hope to bring them to conversion.”-John Smith

Omg throat cutting wow!

And John smith slaughtered monday, tuesday, wednsday, thursday, friday, saturday and then rested and washed his hands of blood until there was no more savage non christians

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« Reply #510 on: November 02, 2012, 04:29:42 PM »
Did you know you have alot more in common with native americans that you slaughtered than jews? In case you didn't know Native americans believed in pantheism just like you do!

It's strange you call native americans Indians! Who are hindus! Hindus ALSO have a lot more common with you than Jews! They are pantheists too! Did you know according to hindu scriptures thou shalt not make idols? And that there is only one creator even though they have 'millions of gods' and 'god' is in everything? Pantheism!

You should haleluya brothaa

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« Reply #511 on: November 02, 2012, 04:36:46 PM »
Lot of Christians killed in the name of Jesus, I am not denying this, at least I can admit cause I am not delusional and I don't fool myself like you do.

The difference is that they do not kill in the name of Jesus anymore, they are reformed unlike Islamic extremist who still kill in the name of Muhammad and the Koran. Still happening to this day.

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« Reply #512 on: November 02, 2012, 05:15:55 PM »
So you have to change your religion? I thought it was all from God even the rape, slaughter and pillaging?

Didn't you say the bible is the word of God, inspired by God and true?

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« Reply #513 on: November 02, 2012, 05:23:25 PM »
Did you know you have alot more in common with native americans that you slaughtered than jews? In case you didn't know Native americans believed in pantheism just like you do!

It's strange you call native americans Indians! Who are hindus! Hindus ALSO have a lot more common with you than Jews! They are pantheists too! Did you know according to hindu scriptures thou shalt not make idols? And that there is only one creator even though they have 'millions of gods' and 'god' is in everything? Pantheism!

You should haleluya brothaa
I did not call the Indians you fool, your post said "100 million Indians" I was repeating what it said

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« Reply #514 on: November 02, 2012, 05:25:03 PM »
So you have to change your religion? I thought it was all from God even the rape, slaughter and pillaging?

Didn't you say the bible is the word of God, inspired by God and true?
God does not instruct people to rape

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« Reply #515 on: November 02, 2012, 05:38:33 PM »
God does not instruct people to rape

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
 
    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.  So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."
 
    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'"  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Judges 21:10-24 NLT

lol at please be understanding WOW God's chosen people. I guess I can understand why the palestinians are so oppressed in Palestine I mean 'israel'

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« Reply #516 on: November 02, 2012, 05:42:33 PM »
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB

I thought this was entirely 'inspired by God'.

I guess you don't read the bible or you lie. It's hilarious when christian islamophobes say Islam 'copied' the bible LOL... the bible and quran are NOTHING alike!

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« Reply #517 on: November 02, 2012, 07:23:20 PM »
Pedro/E-kul/Pulling weight. You have some mental issues. Why are you living in Thailand if you are talking about me being a 'white boy canadian' mozzlem in Canada. Why are you in Thailand white boy? Your arguments are so flawed and riddled full of desperation and islamophobia nothing else.

Thailand was not what it is, it was thanks to the British that the Muslims lost their ability to rule themselves by what they believe not be oppressed by Thai buddhists. These Muslims are Malay and have no business with being ruled by budhists.

Burmese muslims are under oppressoin of budhists as well. I knew one muslimah who's whole family was killed and village burned, women raped, everyone executed, they tried to fight back but ultimately whoever escaped survived, from these budhist burmese.

Also a Muslim man may only marry another muslimah or a person belonging to "people of the book" (Jew and Christian) of which budhist is neither. I am sure you are nit picking examples of what is a 'good muslim' or 'bad muslim' as it suits you and not according to Islam. Although it may happen it is not suppose to happen. They even may perform rituals and beliefs that are completely foreign to Islamic teaching and even contrary to Islamic teachings such as animism. Just because you know what a 'halal' sign means it doesn't mean you know the first thing about Islam or Muslims. In fact if you hate Islam and Muslims so much why are you living in Muslim neighbourhoods as you claim. Maybe you should let your fellow neighbours know how you feel about Muhammad, Islam, etc...

Do you actually have a point Ahmed or have you forgotten what it was?

I live in Thailand because I like the lifestyle & the weather. A bit like the reason you live in Canadia and not Saudi - the lifestyle in Canadia is better because it's not run by Wahabis. You enjoy the freedoms this affords you & your wife. The weather there is better too, right?

In terms of Thailand - religion and politics does not have to mix. You have a tiny minority of uneducated terrorists in the south that want to be separate. They do not represent all muslims as is evidenced by voting patterns in the south. As I mentioned, we recently had a Muslim as PM and he'd also been head of the army. There's no oppression. It's religiously tolerant society but of course it becomes less tolerant when Muslims keep setting fire to schools.

What would happen if every religious group started shooting people because people of their religion was not running the country? You would have worldwide religious terrorism that would go on forever.

As for Myanmar - nothing at all to do with Thailand.

My neighbour still has a Buddhist wife. I have an invoice here from her Curtain company on my desk here and funnily enough her surname is "Ahmad". The fact that YOU don't like this doesn't mean her husband is any less Muslim. It just shows your general lack of tolerance.

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« Reply #518 on: November 02, 2012, 08:51:11 PM »
Death to infidels!

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« Reply #519 on: November 03, 2012, 01:58:53 PM »
It is pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the Islamofascist are the problem. They still perform clitorectamies, cover their women head to toe, engage in public stonings, and in general espouse a dark age philosophy...

Having said that, I don't care how you justify your snake oil religion. You can point out bible quotes are the actions of Christians which are equally deplorable...

But the underlying fact is--you are cultural enemies. Is has not to do with religious versus. You are insidious aliens, and God willing, you will be wiped out just as you were in Spain.
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« Reply #520 on: November 03, 2012, 06:23:21 PM »
Onetimehard you said verses in the bible that advocate honor killing of children, rape, murder and pillaging of people are 'old' yet you still include them in the bible and yet you say the WHOLE bible the ENTIRE bible is the 'inspired word of God'.

Well here's some of these verses in action live:



By the way even Jesus was angry at the pharisees Jews for following man made religion and not God's law. According to the new testament Jesus was angry that they did not follow the punishment of death for children who are disobedient.


lol the 'muslim problem' and the 'final solution' aaaah how it all sounds so familiar to I don't know almost a hundred years ago... some guy with a funny mustache.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-candidate-death-penalty-rebellious-children_n_1948490.html

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« Reply #521 on: November 03, 2012, 08:02:23 PM »
If you study your history, which you know very little of, you would know that every nation on the planet would kill men woman and children when they went to war, it was mandatory, if you did not your nation would be wiped off the face of the planet, read you history, wow like talking to a 4 year old.

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« Reply #522 on: November 03, 2012, 08:33:03 PM »
So you are saying God made it mandatory to rape, pillage and massacre according to the bible?

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« Reply #523 on: November 03, 2012, 08:44:33 PM »
Ahmed is such a wimp that he couldn't mold a western woman so he had to join a religion that provides a framework for him to be dominate in the relationship - without actually making it happen himself. Because without that framework, he would be dominated an controlled by his woman. His stress of maintaining dominance within the dynamic is alleviated by this framework, but his wife probably sees him for the weakling he is. And his stress will be very real as the public opinion continues to shift against islamofags. This guy is purely submissive - submissive to women and submissive to a foreign culture.

A real man would not submit to a foreign culture, but work within his own to improve things.
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« Reply #524 on: November 03, 2012, 08:48:23 PM »
So you are saying God made it mandatory to rape, pillage and massacre according to the bible?
You have got be the dumbest guy here, unbelievable how much brainless shit you spew. The Bible tells people to rape? you really have to scoop to that level bro.