BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump just released proof the President was once a...

[_bruce_]

Scam, soothing the common idiot.

[magikusar]

It will eventually be proven that Obama was not born in the US. Just a matter of when, really.

this

[tu_holmes]

My mother's ORIGINAL birth certificate from the State she was born in is not accepted by the Federal Government at this time.

She has to go get a paper reprint... It will look nothing like the one she had issued in the late 40s I'd wager.

This is the dumbest thing for people to worry about EVER.

[Obvious Gimmick]

Every thread should have at least 1 picture of bobby sly in it

[Straw Man]

Somali pirate.

LOL - I'm stealing this

[Straw Man]

Here is a Nordyke twin holding her copies she received. Looks nothing like Obama's document heh? And they were born on the same day and the same hospital (supposedly)

why does she look 30 years older than Obama

[quadzilla456]

you idiot that copy was made in 1966 not 2012.

Fak you fakking moron.

Sue Nordyke's birth certificate is on display, the largest and clearest image of it is in this Scribid file:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17772843/NBC-Nordyke-Birth-Certificate-Photos

Note that the document appears to be copied from a microfiche record, which explains the white text on black background. The embossed seal is barely visible.



The first arrow points to the outer edge of the seal, the second, shorter arrow points to a ring of text. Here is a closer, enhanced view of the seal.



The short arrow points to a ring of text, the two longer arrows point to indentations made by the ring of radial bars in the edge of the seal. If you get close to the display, and have myopia as I do, you can see that the paper has been stretched by the seal.

Obama's purported certificates are defective: they lack the state seal with which the real certificates are embossed. Both have been altered, which would invalidate the genuine document.

http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2011/05/obamination-birth-certificate-that-ain.html

[quadzilla456]

why does she look 30 years older than Obama

mulatto don't crack?

Neeson is 60 in this photo and 32 years older than this girl. But does he look that age? People age differently.

[DKlent]

Here is a Nordyke twin holding her copies she received. Looks nothing like Obama's document heh? And they were born on the same day and the same hospital (supposedly)

Dude...The same day? Same Year?

This woman is 51 years old???

 

[DKlent]

If you look at the large scan of the document you can make-out the seal. Scans don't produce a raised seal but you can make it out in this large photo on the bottom left.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

[quadzilla456]

Great and? That means that everyone must have an original because you and your wife do?


The document Obama showed and which has been publicly released has the appropriate stamp verifying it's authenticity. Officials from the Department have verified this fact on more than one occasion.


Hawaii discarded the actual paper records in 2001 and only has microfiche. The document is the reproduction not of the archived original copy, but of it's microfiche facsimile.


Yes, let's... HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! That is an original document that was issued 1961. You can't really compare that to Obama's document, which is a reproduction of the original data which the State of Hawaii has on file.


Hawaii discarded the actual paper records in 2001. I am unsure of how they store records, but I'd imagine that a large part of the older records (including ones from the '60s) are on microfiche, which was the standard storage method for such data. The document that Obama presented is the reproduction of the microfiched information and as close as you can possibly get to the original document that was submitted to the Department.


Do you know what you're looking at here? You're looking at a photostat of the microfiched data. The "seals" you see are not actual raised seals. They're only the lighting artifacts of the original raised seals, during the conversion of the original document to a negative on microfilm. Such indentations are much more clearly visible when viewing the negative of an image.  

Again, I will ask you - how do you explain the existence of newspapers from 1961 documenting Obama's birth?

The seal will be visible on a microfiche. So if there is no seal then I guess Hawaii  in fact does not have his birth certificate as well. You can't have it both ways. If there is missing information then they obviously did not offer up the original as they indicated. If you say they don't have the original then how can they prove he was born in that hospital??

[tommywishbone]

Look what I just found! Quick, call CNN.

[quadzilla456]

If you look at the large scan of the document you can make-out the seal. Scans don't produce a raised seal but you can make it out in this large photo on the bottom left.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Don't see it. I zoomed in all the way and it is not visible. Not even a trace.

[DKlent]

Don't see it. I zoomed in all the way and it is not visible. Not even a trace.

Look closely. You can see the circle. The middle of the circle is right below the "evidence for dalaed filing" and the outer side of it is right below the "V" for the signature of local registrar.

[quadzilla456]

Look closely. You can see the circle. The middle of the circle is right below the "evidence for dalaed filing" and the outer side of it is right below the "V" for the signature of local registrar.

No you can't. Look at the image above your post. Where is it?

[quadzilla456]

In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state, and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet. That birth certificate can be seen here (PDF): http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate.pdf



Observe that I have annotated the image to point out three defects.

1. The Certificate # has been obliterated.  Why would Obama obliterate it?  It discloses nothing, it serves only as confirmation.  A forgery could be discovered by revelation of a real certificate bearing the same number. Also, if the real certification of Obama's birth was revealed, and the numbers did not match, the forgery would be exposed.

2. The embossed seal of the State Health Department is not present. Only a few indecipherable characters, which appear to be inverted numbers, appear where it should be.

3. The document declares that it is invalidated by any alteration. That includes obliterating the serial number.

The White House blog hosts another image of the purported short form, without the watermark.



While this version lacks the embossed seal, there are some pixels showing through the redaction. Lets take a closer look.



If those last two digits are 12, and the form was real, then the recently released long form can't be, the numbers should match.



Do real birth certificates bear embossed seals?  Lets examine an example.



http://islamexposed.blogspot.com/2011/05/obamination-birth-certificate-that-ain.html

[quadzilla456]

[GoneAway]

Every thread should have at least 1 picture of bobby sly in it

Lest we forget...

[jwb]

The old lady is the mother of the twins who were born in 1961 use your brains people.

Quad, you cannot compare a copy made in 1966 (as clearly stated on the twins certificates) to one made in 2011 (Obama) since they obviously use different technologies to make the said copies.

Only a recent copy of a 1961 certificate from the same hospital would be a valid comparison. You ever hear of the scientific method?

[jwb]

If you look at the large scan of the document you can make-out the seal. Scans don't produce a raised seal but you can make it out in this large photo on the bottom left.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Ha, I can see it using iPad good work!

[Conker]

 

Again, I will ask you - how do you explain the existence of newspapers from 1961 documenting Obama's birth?

that's easy, NWO decided on obama's birth(IN KENYA!) that it would further their agenda if he were to one day become president. wheels were set in motion, strings were pulled, documents were invented etc etc...

hence the birth certificate and false newspaper reports of his Hawaii birth. quite simple really

[avxo]

Fak you fakking moron.

Sue Nordyke's birth certificate is on display, the largest and clearest image of it is in this Scribid file:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17772843/NBC-Nordyke-Birth-Certificate-Photos

Note that the document appears to be copied from a microfiche record, which explains the white text on black background. The embossed seal is barely visible.

It's a photostat of the microfiche. There's no embossed seal. There's only the light/shadow artifacts that the original seal created when the original document was photographed.

Obama's purported certificates are defective: they lack the state seal with which the real certificates are embossed. Both have been altered, which would invalidate the genuine document.

No. They don't "lack" the State seal. The best you can say is that the State seal isn't clearly visible in the digitized copy of the document. Of course the original seal isn't there in a modern reproduction of microfiche-archived facsimile of the original. That's why when the modern document is prepared it's stamped (and perhaps sealed) accordingly. Obama's long-form birth certificate includes the proper stamp, a fact that numerous officials from the Hawaii Depatment of Health have attested to.

[avxo]

If you look at the large scan of the document you can make-out the seal. Scans don't produce a raised seal but you can make it out in this large photo on the bottom left.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

You absolutely can. You are right.

[avxo]

The seal will be visible on a microfiche. So if there is no seal then I guess Hawaii  in fact does not have his birth certificate as well. You can't have it both ways. If there is missing information then they obviously did not offer up the original as they indicated. If you say they don't have the original then how can they prove he was born in that hospital??

How will the seal be "visible" on microfiche? Do you even know what microfiche is? It's a miniaturized negative. It's a 2-dimensional representation of a 3-dimensional object dumbass. At best what would be visible would be light/shadow variations caused by the raised paper during the conversion process. But the intensity of such variations would depend on a number of factors, including how well the seal was embossed in the original document to begin with. Therefore, any facsimile of the microfiche would not include a raised component. Just some shadowing, whose intensity would differ.

There's no missing information. Authorized representatives of the State of Hawaii have repeatedly stated that they have the necessary records, and they are satisfied as to their authenticity. Ultimately, their opinion on the subject carries more weight than yours, and either of the documents that Obama released are acceptable, under the law, as proof of his birth and citizenship.

[avxo]

No you can't. Look at the image above your post. Where is it?

Look at the image in full-size. Not shrunk down you dumbass.