if capitalism worked, everyone should be rich by now

[_bruce_]

I sincerely like Romney. His family values, his charitable giving and I really do think he actually cares about people. Someone said today that we not had a more charitable candidate than Romney, ever. Being someone who knows business, and I mean he REALLY knows business, could have turned this country around, economically fairly quick. In this situation we're in, we need someone with big business experience. Like I said a long time ago, my business is small but I took the precautions to "Obama proof" myself for the future. Yesterday I actually hired a business coach to help us grow to double of what we are now within a year.

I like Romney too, but there are many aspects of his that were off putting to the general derp and made voters hesitate to trust him when dunking the ballot.
I have  the feeling he was just a figure to keep the illusion alive that there's an actual battle. The real forces behind politics are extremely detrimental to the productive individual/community/state and no candidate can call them out unless they wish to be punished be it career or life wise.

[Irongrip400]

Problem is that you don't understand it. Principle of American capitalism is quite simple. There is two group of people. One group owns all the food, all places to work, all goods, etc. and another group do all the work. First group will keep all the prices so high, that your work is never enough to rise you from the working class to the upper class, for that you need some kind of lottery ticket etc. You have to invent something useful for example, like wireless electricity. If you can't, you will be in the working class all your life, no matter how hard you work. This is how American capitalism works. There is no matter if you have your own business or not, if you have to buy goods to sell them for your customers, you are still in the second hand, while first hand take most of the money. If you don't obey and be nice, they take your work, and outsource it to some third world country, and that's it. It isn't quite same anywhere in the world, USA has tweaked it up to the max.

Marxist rant  

[Coach is Back!]

You're more naive than I thought... I hope this picture makes you think.... seriously...



I posted once detailed graphs and charts all facts from US based websites and US gov websites, outlining all the spending on Israel and the many wars the US has started in the last ten years. It got deleted by resident clown Hugo Chavez the 'mod', but it showed where and how the money went.

You can't seriously expect this 'society' to flourish by destroying other nations, and indebting itself endlessly.

You can argue elephant this donkey that aaaallll day long, but you'll remain ignorant of what's going on thinking you're making a difference.

Whatever you say chief. Are these the same "charts" government or otherwise that Obama is using to post up those bullshit 7.8% UE numbers 2 weeks before the election? I have a friend (sons Godfather) who is the CEO of probably the biggest Auto insurance brokerage in the country. His company will be now forced to pay an ADDITIONAL $4mil in healthcare. Not only does he have to raise his costs to manage that, he also has to layoff employees from select areas around the country. I know you're going to come back with some bullshit excuse, but this reality.

[dr.chimps]

Whatever you say chief. Are these the same "charts" government or otherwise that Obama is using to post up those bullshit 7.8% UE numbers 2 weeks before the election? I have a friend (sons Godfather) who is the CEO of probably the biggest Auto insurance brokerage in the country. His company will be now forced to pay an ADDITIONAL $4mil in healthcare. Not only does he have to raise his costs to manage that, he also has to layoff employees from select areas around the country. I know you're going to come back with some bullshit excuse, but this reality.

The biggest auto insurance brokerage in the company in the country!?  Really? That would be in the 00's/billions of dollars. An additional $4 million would be a few phone calls to the CPA, and a few to to the various bankers.

[Coach is Back!]

The biggest auto insurance brokerage in the company in the country!?  Really? That would be in the 00's/billions of dollars. An additional $4 million would be a few phone calls to the CPA, and a few to to the various bankers.

I have no idea what the companies revenue is. Like most big businesses (as well as small) you have budgets. "a few to various bankers"? Why? to incur more debt?

[War-Horse]

Good gawd coach. Your still pullin stuff outta your ass like this......Your the mittny robme of getbig.

[dr.chimps]

I have no idea what the companies revenue is. Like most big businesses (as well as small) you have budgets. "a few to various bankers"? Why? to incur more debt?

No idea, eh? See, that's been the problem here, Coach - talking about stuff with no real clue as to the details. It makes everyone look foolish.

[avxo]

What I'm about to say I don't believe in, I'm just saying it because it's true and I know that it's part of the ultimate plan.  Socialism works when everyone is doing it...i.e. one world currency, one world government.  There is no debt...well for the government there isn't.

So you don't believe it, but you know that it's true? Wha.... The simple, indisputable fact is this: Socialism and Communism stem from the same root and have the same end goal - they just go about achieving it in different ways; and just like Communism, Socialism just doesn't work.

Being someone who knows business, and I mean he REALLY knows business, could have turned this country around, economically fairly quick.

I call BULLSHIT. Tell us how he would achieve this "fairly quick" turnaround? What powers are inherent to the Presidenc that would allow him to do this? What specific policies could have Romney himself have instituted to that end? But remember, the President can't pass laws and he doesn't control the purse... So with that in mind, let's hear it Coach.

Like I said a long time ago, my business is small but I took the precautions to "Obama proof" myself for the future. Yesterday I actually hired a business coach to help us grow to double of what we are now within a year.

Oooh, a business coach! I'm sure that will be money well-spent...

[Coach is Back!]

So you don't believe it, but you know that it's true? Wha.... The simple, indisputable fact is this: Socialism and Communism stem from the same root and have the same end goal - they just go about achieving it in different ways; and just like Communism, Socialism just doesn't work.


I call BULLSHIT. Tell us how he would achieve this "fairly quick" turnaround? What powers are inherent to the Presidenc that would allow him to do this? What specific policies could have Romney himself have instituted to that end? But remember, the President can't pass laws and he doesn't control the purse... So with that in mind, let's hear it Coach.


Oooh, a business coach! I'm sure that will be money well-spent...

We will see.

[avxo]

We will see.

You didn't answer me... what specific powers, inherent to the Presidency, could Romney have used to achieve this "fairly quick" turnaround that you know he could achieve? Come on, it should be an easy question to answer!

[LATS]

 Look even my socialist buddies think that Obama is disingenuous .. He wants the celebrity.. You get elected in america now based on what you can give those who deem themselves the "have nots"... He knew how to push those buttons .. He is a socialist at heart.. He knows that the young voters and minorities would turn out in droves.. They want something different..

 Look at the ww2 vets.. Came back and dug in and made something of themselves.. All my fathers friends were successful. Hard working.. And reeled the benefits.. People wanted to be like them ... Everyone wanted success.. It is measured different in everyone.. That mentality is gone.. Many want to bring down the "awful " rich people and level the playing field.. This will produce laziness and complacency ... It's human nature..

This election was not a referendum for Obama by any means.. He won with less of the vote than the first time.. The conservatives had their biggest showing with many independents siding with their point of view.. America is at a cross roads.. If these next 4 years are not successful the dems will have to shift more  to the middle..  But the sad part is the youth of today are so "entitled" in their opinions that I dont see much hope..

 They want what many of their grandfathers produced with none of the effort.. And if it wins votes then that's what they will give them..

[_bruce_]

Look even my socialist buddies think that Obama is disingenuous .. He wants the celebrity.. You get elected in america now based on what you can give those who deem themselves the "have nots"... He knew how to push those buttons .. He is a socialist at heart.. He knows that the young voters and minorities would turn out in droves.. They want something different..

 Look at the ww2 vets.. Came back and dug in and made something of themselves.. All my fathers friends were successful. Hard working.. And reeled the benefits.. People wanted to be like them ... Everyone wanted success.. It is measured different in everyone.. That mentality is gone.. Many want to bring down the "awful " rich people and level the playing field.. This will produce laziness and complacency ... It's human nature..

This election was not a referendum for Obama by any means.. He won with less of the vote than the first time.. The conservatives had their biggest showing with many independents siding with their point of view.. America is at a cross roads.. If these next 4 years are not successful the dems will have to shift more  to the middle..  But the sad part is the youth of today are so "entitled" in their opinions that I dont see much hope..

 They want what many of their grandfathers produced with none of the effort.. And if it wins votes then that's what they will give them..

Totally agree.
There's lots of scum out there keen on tearing anybody down who seems to have something or seems proud. There's a rude awaking at the gates as people have quite a clouded perception of life and how to excel at it.*
Luckily the pendulum swings in both ways.

*and I don't mean this is a monetary way

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Starting a business is just another arbitary economic trick as only 10 % of businesses make profit.

And if you're not from the right "bloodline", your idea will be ripped off if it's worth anything. Now that shit has gone global, it's only going to get worse.

[War-Horse]

I love the My grandpa stories, but times have changed. With internet and global banking everything is at our fingertips in seconds. Back then we were putting our resources (Income) back into the USA.  Nowadays all profits go to overseas accounts or hidden tax schemes.

We are destroying ourselves by giving our money to china thru wal-mart etc.  Most people are on a budget and want the cheapest items possible.  And why is it cheaper?....labor costs mostly. How do you compete to get your product on a shelf when your labor cost is 20 an hour and theres is 10 dollars a day??

But in the end we cant help it as employees we live on less and less as the CEO takes more and more. Were forced to do the wal-mart thing and build chinas economy by sending our money there.

Whats the answer?

[Wiggs]

I love the My grandpa stories, but times have changed. With internet and global banking everything is at our fingertips in seconds. Back then we were putting our resources (Income) back into the USA.  Nowadays all profits go to overseas accounts or hidden tax schemes.

We are destroying ourselves by giving our money to china thru wal-mart etc.  Most people are on a budget and want the cheapest items possible.  And why is it cheaper?....labor costs mostly. How do you compete to get your product on a shelf when your labor cost is 20 an hour and theres is 10 dollars a day??

But in the end we cant help it as employees we live on less and less as the CEO takes more and more. Were forced to do the wal-mart thing and build chinas economy by sending our money there.

Whats the answer?

Population control and reeducation camps.

[dr.chimps]

Look even my socialist buddies think that Obama is disingenuous .. He wants the celebrity.. You get elected in america now based on what you can give those who deem themselves the "have nots"... He knew how to push those buttons .. He is a socialist at heart.. He knows that the young voters and minorities would turn out in droves.. They want something different..

 Look at the ww2 vets.. Came back and dug in and made something of themselves.. All my fathers friends were successful. Hard working.. And reeled the benefits.. People wanted to be like them ... Everyone wanted success.. It is measured different in everyone.. That mentality is gone.. Many want to bring down the "awful " rich people and level the playing field.. This will produce laziness and complacency ... It's human nature..

This election was not a referendum for Obama by any means.. He won with less of the vote than the first time.. The conservatives had their biggest showing with many independents siding with their point of view.. America is at a cross roads.. If these next 4 years are not successful the dems will have to shift more  to the middle..  But the sad part is the youth of today are so "entitled" in their opinions that I dont see much hope..

 They want what many of their grandfathers produced with none of the effort.. And if it wins votes then that's what they will give them..

'He wants the celebrity!?' He's the farkin' President of the USA. I totally give up. People - use reason, please.  

[BILL ANVIL]

Capitalism only works ultimately for the rich or those who get the opportunity to  step over others.

If you analyze America or China (which is today capitalist), the rich are getting richer, while the poor poorer.

The whole monteary system, credit system, banking system is at fault too. Interest is one of the greatest evils in society.

A rich person with money can make money off of money. While a poor person who even once makes a loan from that rich person may become enslaved through interest and just become poorer and poorer no matter how much they struggle.

This is the reality of north america, europe and everywhere today.

well yeah capitalism is sociopathic in nature.

[_bruce_]

I love the My grandpa stories, but times have changed. With internet and global banking everything is at our fingertips in seconds. Back then we were putting our resources (Income) back into the USA.  Nowadays all profits go to overseas accounts or hidden tax schemes.

We are destroying ourselves by giving our money to china thru wal-mart etc.  Most people are on a budget and want the cheapest items possible.  And why is it cheaper?....labor costs mostly. How do you compete to get your product on a shelf when your labor cost is 20 an hour and theres is 10 dollars a day??

But in the end we cant help it as employees we live on less and less as the CEO takes more and more. Were forced to do the wal-mart thing and build chinas economy by sending our money there.

Whats the answer?

It's like a narrowing hallway where a ball is ricocheting from wall to wall - the less money you have the lower quality goods you buy etc. a beautiful self accelerating cycle.
Only option to avoid the meltdown - stop the cycle, all consumption of shit and only buy local goods for survival if possible and "regrow" your world.
This is hardly an option with a vast amount of primitive apes hypnotized by cheap thrills so keep your backpack ready to piss off in time to somewhere you feel safer.

[George Whorewell]

Capitalism is bullshit.  Why?  Because in order for it to work, there must always be someone rich and always someone poor.  It's true.  That's the way the system is set up.  Then you are sold some bullshit fucking dream 99% of people will never achieve.  The only good that comes of it is new products and technologies that inevitably become consumed by the oligarchs.

Does that mean we should go full commy or socialist?  No on both.  Does that mean we should get out of the business of capitalism?  In my perfect world yes. There are many other ideas but we're so used to this bullshit monetary system (not backed by gold or silver) just money printed from thin air, loaned to banks etc... 

As long as they keep sellin' you the dream and you keep buying, the wheel keeps spinnin'. 
When we're ready to make real, actual, change as in ditching the monetary system, count me in.

 

Sweet Jesus how many fucking retards like you live in the United States? Just over 50% at this point if I'm not mistaken. It's comical and frightening to witness how many delusional and misinformed people think they are "in the know" about economics and wealth creation. A word of advice: Go back to dumpster diving for maxi pads used by fat white women and stay away from internet forums where its possible that the discussion might veer toward math, money or economics.

Thanks a lot.

[George Whorewell]

Look even my socialist buddies think that Obama is disingenuous .. He wants the celebrity.. You get elected in america now based on what you can give those who deem themselves the "have nots"... He knew how to push those buttons .. He is a socialist at heart.. He knows that the young voters and minorities would turn out in droves.. They want something different..

 Look at the ww2 vets.. Came back and dug in and made something of themselves.. All my fathers friends were successful. Hard working.. And reeled the benefits.. People wanted to be like them ... Everyone wanted success.. It is measured different in everyone.. That mentality is gone.. Many want to bring down the "awful " rich people and level the playing field.. This will produce laziness and complacency ... It's human nature..

This election was not a referendum for Obama by any means.. He won with less of the vote than the first time.. The conservatives had their biggest showing with many independents siding with their point of view.. America is at a cross roads.. If these next 4 years are not successful the dems will have to shift more  to the middle..  But the sad part is the youth of today are so "entitled" in their opinions that I dont see much hope..

 They want what many of their grandfathers produced with none of the effort.. And if it wins votes then that's what they will give them..

QFT

[War-Horse]

Sweet Jesus how many fucking retards like you live in the United States? Just over 50% at this point if I'm not mistaken. It's comical and frightening to witness how many delusional and misinformed people think they are "in the know" about economics and wealth creation. A word of advice: Go back to dumpster diving for maxi pads used by fat white women and stay away from internet forums where its possible that the discussion might veer toward math, money or economics.

Thanks a lot.

WOW. You just said alot of Nothing.

[LATS]

Dr chimps.. Brutha ain't too hard to figure out.. He loves the prestige.. He loves going on  THE VIEW and letterman.. He loves the fund raisers with jay z.. With beyonce.. No real material interviews.. Just fluff.. For Pete sake the Pulitzer prize was given to him before he did anything.. Do you know how disrespectful that is too people that actually made a difference.. .? Some endured imprisonment .. There is a difference between being a figurehead by being president and then wanting to be "celebrity"..

[War-Horse]

Dr chimps.. Brutha ain't too hard to figure out.. He loves the prestige.. He loves going on  THE VIEW and letterman.. He loves the fund raisers with jay z.. With beyonce.. No real material interviews.. Just fluff.. For Pete sake the Pulitzer prize was given to him before he did anything.. Do you know how disrespectful that is too people that actually made a difference.. .? Some endured imprisonment .. There is a difference between being a figurehead by being president and then wanting to be "celebrity"..

Are you saying he's just been home break-dancing?   And yet all hell was breaking loose on him as he came into office? He's amazing then.

[dr.chimps]

Dr chimps.. Brutha ain't too hard to figure out.. He loves the prestige.. He loves going on  THE VIEW and letterman.. He loves the fund raisers with jay z.. With beyonce.. No real material interviews.. Just fluff.. For Pete sake the Pulitzer prize was given to him before he did anything.. Do you know how disrespectful that is too people that actually made a difference.. .? Some endured imprisonment .. There is a difference between being a figurehead by being president and then wanting to be "celebrity"..

Hmm. Such is the now presidency. And it was the Nobel Peace Prize he was awarded, not the Pulitzer - a prize of which he realized the premature and patronizing nature of at once  - so much so, that he donated the full monetary amount to charity. Stay in school, LATS. Read a book. 

[LATS]

It is amazing.. He ws a community organizer.. Then went senate for short time.. We first heard of him in 2004.. He accomplished little before running.. So yes, with Chicago machine behind him they got themin..I am fromthere so we all know how crocked Chicago politics are.. The worst inthe nation.. Yet he is just squeaky clean ? Please.. Like McCain said " hard to run against someone who basically has no record to run against" ..